Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: chrisgixer on 31 May 2015, 01:42:59
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Who are you, to decide the value of someone else's car?
....and who are you to post that you might think the car isn't worth x amount, on someone else's sale thread?
Serious question. ....?
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Eh ? :-\
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I think constructive advice is acceptable. General piss-taking is IMO is not.
That said, if the advert in question was written with an arrogant tone, and replies to asking it's age (quite important in a car sales advert) is retorted in a similarly arrogant fashion, free for all! ;D
Seriously - For Sale threads should be a no-go area for discussion, unless genuine questions about the vehicle are asked.
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Eh ? :-\
Let's say I'm selling my car for 3.5k and it will be in standard form. No gas. No Irmscher.
If you want those things on the car it will be 4.5k. That's what it's worth to me.
It's 03 125k on the clock, years ticket and tax.
And it's advertised on here. I'd guess that would be too expensive to some. Right?
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Chris, we all know this is not the place to sell an Omega.... I've sold one, and bought two from the forum, but if I wanted to buy or sell a properly sorted one, I'd be looking elsewhere.
We know the inherant problems, we know what they are 'worth'.
To answer your question directly, the chances of you getting 4.5k for your car, in it's present condition would be very slim..... you know that, I know that, everyone who has bought and sold a few Omega's know that.
Just because it has that value to you, doesn't mean for a split-second that anyone else would value it as such.
Please don't take that as an insult! ;D Look what 4.5k would buy you nowadays! :-\
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Chris, we all know this is not the place to sell an Omega.... I've sold one, and bought two from the forum, but if I wanted to buy or sell a properly sorted one, I'd be looking elsewhere.
We know the inherant problems, we know what they are 'worth'.
To answer your question directly, the chances of you getting 4.5k for your car, in it's present condition would be very slim..... you know that, I know that, everyone who has bought and sold a few Omega's know that.
Just because it has that value to you, doesn't mean for a split-second that anyone else would value it as such.
Please don't take that as an insult! ;D Look what 4.5k would buy you nowadays! :-\
Not one word of that would be the slightest business of yours though. I would invite you to make a sensible offer, consider it and politely refuse.
That way, we either agree a sale, or we don't.
There nothing more to it than that.
Don't take it personally, but I dint give a shit about opinion. It either sells, or it doesn't.
Keep your opinion to yourself as it will damage the chance of a sale. If your selling a car and someone comes round to view it, you might be hacked off if another 15 people turned up spouting on that it "ain't worth that much" mate.
It's no business of yours, how much anyone advertises their car for.
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It's funny, becaue as an Omega Community, pretty much every Omega offered on eBay, Gumtree et al are posted here for open criticism.
Now, I may be bit of a petrol head (with limited funds), but when I bought my first Omega, I trawled the likes of VxON and other Vauxhall forums to find out about that particular car and if it had been an 'owners' car. Latter purchases led me to OOF, and as such (even though I'm Omega-less) I still hang around in a dust corner of the forum.
I appreciate what you are saying, and to a quite large degree, I agree.... however, that's up to the vendor and ultimately the potential purchaser to decide what is and what isn't to be taken in and acted upon.
There are a million cars for sale, a handful of which are Omega's. Whilst doing a slight misjustice to the seller, all comments (positive or negative) are assisting the potential buyer.
There is always two sides to a coin.
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No, your devaluing the guys car. With no interest in buying.
Millions of others sales have out nout do with it. And the same goes for the eBay threads. It's just a public slagging. Although a lot more removed, an omega seller is still likely to see it here, as is a buyer.
Genuine interest questions are useful like mileage and age, mot etc. so is a reason for admin not to lock, but that is not the point here.
Who are you, to decide the value of someone else's car? It's their car, they set the value at which they sell. Ypu set the values at which you buy, or not.
On balance at this rate there's a good chance of locking sale ads I would guess.
How does that help anyone?
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For the record, my ONLY input in that thread was asking the age of the vehicle. I could have said a lot more, becuase the advert sounded arrogant and unpleasant. I am in the market for an Omega, and I want to pay top dollar for a top dollar car..... think RB territory. I was only half tampted anyway, as it's got a bloody big box on the back, and all Omega's should be saloon.
I digress.
You have asked for serious and honest answers in THIS thread, and I have given mine. I'll now jump off the soap-box as I'm sure early Sunday risers will be here to add their opinions too. :y
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Your also, arguably, de valuing your own omega, and everyone else's in the process.
In this hypothetical situation, obviously.
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Wrt ebay adverts, some are so misleading that to not comment on them would be unfair to potential buyers, especially as anyone looking for a keeper would most likely swing by here... :-\
That ultra rare Star Silver 2.6 Auto MV6 being a case in point... Hopefully somebody bought it, and hopefully they had their eyes open when they did so...
But the point is a valid one... Perhaps for sale ads should only be able to be edited by the Op or admins, with them automatically being locked after 24 hours... That way any questions etc could be asked via pm and if sold, then a quick pm to an Admin would see the thread nuked :-\
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As to your question. In my opinion I agree with you.
However a few years ago the same thing was happening, so a thread was posted (need to find it out) about keeping the Cars for Sale Area of the Forum just that, with only genuine questions about the Car to be posted in the Sellers thread. If for whatever reason people wanted to make comments about cars in the For Sale Area then simply open a thread in General Chat.
It helped the Admin to keep the area Clean and Tidy and for a Buyer not to read through a load of comments about something they maybe interested in.
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There you go Gixer... don't ever say I don't do anything for ya ;D
This is a Section from The Forum Guidlines, which is found in the Welcome Area :y
Posting in For Sale sections
Absolutely no links to your Ebay auctions, or Ebay auction numbers, or direct or indirect links to other places where it is advertised.
No posting for sale items in the 'wrong' areas to get around the postcount limits.
Currently you need to be an Intermediate Member (over 250 posts) to advertise your Omega or your Omega parts.
If you are a buyer, please ensure you are happy and confident with the seller before parting with money.
Sellers must provide an approximate price in their description. This is NOT an auction site, and certainly not a blind bid selling arena.
The For Sale sections are simply for that purpose. Confine posts in the thread to relevant and pertinant comments, please, such as to confirm mileage, trim, history and the like.
If you have a variety of parts to sell - Please list them all in one thread. Common sense and consideration for others is requested so that you do not hog the first couple of pages all to yourself and relegate the competition down the page listing.
If you are selling something quite rare/pricey/unique such as a full telematics setup, a CID, parking sensors, body kit, etc then by all means list in a separate post. Leather interiors, Bose shelves, panels etc etc are not 'rare' so confine them to your main post please.
Posts deemed not to meeting these criteria will be subject to deletion.
If you have a comment to make such as I would have bought it if it was blue/an estate/manual/satnav/friday/whatever, then do so by PM, NOT on the thread.
If you think the for sale ad is worthy of further discussion with the forum as a whole (if its a hound of a car or something very rare you want to share) then treat the sales thread like an E-Bay ad, Dealer add or a post it note in the local newsagents - give a discussion link in the general discussion area and DO NOT add such discussion to the sales thread itself. If the seller cannot or will not give a good description of their product, its their loss
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Just to add.... It is hardwork having to Police the Forum.. takes time and effort given freely for any of them...
My post count should be safe for a while. Right Jammie zip yourself up quick before anyone see's ;D
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Right Jammie zip yourself up quick before anyone see's ;D
I didn't feel a thing, sure you're finished? :P
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I have to say I personally am disappointed with some comments made about cars for sale, whether on here or by linking. Because a car is a certain specification or colour, the car is what it is and that's that. Criticism without evidence seems to be rife at the moment. I have said this before and I stand by my comments. Everyone sees something different, and my feelings are that the price you ask for your car is your business and yours alone. Others may not agree with your price, but at the end of the day,they don't have to buy it. Everyone has a price or limit to spend.
I'll be honest, I would have paid more for my car, but that is my choice and mine alone.
Again critising before even seeing the car is not on in my opinion.
Sorry to sound off, but events of late have touched a spot
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I have to say I personally am disappointed with some comments made about cars for sale, whether on here or by linking. Because a car is a certain specification or colour, the car is what it is and that's that. Criticism without evidence seems to be rife at the moment. I have said this before and I stand by my comments. Everyone sees something different, and my feelings are that the price you ask for your car is your business and yours alone. Others may not agree with your price, but at the end of the day,they don't have to buy it. Everyone has a price or limit to spend.
I'll be honest, I would have paid more for my car, but that is my choice and mine alone.
Again critising before even seeing the car is not on in my opinion.
Sorry to sound off, but events of late have touched a spot
Spot on that :(
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The big problem, as I see it, is this. Seller asks for £X. A potential buyer likes the car and is willing to pay £X but, by the time people have finished putting their tuppence worth in, buyer feels a bit silly and either pulls out of the sale or doesn't even bother to contact the seller.
When I bought my daewoo, and my snotmobile, I posted up the pics and details beforehand. I was, of course, greeted with howls of derision. This made not a jot of different to me, because I am, in the main, a person who makes his own decisions and then stands or falls by them. But I can see it would make a big difference to some folk.
If an eBay link is posted up and people genuinely want to save the potential buyer from himself, then that's fair enough. No one wants to see anyone taken for a mug. But when a fellow member puts his omega up for sale, then questions can be asked of him regarding things like mileage, service history etc., but unhelpful, pointless comments should be frowned upon. It can only upset the seller and, possibly, a potential buyer.
We all know our omegas, or should do by now, so, unless a potential buyer asks you by pm for your opinion........shut it.
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We have free speech in this country and if something is in the public domain than anybody can make a comment. What is obviously not acceptable are libelous comments and the person who has been libeled should ask for any comments of this nature to be corrected or withdrawn, either directly or through an admin.
At the end of the day buying and selling cars is a market and a deal is done, once the buyer and seller reach a price that is acceptable to both of them. If I claim a clapped out shed of an Omega is worth £20k as ones is this 'condition' are as rare as hens teeth and the potential buyer list the 101 faults and offers 50p it is unlikely we are going to find common ground for a deal. ::) ::) ::) ::)
We have seen a certain dealer offer Omegas well above normal prices, but they have been exceptionally good cars, immaculately presented and there must be a market for this as they seem to sell.
With cars offered on Ebay etc, we do seem to get many talk them down with comments along the line of; this wrong / that wrong, particularly on a car's specification, where all too often they are showing their ignorance, which is then corrected by a more knowledgeable member. However, it does tend to create a bad tone for the thread and leave a bad taste in some members mouths. IMO what would be more constructive would be to enquire if this or that was standard or an option or had it been fitted at a later date. :y :y :y :y
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We have free speech in this country and if something is in the public domain than anybody can make a comment. What is obviously not acceptable are libelous comments and the person who has been libeled should ask for any comments of this nature to be corrected or withdrawn, either directly or through an admin.
At the end of the day buying and selling cars is a market and a deal is done, once the buyer and seller reach a price that is acceptable to both of them. If I claim a clapped out shed of an Omega is worth £20k as ones is this 'condition' are as rare as hens teeth and the potential buyer list the 101 faults and offers 50p it is unlikely we are going to find common ground for a deal. ::) ::) ::) ::)
We have seen a certain dealer offer Omegas well above normal prices, but they have been exceptionally good cars, immaculately presented and there must be a market for this as they seem to sell.
With cars offered on Ebay etc, we do seem to get many talk them down with comments along the line of; this wrong / that wrong, particularly on a car's specification, where all too often they are showing their ignorance, which is then corrected by a more knowledgeable member. However, it does tend to create a bad tone for the thread and leave a bad taste in some members mouths. IMO what would be more constructive would be to enquire if this or that was standard or an option or had it been fitted at a later date. :y :y :y :y
Newbies should have nothing to say on the subject. ::)
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We have free speech in this country and if something is in the public domain than anybody can make a comment. What is obviously not acceptable are libelous comments and the person who has been libeled should ask for any comments of this nature to be corrected or withdrawn, either directly or through an admin.
At the end of the day buying and selling cars is a market and a deal is done, once the buyer and seller reach a price that is acceptable to both of them. If I claim a clapped out shed of an Omega is worth £20k as ones is this 'condition' are as rare as hens teeth and the potential buyer list the 101 faults and offers 50p it is unlikely we are going to find common ground for a deal. ::) ::) ::) ::)
We have seen a certain dealer offer Omegas well above normal prices, but they have been exceptionally good cars, immaculately presented and there must be a market for this as they seem to sell.
With cars offered on Ebay etc, we do seem to get many talk them down with comments along the line of; this wrong / that wrong, particularly on a car's specification, where all too often they are showing their ignorance, which is then corrected by a more knowledgeable member. However, it does tend to create a bad tone for the thread and leave a bad taste in some members mouths. IMO what would be more constructive would be to enquire if this or that was standard or an option or had it been fitted at a later date. :y :y :y :y
Newbies should have nothing to say on the subject. ::)
Say's he who is 500 posts overdue throwing his toys out and becoming one again. :P :P :P :P
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Upstart! ;D
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At what point does an ad become misleading?
Is it when the seller bangs on about a clearly standard car having nappa leather?
Or claiming it has full service history with nothing but spurious stamps in the service book and not a single receipt?
Or when the mileages of those spurious services simply doesn't ad up?
Or when the dealer said to have serviced the car has no record of ever seeing it?
Take Brians' old car... I drove that less than a fortnight before he sold it, and the only thing wrong with it was that it needed a new condesor and an aircon regas iirc... certainly didn't need a new diff, yet a month later (or less) there it was, back on ebay with a seller claiming x,y and z... all of which was utter rubbish... another seller later and the decription is marginally more accurate... but why fit reversing sensors (badly) but not address the one thing that's still broken... ::)
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Upstart! ;D
;D ;D ;D
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I would certainly not sell my cars on here,reason....because there's a whole world of sucker's out there on EGay....me being one of them. ::) Oh! and also you lot are all tight arses with deep pockets and short arms,would be another reason ::) :)
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Right Jammie zip yourself up quick before anyone see's ;D
I didn't feel a thing, sure you're finished? :P
I knew it, you admin lot ;D :P ;D
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At what point does an ad become misleading?
Is it when the seller bangs on about a clearly standard car having nappa leather?
Or claiming it has full service history with nothing but spurious stamps in the service book and not a single receipt?
Or when the mileages of those spurious services simply doesn't ad up?
Or when the dealer said to have serviced the car has no record of ever seeing it?
Take Brians' old car... I drove that less than a fortnight before he sold it, and the only thing wrong with it was that it needed a new condesor and an aircon regas iirc... certainly didn't need a new diff, yet a month later (or less) there it was, back on ebay with a seller claiming x,y and z... all of which was utter rubbish... another seller later and the decription is marginally more accurate... but why fit reversing sensors (badly) but not address the one thing that's still broken... ::)
In a sellers (or rather dealers) eyes, velour is plush velour, motorway miles equals Very leggy on the miles, Just arrived transpires it still has the auction barcode stuck to the windscreen and owned by an enthusiast should beg the question what's so wrong with it that the enthusiast wanted to get rid?
Nowt so strange as folk, buy a car, watch oil dripping underneath then go to Halfords and buy some LED sidelights ;D
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Your also, arguably, de valuing your own omega, and everyone else's in the process.
In this hypothetical situation, obviously.
Exactly. The main obstacle to Omega prices exceeding £2k is this forum. This is supposed to be an enthusiasts forum. If you go on a BMW enthusiasts forum for instance you won't get this attitude that is prevalent here of "that's worth naff all m8 lol" ::)
Especially when the vendor of said hypothetical vehicle has a low mileage car in way above average condition with most of the consumable parts replaced in the last year! ;)
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That said, if the advert in question was written with an arrogant tone, and replies to asking it's age (quite important in a car sales advert) is retorted in a similarly arrogant fashion, free for all! ;D
Had you not asked in a thoroughly condescending fashion...
Any idea how old it is, Flower? That's kinda important dontchafink?
...you would have received a much less "arrogant" retort my friend, as it was a sensible question in principal. :y
Personally the age would be of no relevance to me as it's clearly 2000 - 2003, and condition is key to the value rather than age. But I appreciate other opinions may vary.
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Arguably the age does have a bearing... Features fitted varied widely between 2000 and 2003... So although the car is clearly a facelift... When it left the factory makes a difference ::)
Less so with the estates, but even so...
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Wrt ebay adverts, some are so misleading that to not comment on them would be unfair to potential buyers, especially as anyone looking for a keeper would most likely swing by here... :-\
That ultra rare Star Silver 2.6 Auto MV6[/highlight] being a case in point... Hopefully somebody bought it, and hopefully they had their eyes open when they did so...
But the point is a valid one... Perhaps for sale ads should only be able to be edited by the Op or admins, with them automatically being locked after 24 hours... That way any questions etc could be asked via pm and if sold, then a quick pm to an Admin would see the thread nuked :-\
I have one of these 'ultra rare' cars.
On a 200 mile trip from Lincolnshire to Wales yesterday she averaged 30.3 MPG. :y
94,000 miles......new rear tyres.....doctor owner......£5500.......O.N.O. :)
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Cheap at half the price :D
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Wrt ebay adverts, some are so misleading that to not comment on them would be unfair to potential buyers, especially as anyone looking for a keeper would most likely swing by here... :-\
That ultra rare Star Silver 2.6 Auto MV6[/highlight] being a case in point... Hopefully somebody bought it, and hopefully they had their eyes open when they did so...
But the point is a valid one... Perhaps for sale ads should only be able to be edited by the Op or admins, with them automatically being locked after 24 hours... That way any questions etc could be asked via pm and if sold, then a quick pm to an Admin would see the thread nuked :-\
I have one of these 'ultra rare' cars.
On a 200 mile trip from Lincolnshire to Wales yesterday she averaged 30.3 MPG. :y
94,000 miles......new rear tyres.....doctor owner......£5500.......O.N.O. :)
Is £150 near enough?
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Wrt ebay adverts, some are so misleading that to not comment on them would be unfair to potential buyers, especially as anyone looking for a keeper would most likely swing by here... :-\
That ultra rare Star Silver 2.6 Auto MV6[/highlight] being a case in point... Hopefully somebody bought it, and hopefully they had their eyes open when they did so...
But the point is a valid one... Perhaps for sale ads should only be able to be edited by the Op or admins, with them automatically being locked after 24 hours... That way any questions etc could be asked via pm and if sold, then a quick pm to an Admin would see the thread nuked :-\
I have one of these 'ultra rare' cars.
On a 200 mile trip from Lincolnshire to Wales yesterday she averaged 30.3 MPG. :y
94,000 miles......new rear tyres.....doctor owner......£5500.......O.N.O. :)
Did that involve leaving your vast grounds at all M'lud? ::) ::) ::) ::)