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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 17:54:46

Title: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 17:54:46
PFL 2000 2.5 petrol manual CDX estate. I am striving to repair the driver's door strap. Have removed door card. It would help if I could close the driver's door window, but it doesn't work. Ignition on, engine running, the front door windows do nothing. They worked before. Fuse 7 is OK. What could it be?
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: RobG on 11 July 2015, 18:04:01
Fuse #1 ok?
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 18:34:17
Fuse #1 ok?
Yes, fuse 1 OK.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 July 2015, 19:24:56
Drivers door loom and window switch still connected... ::)
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: zirk on 11 July 2015, 19:32:32
To check voltage to the motors etc, do they wind up with the lock up procedure, ie lock car and hold down remote fob button or key in the door lock
 fully left and hold.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 19:44:42
Drivers door loom and window switch still connected... ::)
Seems to be. The courtesy light remained on until I removed it. I had disconnected the door mirror adjuster, but on reconnecting,  it adjusted the door mirror satisfactorily, with satisfying whirring noises.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 19:47:49
To check voltage to the motors etc, do they wind up with the lock up procedure, ie lock car and hold down remote fob button or key in the door lock
 fully left and hold.
NO they don't. However the driver's door locks and unlocks, inferring that the loom is connected OK.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 July 2015, 19:51:06
Drivers door open or closed? If open retry closed ;)
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: Jimbob on 11 July 2015, 20:04:21
Drivel removed.

Be helpful, not insulting, or shut up.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 20:24:00
Drivers door open or closed? If open retry closed ;)
Door was open. Closed door, tried again. Window still does not close.
Probably not relevant, but this morning I removed the scuttle, and it is still removed.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 July 2015, 21:04:20
Ok, recheck that everything is connected, shut all the doors and lock with the remote... Keep the lock button pressed and report back...
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 21:15:10
Ok, recheck that everything is connected, shut all the doors and lock with the remote... Keep the lock button pressed and report back...
Doors locked, window closed.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 July 2015, 21:36:55
Job jobbed then... ;)
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 11 July 2015, 21:50:48
Job jobbed then... ;)
Sadly no. Now I cannot open the windows.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 July 2015, 23:23:42
Job jobbed then... ;)
Sadly no. Now I cannot open the windows.
Bugger. Fix the check strap and then deal with thelectrics ;)
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: VXL V6 on 12 July 2015, 09:59:14
Worth popping the drivers door window switch panel out and reconnecting the plug?
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 12 July 2015, 11:22:12
Worth popping the drivers door window switch panel out and reconnecting the plug?
Thanks for suggestion. This a PFL Omega. There is no drivers door switch panel, all switches are in the car centre.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 12 July 2015, 11:30:00
Job jobbed then... ;)
Sadly no. Now I cannot open the windows.
Bugger. Fix the check strap and then deal with thelectrics ;)
My sentiments exactly.
This morning I fixed the check strap, and reassembled the door. Checked the windows, now they work!
I don't understand it, but never mind, there's lots I don't understand. My thanks to all for advice.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: Webby the Bear on 12 July 2015, 11:39:21
This is where having a power probe is a god send (currently learning how to use one properly)

You can search for power and ground and also supply power to components this verifying operation.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 12 July 2015, 17:47:07
Is the check strap the door grounding point :-\ thinking out loud...
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 12 July 2015, 17:56:46
Is the check strap the door grounding point :-\ thinking out loud...
I don't think so, especially with the plastic washer at body end it would not be a good choice. When the window finally did close on remote button held down it motored all right. I suppose there is an earth wire in the harness.
Yet there is a mystery why it did not work last night but it does today. Thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 12 July 2015, 18:57:19
Is the check strap the door grounding point :-\ thinking out loud...
Furthermore, until I replaced it there was no electrical connection via the check link.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: 05omegav6 on 12 July 2015, 19:00:19
If it happens again, it might be worth pulling the door off and checking the body loom carefully for evidence of breaks... :-\
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 12 July 2015, 20:54:01
If it happens again, it might be worth pulling the door off and checking the body loom carefully for evidence of breaks... :-\
Thanks, will do. I wonder if I somehow upset the central locking ECU by trying to raise the window with a door open, and it went into a sulky routine. I have had similar trouble if I open the boot of a locked Omega with the key. I hate these ECUs with memories. There are ways of resetting memories on radios and CD players, I expect there are on the car ECUs too, but they are not in the handbook.
Title: Re: cannot open or close windows
Post by: terry paget on 18 July 2015, 07:44:53
Just to add, after 300 miles of motoring the windows have nor failed again, so I still suspect some ECU problem. On a non Vx note, last night in the pub after tennis in Oxon, Chris Lowry said he could not stay, his Honda S1000 had a problem, he could not close the n/s window so car was insecure.