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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: terry paget on 13 July 2015, 21:00:25
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2.5 petrol PFL estate. The rubber strip that fits at the bottom of the screen that the scuttle edge goes underneath has come off the screen. I had 2 lads from Autoglass here Saturday making good a repair on a different car; I asked them to glue it back on again. They told me it's a push on, not a glue on job. Are they right? If not, what glue should I use?
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It just pushes on, but if dust and crap gets in the groove it will slip. You can remove it, clear the groove and refit. No glue is used on it. :y
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Its definitely a push on fit before screen is fitted. You should be able on some bottom trims to separate the hard plastic inner from the rubber outer. If you can do it and push hard inner back on glass then clip rubber outer back on a bit of lube between to help err insertion
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Terry, I believe you were at the Wycombe meet and may have seen me remove Terberts seal to clean it. It had slipped down off the screen but after cleaning the groove it seems to regain its grip on the screen. Bit fiddly weaving the end past the bonnet hinge for removal but is doable. :y
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Clip on, as they guys have said. No goo required. :y
Remove, clean, re fit.
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I can confirm, Terry, Alan did mine at Wycombe, and its still in place :y
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Also have a good look around for water damage under that seal. Coil PAC especially. As, obviously, the water will runs straight off the screen and into the engine bay.
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Was going to take loads of pictures today when the new screen was being fitted...
But thanks to those lovely chimps at Autowrongglass, you'll have to wait... ::)
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Another complaint for them is it taxi al?
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Another complaint for them is it taxi al?
As I pointed out to the fitter, the car clearly has a rainsensor, so obviously the last screen was the wrong one... but their ordering department had reordered the screen, after their initial cock up, based on what they previously fitted.
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Was going to take loads of pictures today when the new screen was being fitted...
But thanks to those lovely chimps at Autowrongglass, you'll have to wait... ::)
Would be interested to know if they fit new trims - I am still 'discussing' with them the fact that my trim now needs pushing back on every 50 miles.
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They should... although they hardly ever have any when the turn up... if indoubt, you can order the correct trims from Vauxhall and get Autoglass to refit the screen properly at no charge...
Apparently they fit every screen with a lifetime workmanship guarantee, so be worth reminding them of that when you next call :y
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When I get sent out to an omega I take a full set of trims just incase. They can be a pain to save and not worth the hassle
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They should... although they hardly ever have any when the turn up... if indoubt, you can order the correct trims from Vauxhall and get Autoglass to refit the screen properly at no charge...
Apparently they fit every screen with a lifetime workmanship guarantee, so be worth reminding them of that when you next call :y
That's good to know, my local VX told me they can only supply them with the screen!
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Idiots... They bloody well should though given the price of the genuine screens... ::)
The trims aren't cheap, but are separate items... Should be six parts:
Left side frame
Right side frame
Lower frame
Upper frame
Lower rubber
Upper rubber (both sides and top in a single piece)
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When I get sent out to an omega I take a full set of trims just incase. They can be a pain to save and not worth the hassle
Take it your not with Autoglass :-\
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£175 I can get a elite screen for. Not to bad got a full set of trims to
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£175 I can get a elite screen for. Not to bad got a full set of trims to
£350 odd for a genuine solar one... Plus trims, £65 or so iirc, (last bought some in 2011);
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£175 and its solar with rain sensor and a full set of trims that erm sort of fell into my van the last time a done a omega :-[ you waiting for rain sensor window AL so you can retro fit rain sensor?
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More concerned about getting this...
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y486/05omegav6/DSC_0178_zpskxrikvce.jpg)
...fixed tbh,
But the car has a rain sensor fitted, so it might as well have the correct screen fiited... Especially if that also fixes the four foot crack in the current one ::)
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Yep you have a massive crack there al. :y
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Was it a stone? Or a stress crack?
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Yep you have a massive crack there al. :y
Er, thanks, I think... but ffs don't tell Stemo, or he'll be wanting some :o ;D
Not sure tbh :-\ might have tweaked summat I shouldn't have whilst working in that corner of the engine bay, but equally could have been from the idiot box... I tend to have it kind of wedged between the dash and the A post :-[
It wasn't there when the tax ran out last July, but had appeared by September when I went to move the car to do some pre MoT work on it :'(
Fortunately it didn't spread from the initial vertical/fork until I started using the car, so wasn't an Mot issue after all, and where it's spread, it's about in line with the top of the bonnet from the drivers seat :y
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If it's from the corner it will be rust underneath on the base of the A pillar, if you've had the clips off to remove the scuttle and just nicked the edge of the screen with the screwdriver if can also start a crack :-X Or so I'm led to believe.
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Its definitely a push on fit before screen is fitted. You should be able on some bottom trims to separate the hard plastic inner from the rubber outer. If you can do it and push hard inner back on glass then clip rubber outer back on a bit of lube between to help err insertion
I'm learning a lot with this thread. I see the hard plastic bit and the rubber bit, but cannot see how to separate them. I can imagine the best solution would be to press the plastic strip on first, then clip the rubber onto it. Tonight i cleaned the groove and pushed it back on (assembled), but it does not seem secure. You infer seals differ ('on some bottom trims'). Should I persevere in trying to separate plastic and rubber sections?
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If it's from the corner it will be rust underneath on the base of the A pillar, if you've had the clips off to remove the scuttle and just nicked the edge of the screen with the screwdriver if can also start a crack :-X Or so I'm led to believe.
About 4" in from the corner on the bottom edge...
Terry, the lower frame is also clipped to the side frames, as is the upper frame on genuine trims... pattern frames only being two piece not four... The rubber finisher then slots into the frame, overlapping both the glass and the scuttle/bodywork.
If you still have your scrap shell, remove the screen trim (upper and lower) and the frame should then make a bit more sense ;)
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Some bottoms came in two pieces but I have seen a few cheaper makes coming in one piece.
http://www.partsbase.org/opel/omega-b-1994-2003-2-5-7-windscreen-moulding/
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Some bottoms came in two pieces but I have seen a few cheaper makes coming in one piece.
http://www.partsbase.org/opel/omega-b-1994-2003-2-5-7-windscreen-moulding/
The earlier two piece trim was superceeded by the four piece one :y
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Following Al's advice, I removed the scuttle and screen bottom trim from the Opel ('scrap shell'). Autoglass replaced the screen on this car last year, and I watched the man do it. I took no photos, but helped where invited, had the scuttle off when he arrived and put it back afterwards, sealing it thoroughly as OOF instruction.
The bottom trim is one piece rubber, and is attached to the screen with black adhesive; it's attached to the body too, with the same adhesive. Possibly he was generous with the adhesive and it got everywhere, but I see no harm in that.
Annoying thing is that I had 2 men from Autoglass here last Saturday to make good a screen replacement they had done on Jonny's 2.2 in May, the upper trim having come loose and flapping around. This car is now here awaiting head gasket replacement. I had the scuttle off the car with the loose screen bottom seal when they arrived, and asked them to glue it back in place. They said it was a push on.
They also said the upper seal was a push in job too, pushed it back in, agreed it looked insecure, so produced a giant tube of black adhesive and glued it in.
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If it's from the corner it will be rust underneath on the base of the A pillar, if you've had the clips off to remove the scuttle and just nicked the edge of the screen with the screwdriver if can also start a crack :-X Or so I'm led to believe.
I have that t-shirt, too :-[
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The bottom trim is one piece rubber, and is attached to the screen with black adhesive; it's attached to the body too, with the same adhesive. Possibly he was generous with the adhesive and it got everywhere, but I see no harm in that.
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I was going to suggest that this was an afterthought by the fitter, or something that he does off his own back, but then I came acoss this link.
Section 41 is of interest:
http://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/omega-b/c__body_equipment/glass_window_guides_window_winders/windscreen/repair_instructions/windscreen_remove_and_install_or_replace_f69_f35_with_bo-46974/
Definitely no adhesive on mine, or any other one that I've worked on. Was this something that was done only on early models. :-\
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That is the bead of Eurothane That is used to bond the glass into the aperture :y
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That is the bead of Eurothane That is used to bond the glass into the aperture :y
Oh yeh, I forgot about that. :-[ :y
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Thanks to YZ250 for the Vx workshop manual section on windscreen removal and fitting. I do not recall any of the winch or cutting wire use when Autoglass changed the screen on my Opel Omega last year.
I have failed to attach either the original lower seal or the lower seal removed from the Opel. I have replaced the original seal, but it is only held on by the scuttle. The car is useable, especially with the 'improved' coil pack location. It is not a good solution.
A new screen would solve the problem, but the screen is fine. I still reckon the cure is to glue seal to bottom of screen with an appropriate adhesive. Can anyone suggest one? Or is there another solution?
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Acquirebthe genuine frames and rubber and fit them accordingly... No glue required. Ever.
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Ok Here is How It goes :y
There are 3 ways of removing a front Laminated windscreen....(1)Kent Tool It out, (2)Wire it out.(3)use a electric Kent tool type of thing That the likes of autoglass used years ago.
If the glass is scrap and it can be kented out,That will be the way the fitter will do it,Thats always the quickest way.. :y
He will run round the screen with the tool below and if the bottom is tight he will chuck a dash gaurd (6"x 12" Ali)on your dash and long knife the bottom out.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/kent%20tool.jpg)
If the glass is known to be a bitch, IE (tight on the aperture) or If you are trying to save trims,Or if it is a remove & refit.It will need to be wired out.
Cheese wire will be poked through the Eurothane/Bond/Sealant At top middle of the screen & bottom middle of the screen (with like a 2 prong fine fork)Two handles will be put on the ends of the wire. And the fitter will stand at the side of the car and going left & right with his arms, cut half the screen out.Then he will move to the other side of the car and finish the job.
A dash gaurd may be needed and inner side trims removed (depends what car)
Remove & Refit
This is if it is a leaking screen and back filling is not a option OR if the screen is being removed from a breaker :y
For this you dont want it to go wrong cos you want that glass,,, So make it a two man job :y 1 in 1 out
Find what you think is the biggest gap in the Eurothane/Bond/Sealant, And carefully get your cheese wire through it with the wire tool.
Now working together you will slowly work your way around the glass, cutting through the bond until you get to the end when you will have the screen cut out.Go Slow..You want the glass..
Trims
These have nothing at all to do with the fitting/seal of a bonded screen, they are cosmetic to make it look pleasing to the eye..They are not a seal..There a trim :y
This is a general guide on how its done to most cars in general, And i myself have done thosands.
I may of missed something out & i may of spelt things wrong, but that is about how it is. :y
PS:- This does not apply to a maestro...Just sit in drivers seat and boot it out with the aperture. ;D ;D ;D
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That Spelling Above is Craep ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Big Time. That was fascinating, and explains a lot.
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I found a load of info on this on the OOF in relation to rainwater leaking through and onto the engine/plugwells.
I followed the instructions and the advice to fix the plastic strip seal onto the glass with "Gripfill" and simply snapped the rubber seal back on the top.
No further trouble since then - at least not with water ingress!!
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I found a load of info on this on the OOF in relation to rainwater leaking through and onto the engine/plugwells.
I followed the instructions and the advice to fix the plastic strip seal onto the glass with "Gripfill" and simply snapped the rubber seal back on the top.
No further trouble since then - at least not with water ingress!!
£2.33 for 360 mls, can't be bad. So you managed to sreparate plastic strip and rubber; well done. I have 3 strips here, though one seems to be just rubber. Thanks for the advice.
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Thanks to all for advice. Today I bought a tube of Gripfill, and stuck the seal to the screen bottom with it. Worked a treat. Replaced scuttle, job done.