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Title: Explosion
Post by: BazaJT on 13 August 2015, 19:59:56
Saw on the BBC news at 4a.m. this morning of a massive explosion in China.Reports were sketchy at that time but they said at least 17 dead and 30 odd firefighters were missing.More firefighters were on their way to the scene,but emergency services were hanging back a little as they weren't sure what kind of explosives/chemicals etc.they were facing.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: flyer 0712 on 13 August 2015, 20:21:50
Shouldnt think we will ever know the truth about that. :-X
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: STEMO on 13 August 2015, 21:27:04
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 August 2015, 21:30:13
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: STEMO on 13 August 2015, 21:31:51
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 August 2015, 22:10:40
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: STEMO on 13 August 2015, 22:15:09
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
So.......?
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 August 2015, 22:24:18
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
So.......?

So.......?  You say?  ::)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Vamps on 13 August 2015, 22:24:53
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
So.......?

No, not when I looked on google earth............ :D :D :y
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 13 August 2015, 22:25:48
Last time I saw an explosion like that, which registered on the Richter scale, was when the Ukraine army dropped a couple of shells, just as the Russian army were finishing the restock of an ammunition dump in Donetsk. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 August 2015, 22:28:36
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
So.......?

No, not when I looked on google earth............ :D :D :y

It's a submarine base.  ::)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Vamps on 13 August 2015, 22:29:38
It was an industrial chemical storage facility. We have them here, but with health and safety rules.

So they say....  ::)
What's that, Cem, a human fart gas processing plant you say?

There might be a naval base in Tianjin.  :-X
So.......?

No, not when I looked on google earth............ :D :D :y

It's a submarine base.  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: tidla on 13 August 2015, 22:46:16
Looked like a scene from "the terminator" movie.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 13 August 2015, 22:51:26
Torpedos can use H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) as a propellent. Is is a light, energy dense fuel that doesn't need an external oxygen supply. Great for propelling torpedoes at high speed for reasonable distances. However, it has a downside which is why the RN stopped using it in the 1950's after an accident and other Western navy's followed suit. If it leaks and comes into contact with copper, things get very interesting, very fast, as the Russians found out on their submarine Kursk. :o :o :o :o

The intense heat from a propellent fire in a training torpedo in the torpedo room then set off the explosive warheads in other torpedos stored in their racks, only a handful behind the much thicker nuclear containment bulkhead survived the subsequent explosion. :o :o :o :o

Not saying that is what happened here, but it might of done. ::) ::) ::) Where's Cem when you need a good conspiracy theory. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Kevin Wood on 13 August 2015, 22:52:15
Sounds like another Bhopal to me. :-\ Maybe all the cheap stuff from China does come at a price, after all? :(
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 August 2015, 23:14:00
Torpedos can use H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) as a propellent. Is is a light, energy dense fuel that doesn't need an external oxygen supply. Great for propelling torpedoes at high speed for reasonable distances. However, it has a downside which is why the RN stopped using it in the 1950's after an accident and other Western navy's followed suit. If it leaks and comes into contact with copper, things get very interesting, very fast, as the Russians found out on their submarine Kursk. :o :o :o :o

The intense heat from a propellent fire in a training torpedo in the torpedo room then set off the explosive warheads in other torpedos stored in their racks, only a handful behind the much thicker nuclear containment bulkhead survived the subsequent explosion. :o :o :o :o

Not saying that is what happened here, but it might of done. ::) ::) ::) Where's Cem when you need a good conspiracy theory. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

See?  8)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 14 August 2015, 09:35:20
Torpedos can use H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) as a propellent. Is is a light, energy dense fuel that doesn't need an external oxygen supply. Great for propelling torpedoes at high speed for reasonable distances. However, it has a downside which is why the RN stopped using it in the 1950's after an accident and other Western navy's followed suit. If it leaks and comes into contact with copper, things get very interesting, very fast, as the Russians found out on their submarine Kursk. :o :o :o :o

The intense heat from a propellent fire in a training torpedo in the torpedo room then set off the explosive warheads in other torpedos stored in their racks, only a handful behind the much thicker nuclear containment bulkhead survived the subsequent explosion. :o :o :o :o

Not saying that is what happened here, but it might of done. ::) ::) ::) Where's Cem when you need a good conspiracy theory. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D


As the old chemists' joke goes-

"two scientists walk into a scientists bar. The first asks the barman for a glass of H20. The second says I'll have a glass of H20 too. The second man dies"

I of course use the word 'joke' loosely here.  :y
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: plym ian on 14 August 2015, 10:14:01
Wow how far away are theses cars from the explosion :o :o


(http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae360/ianboniface/omega/DE3F1F50-4FC2-4759-A8D7-E3386ED3EFB3.png) (http://s987.photobucket.com/user/ianboniface/media/omega/DE3F1F50-4FC2-4759-A8D7-E3386ED3EFB3.png.html)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Varche on 14 August 2015, 11:45:30
I smiled at the official Chinese response. Those that were responsible will be dealt with severely.

There was a clip on Tv this morning atht showed a wrecked car being driven ! Under normal circumstances that would have been breaking about a zillion laws. I wonder when normality (if ever) will return for the thousands affected by the explosion. I bet the state won't do much to help.
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Post by: aaronjb on 14 August 2015, 12:09:44
I smiled at the official Chinese response. Those that were responsible will be dealt with severelydisappear quietly.
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Post by: STEMO on 14 August 2015, 13:35:08
Apparently, it wouldn't have been half as bad if the firefighters who initially attended hadn't squirted water on it.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: BazaJT on 14 August 2015, 17:54:56
The images they showed on the news yesterday morning were by someone filming the second explosion on their phone from an apartment,fireball looked huge and it took 8 seconds for blast wave to get to apartment block where they were filming from.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 14 August 2015, 19:42:57
I smiled at the official Chinese response. Those that were responsible will be dealt with severely.

There was a clip on Tv this morning atht showed a wrecked car being driven ! Under normal circumstances that would have been breaking about a zillion laws. I wonder when normality (if ever) will return for the thousands affected by the explosion. I bet the state won't do much to help.

That is official Chinese parlance for a bullet in the back of the head and your next of kin getting an invoice for the cost of the bullet. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 August 2015, 22:38:50
I smiled at the official Chinese response. Those that were responsible will be dealt with severely.

There was a clip on Tv this morning atht showed a wrecked car being driven ! Under normal circumstances that would have been breaking about a zillion laws. I wonder when normality (if ever) will return for the thousands affected by the explosion. I bet the state won't do much to help.

That is official Chinese parlance for a bullet in the back of the head and your next of kin getting an invoice for the cost of the bullet. :o :o :o

.. assuming they're not already in low earth orbit, of course.
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 15 August 2015, 23:59:39
Unconfirmed reports of 1400 dead and 700 missing. :'( From the size of the explosion that would not surprise me as there is not only the heat effect, but also the blast wave and that was followed by a toxic gas cloud. :( :( :( :(

Looking at a pollution map for China today and they have horrendous probems with an estimated 400 people dying a day from air pollution alone. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 16 August 2015, 00:11:18
Video of explosion from two blocks away, it is big, I mean BIG, I mean really BIG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q04fV4j7A1w&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q04fV4j7A1w&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 August 2015, 00:16:01
Video of explosion from two blocks away, it is big, I mean BIG, I mean really BIG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q04fV4j7A1w&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q04fV4j7A1w&feature=youtu.be)

Christ on a bike! :(
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: aaronjb on 16 August 2015, 00:21:18
There's something very wrong about the reactions on that video .. wetting themselves with excitement as people no doubt die in a most horrible manner.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199058/China-orders-evacuation-residents-two-mile-radius-Tianjin-blast-site-police-confirm-area-contaminated-deadly-CYANIDE.html

Yes I know the article is on the DM, no I can't be bothered to go and find a more reputable source. But just look at the first and second picture and realise the scale - those things that look like matchboxes scattered across the ground are shipping containers.

Then look at the size of the hole left in the ground...
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 August 2015, 05:07:49
That is truly awesome  :o

Just as you think one bang was quite impressive, the subsequent one is exponentially bigger...

It's a miracle that more people weren't killed, even if everyone missing is presumed dead :-\
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 16 August 2015, 18:54:23
People tend to think of explosions as what they see in Hollywood films, which use slow burning black powder and kerosene for the fireball. All very slow and contained for the simple reason to 'look good' while keeping safe all those working on the set. Whereas real explosive material is in a rather different league, especially modern explosives. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 20 August 2015, 00:53:10
Update on aftermath from the NYT

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/tianjin-one-week-after-the-deadly-chemical-explosions/?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0 (http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/tianjin-one-week-after-the-deadly-chemical-explosions/?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0)
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 August 2015, 18:08:48
There's been another explosion at a chemical plant in China.  ::)  This time at Zibo in Shandong Province.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34029202
Title: Re: Explosion
Post by: Rods2 on 22 August 2015, 23:46:07
Where there economy is in the middle of a hard landing, it makes you wonder if even more corners are being cut or [cem_conspiracy]they are after the insurance money where there company is bust[/cem_conspiracy]. ::) ::) ::) ::)