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Title: Insignia parking brake
Post by: terry paget on 16 August 2015, 19:03:16
About midnight last night my garage access was blocked by a guest's hired Insignia. He offered me the key to move it. I expected it to lack a prop shaft, but I also failed to find the hand brake. Feeling a fool, I had to enquire where the HB was. His wife pointed to a button. It seemed it was an electric arrangement. Gosh.

After googling here and there, I am still not clear how it works, how one performs a hill start, and whether it performs satisfactorily as an emergency brake. Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: tunnie on 16 August 2015, 19:36:04
Don't they operate the disc brakes on the rear, never allowing it to roll back unless In reverse?  :-\

Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 August 2015, 20:06:28
Yup... Simply drive off to release... Works either forwards or backwards and doesn't release until the revs reach a predetermined point. To reengage, simply lift button until the light stops flashing.

Not a bad set up once you're used to it :y
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Nick W on 16 August 2015, 20:29:04
Yup... Simply drive off to release... Works either forwards or backwards and doesn't release until the revs reach a predetermined point. To reengage, simply lift button until the light stops flashing.

Not a bad set up once you're used to it :y


Until it goes wrong. Then you'll realise that it's a bloody stupid idea that should have been laughed off the drawingboard.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 August 2015, 20:42:30
Fair dos, it's far better than tje set up on the Transhit, which only works to prevent roll back, and only for ten seconds ::)
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Nick W on 16 August 2015, 21:00:21
I should have been clearer: I meant electric handbrakes in general. If you know anyone who has a Passat or Discovery/RR Sport(they're the worst) ask them about them. Expect to have your knowledge of Anglo-Saxon improved.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 August 2015, 21:07:29
Like anything, they're fine when they work but shite when they don't!  ::)
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: btc on 16 August 2015, 21:29:53
Must be a pain if you broke down as a non runner and need recovery
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Crazycarzowner on 16 August 2015, 23:29:48
Discovery/RR Sport

Quite easy if you know the cheats to get them in service mode  :y
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 16 August 2015, 23:35:10
(https://d37nk263jfz2p8.cloudfront.net/image/1/700/0/uploads/articles/handbrake--553670e681c05.jpg)

 They might wan't to rethink that one  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: biggriffin on 17 August 2015, 11:02:11
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: STEMO on 17 August 2015, 11:04:34
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Gaffers on 17 August 2015, 11:12:51
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.

Not in Paris ::)
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 August 2015, 11:13:36
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.

Forty years. :o.......you really are an old fart. ;D
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: henryd on 17 August 2015, 11:30:51
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.

Not in Paris ::)

Yep,seen that in action,note to self,never park anything decent in Paris :o
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Shackeng on 17 August 2015, 13:04:51
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.

Not in Paris ::)

Yep,seen that in action,note to self,never park anything decent in Paris :o

Or Naples Italy! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: Andy B on 17 August 2015, 17:12:19
They all suffer from" I'm sure I left my car on the drive last night" "o look its rolled over the road and idioted, his car"

Park up put hand brake on discs/pads cool down car,rolls away ;D
Shite design.
Auto should always be left in park, manual should always be left in first. I've been doing it for forty odd years and never mislaid a car yet.

Not in Paris ::)

Yep,seen that in action,note to self,never park anything decent in Paris :o

Or Naples Italy! :o :o :o

or Spain  ::)
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: STEMO on 17 August 2015, 18:18:38
Works fine in Barnsley.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: TheBoy on 17 August 2015, 18:50:36
Not all Insignias with Electronic Parking Brake have Hill Start, so beware ;D

The system is nice to use, but a pain to fix. Still, easier to resolve issues than the poxy VAG setup.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: biggriffin on 17 August 2015, 20:13:42
Not all Insignias with Electronic Parking Brake have hill start, so beware ;D

The system is nice to use, but a pain to fix. Still, easier to resolve issues than the poxy VAG setup.
Isn't that part of the driving test, eg clutch control and handbrake at same time Co-ordination,I think its called :)
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: TheBoy on 18 August 2015, 18:13:09
Not all Insignias with Electronic Parking Brake have hill start, so beware ;D

The system is nice to use, but a pain to fix. Still, easier to resolve issues than the poxy VAG setup.
Isn't that part of the driving test, eg clutch control and handbrake at same time Co-ordination,I think its called :)
Exactly. But I supposed we have to pander to the incapable, incompitent and lazy.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: terry paget on 22 August 2015, 10:16:40
How do they work? Discussing it in the pub last night, we could not agree how they operated They could be solenoid, motor, hydraulic (using ABS pump) or pneumatic.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: TheBoy on 22 August 2015, 10:31:42
Motor and cable (per wheel) on most.
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: terry paget on 22 August 2015, 15:35:57
In the MOT test, does the tester simply lift the button and measure the retardation as on a mechanical HB test?
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: TheBoy on 22 August 2015, 18:41:29
In the MOT test, does the tester simply lift the button and measure the retardation as on a mechanical HB test?
yup
Title: Re: Insignia parking brake
Post by: henryd on 22 August 2015, 22:27:53
In the MOT test, does the tester simply lift the button and measure the retardation as on a mechanical HB test?
yup

Most of the leccy brakes give shit brake test readings as they lock up so quickly before the rollers can react, two locks is a pass though regardless of readings.