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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: SMD on 16 September 2015, 15:53:41
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A work colleagues friend is selling his 3.2 petrol Phaeton for a grand. It's on 03 plate, 105k in Black. He said its needs around £800 worth of work (2 × HT leads, can't remember what else). Worth a punt?
Going to take a look at it in the next few days or so. Does anyone of the big issues with these?
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I like the Phaeton.
The 3.2 litre engine will be hard worked though because the Phaeton weighs as much as the Titanic.
It really is a big and more importantly heavy car.
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According to Parker's even the 3.2 weighs in at a hefty 2239 KG.
It is a fully paid up member of the 'fat bastard' society. ::)
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Beautiful cars in my opinion and, I believe, the 6L W12's are basically Bentley Cont GTs.
As for the car in question.....
As I believe theyre chain driven would need to know it's oil history. Also worth getting quotes to see how much a chain replacement would be if it was ever needed as it would be a big job if theyre positioned at the back of the engine.
The 3.2 is petrol, right? no need to worry about DPFs etc :)
And I believe theyre individual coilpacks (could be wrong) so no leads. Cheap enough from ECP.
Go for it :)
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Phil (pscocoa) is your man, he owned one for donks.
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Got to be worth a punt at that price :o
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Human nature would say to me..."if he's selling it for a grand, and they're usually worth a lot more....why?"
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worth knowing what other work is needed.....
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Phil (pscocoa) is your man, he owned one for donks.
I have had 6 years trouble free, 60,000 miles. Only servicing and tyres - not even changed brake pads - this will be needed this year. I have the 3 litre diesel and despite car weight and permanent 4wd it is very quick and returns 37mpg on a run.
However - if something does go wrong it will not be cheap - for example if change pads and discs all round this year - VW price will be £1200. If I go indie - probably still £600 ish.
Divide that by 6 years and maybe not too bad.
The drive is fantastic.
If the OP can find an indie that can work on these then worth a punt. However, the suspension on the 2003 is the old air strut system for which parts are not available - he should quiz seller carefully as to any fault codes showing and whether suspension is ok.
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Human nature would say to me..."if he's selling it for a grand, and they're usually worth a lot more....why?"
I already asked myself that question. But it's worth a look at least because he is 10 minutes away.
If there are no replacement suspension parts available (not even pattern?) what happens when its needs replacing? Scrap the car? :o
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Human nature would say to me..."if he's selling it for a grand, and they're usually worth a lot more....why?"
I already asked myself that question. But it's worth a look at least because he is 10 minutes away.
If there are no replacement suspension parts available (not even pattern?) what happens when its needs replacing? Scrap the car? :o
It's only worth a look if you know what you're looking for, I certainly wouldn't be happy vetting a complicated machine such as that. Then there is the danger that you will see it, love and let your heart rule your head.
But, as has been said, it's a grand, so all you can lose is a grand......... :-\
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I agree.
I was thinking, if the overall condition of the car was good, I would consider/ask the owner if I can take it to a VW dealer and have them inspect it and read codes. Might cost me a couple of ££ but might be worth it I guess :-\
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Find a garage that does free code reading (my garage do this). if you take it to VW youll be bent over the proverbial barrel one would have thought :-\
Then if all is good and a LONG test drive produces no nasties, join the owners forum and see whats what about the apparent non replacement of suspension parts as cocoa mentioned
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£1000 may be negotiable. The owner may be keen to see the back of it.
You could always offer less and see the response.
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It's certainly worth a look, but tread very carefully. :y
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Phaeton-3-2-V6-auto-Stunning-Car-/262021094595?hash=item3d01ac9cc3
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Got to be worth that much surely even if it's just to break it an sell the parts if its a dud. :-\
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I've learnt a lesson from owning Omegas .....so unless you've got deep pockets and are prepared to have a contingency fund to fix those undeclared faults that might not become apparent until after you take ownership,as they may well just bite you in the backside financially when they are discovered. So yes a punt,but could be a money pit :-\
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Phil (pscocoa) is your man, he owned one for donks.
I have had 6 years trouble free, 60,000 miles. Only servicing and tyres - not even changed brake pads - this will be needed this year. I have the 3 litre diesel and despite car weight and permanent 4wd it is very quick and returns 37mpg on a run.
However - if something does go wrong it will not be cheap - for example if change pads and discs all round this year - VW price will be £1200. If I go indie - probably still £600 ish.
Divide that by 6 years and maybe not too bad.
The drive is fantastic.
If the OP can find an indie that can work on these then worth a punt. However, the suspension on the 2003 is the old air strut system for which parts are not available - he should quiz seller carefully as to any fault codes showing and whether suspension is ok.
Cluck me. 600 bucks for discs and pads :o
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Phil (pscocoa) is your man, he owned one for donks.
I have had 6 years trouble free, 60,000 miles. Only servicing and tyres - not even changed brake pads - this will be needed this year. I have the 3 litre diesel and despite car weight and permanent 4wd it is very quick and returns 37mpg on a run.
However - if something does go wrong it will not be cheap - for example if change pads and discs all round this year - VW price will be £1200. If I go indie - probably still £600 ish.
Divide that by 6 years and maybe not too bad.
The drive is fantastic.
If the OP can find an indie that can work on these then worth a punt. However, the suspension on the 2003 is the old air strut system for which parts are not available - he should quiz seller carefully as to any fault codes showing and whether suspension is ok.
Cluck me. 600 bucks for discs and pads :o
Must be mostly labor... Just looked on ECP the discs are not much more expensive than Omega ones if you DIY... :-\
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How can they be that difficult? Those prices are very reasonable.
Guess Phateon forums won't have as many DIY threads :(
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Human nature would say to me..."if he's selling it for a grand, and they're usually worth a lot more....why?"
I already asked myself that question. But it's worth a look at least because he is 10 minutes away.
If there are no replacement suspension parts available (not even pattern?) what happens when its needs replacing? Scrap the car? :o
Sell it to a mate for £1000 ;D
Seriously though "what man has made, man can make again" . If the cars are desirable enough someone somewhere is going to be refurbishing or remanufacturing the necessary parts :y
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How can they be that difficult? Those prices are very reasonable.
Guess Phateon forums won't have as many DIY threads :(
you need diagnostic tool to open callipers for pads replacement
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I have gone off the idea of this phaeton. The 3.2 petrol isn't really powerful enough for my liking. In 2 wheel mode its wrong wheel drive. The 0-60 for the FWD is 9s and the 4WD is 10s. In other words, its slower than webby 2.5 Omega! :-X
If I was to consider one in the future it would the the V8/V10 I think
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What's wrong with your 3.2? they are not a bad old bus and can certainly get you down the road as quick as you like.Also you have the vast array of technical info and experience of others at your finger tips on here.And on a personal basis I'm a bit reluctant to step outside of my comfort zone by buying an unknown quantity, and at over £100 an hour labour charges at local independent garages in this area I won't be selling my Omegas for a very long time...mind you,my 67th birthday is imminent so that could be sooner than I think ::) :)
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What's wrong with your 3.2?
Sold it last year sadly.
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Hang around.... coming soon, there might be three in an estate sale as SWMBO won't hang around getting rid, if I fall off the perch :'( :)
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Any of them saloons?
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How can they be that difficult? Those prices are very reasonable.
Guess Phateon forums won't have as many DIY threads :(
you need diagnostic tool to open callipers for pads replacement
Ahh. Well that's a nice method to keep people using dealers ;D
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How can they be that difficult? Those prices are very reasonable.
Guess Phateon forums won't have as many DIY threads :(
you need diagnostic tool to open callipers for pads replacement
Ahh. Well that's a nice method to keep people using dealers ;D
Most modern cars with leccy handbrakes need scan tool help to retract calipers.