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I have just seen a couple of kids outside my window playing with cap guns! That is not something I have seen since about the 1960s! In the 1950s it was common to see boys playing with them, but now in 2008, during all the stabbings and shootings we are witnessing, I am not sure this is a good thing at all. In fact I am sure it is NOT! :o :o
Are we not allowing our kids to glorify war and killing as in the past, and thus grooming our society for another war? Maybe that is what nature wants, as 60 billion humans on this planet is just too many? I don't like thinking about that, but nature does have a way of thinning populations in the human as well as animal kingdom. :( :( :( :'(
Maybe this is all too heavy for a sunny Sunday afternoon, but it certainly gets me thinking!! :o :o
What do you think? Would you let your kids play with toy guns? Where do you think we are all going from here on in? :-? :-?
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My caps guns, spud guns, Jhonny 7 Gun and Danial Boone Riffle. Didnt seem to be me any harm.
Would still like a powerfull air riffle for target shooring.
Carrying in public and using them properly are 2 two different things. But I think a lot depends on family upbringing.
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I have just seen a couple of kids outside my window playing with cap guns! That is not something I have seen since about the 1960s! In the 1950s it was common to see boys playing with them, but now in 2008, during all the stabbings and shootings we are witnessing, I am not sure this is a good thing at all. In fact I am sure it is NOT! :o :o
Are we not allowing our kids to glorify war and killing as in the past, and thus grooming our society for another war? Maybe that is what nature wants, as 60 billion humans on this planet is just too many? I don't like thinking about that, but nature does have a way of thinning populations in the human as well as animal kingdom. :( :( :( :'(
Maybe this is all too heavy for a sunny Sunday afternoon, but it certainly gets me thinking!! :o :o
What do you think? Would you let your kids play with toy guns? Where do you think we are all going from here on in? :-? :-?
That IS a lot Lizzie. ;D ;D
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I have just seen a couple of kids outside my window playing with cap guns! That is not something I have seen since about the 1960s! In the 1950s it was common to see boys playing with them, but now in 2008, during all the stabbings and shootings we are witnessing, I am not sure this is a good thing at all. In fact I am sure it is NOT! :o :o
Are we not allowing our kids to glorify war and killing as in the past, and thus grooming our society for another war? Maybe that is what nature wants, as 60 billion humans on this planet is just too many? I don't like thinking about that, but nature does have a way of thinning populations in the human as well as animal kingdom. :( :( :( :'(
Maybe this is all too heavy for a sunny Sunday afternoon, but it certainly gets me thinking!! :o :o
What do you think? Would you let your kids play with toy guns? Where do you think we are all going from here on in? :-? :-?
That IS a lot Lizzie. ;D ;D
Yes and they all require food, water and shelter, along with clean air to breath!
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I think you will find many adults who played with toy guns ( or even made them out of sticks) as kids didn't turn into warmongers -- and some of the warmongers weren't allowed to play with toys guns.
As skruntie says -- it's a lot to do with upbringing. And that is one aspect of family life that appears to have gone down the pan these days.
Just after I left full time education came the era of educational and moral freedom -- kids didn't have to attend classes if they didn't want to. Parents were first denied the right to discipline these kids. A clip around the ear from the local Bobby brought a lawsuit for assualt ( instead of, as in my day, another clip for deserving the first clip!!).
These kids are now the parents of today -- and their kids the unruly YOOF with no moral guidance or conscience
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Rachel's lad has had toy guns since he was a toddler, he's now thirteen & doesn't carry a knife or the like.
Being a farmers lad, I grew up around guns from a very early age & i've owned several. It was instilled in me to respect & to know how to use them. I personally don't see a problem with toy guns, we can't go around removing everything we don't like. As you said " you remember them from the 60's" has your generation grew up blowing people away? No
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I have just seen a couple of kids outside my window playing with cap guns! That is not something I have seen since about the 1960s! In the 1950s it was common to see boys playing with them, but now in 2008, during all the stabbings and shootings we are witnessing, I am not sure this is a good thing at all. In fact I am sure it is NOT! :o :o
Are we not allowing our kids to glorify war and killing as in the past, and thus grooming our society for another war? Maybe that is what nature wants, as 60 billion humans on this planet is just too many? I don't like thinking about that, but nature does have a way of thinning populations in the human as well as animal kingdom. :( :( :( :'(
Maybe this is all too heavy for a sunny Sunday afternoon, but it certainly gets me thinking!! :o :o
What do you think? Would you let your kids play with toy guns? Where do you think we are all going from here on in? :-? :-?
That IS a lot Lizzie. ;D ;D
Yes and they all require food, water and shelter, along with clean air to breath!
Maybe....6.5 billion ::)
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Get down to Moss Side you! :D
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Totally Agree, it's the idiots that use them with no respect for other people
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I think you will find many adults who played with toy guns ( or even made them out of sticks) as kids didn't turn into warmongers -- and some of the warmongers weren't allowed to play with toys guns.
As skruntie says -- it's a lot to do with upbringing. And that is one aspect of family life that appears to have gone down the pan these days.
Just after I left full time education came the era of educational and moral freedom -- kids didn't have to attend classes if they didn't want to. Parents were first denied the right to discipline these kids. A clip around the ear from the local Bobby brought a lawsuit for assualt ( instead of, as in my day, another clip for deserving the first clip!!).
These kids are now the parents of today -- and their kids the unruly YOOF with no moral guidance or conscience
How absolutely right you are Holy Count! :y :y :y
The question is how can we now reverse the social fibre of our country? :-/ :-/
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Get down to Moss Side you! :D
I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over
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Rachel's lad has had toy guns since he was a toddler, he's now thirteen & doesn't carry a knife or the like.
Being a farmers lad, I grew up around guns from a very early age & i've owned several. It was instilled in me to respect & to know how to use them. I personally don't see a problem with toy guns, we can't go around removing everything we don't like. As you said " you remember them from the 60's" has your generation grew up blowing people away? No
I know what you are saying, but we were a generation living in a society sickened by a recent World War, which had followed on all too closely with earlier carnage. We also held respect for the "officers" of law & order, and for the older, battle scarred generation.
It is now 63 years since a truely major war, with UK losses of upwards of 2000 in a day. Has the current generation, quite understandably, lost sight of the horrors of mass casualties and see shooting each other as just "a bit of fun" whilst advancing "the honour" of their clan / gang? :-/
All too many of them unfortunatly have been raised in households where discipline, respect, decency, and good manners has failed to exist for years. :(
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I played with all sorts of guns as a kid cap guns ,machine guns pistols and rifles etc etc.
It is just PC gone mad Lizzie.
By the way Lizzie,there was no video nasties in victorian England but plenty of grisly murders.
I put it down to human nature be it both good or bad. :y
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Get down to Moss Side you! :D
I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over
That is the problem Kris, you are right! Man, if not controlled, will take up arms if of the wrong frame of mind or trained to kill by the state. :(
Therefore without good political, state control, should we allow arms to be so readily available in our badly disciplined society? :-/
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Get down to Moss Side you! :D
I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over
That is the problem Kris, you are right! Man, if not controlled, will take up arms if of the wrong frame of mind or trained to kill by the state. :(
Therefore without good political, state control, should we allow arms to be so readily available in our badly disciplined society? :-/
exactly. it's about time man stood up and accepted the cosequences of his actions instead of blaming it on other things. the only thing that kills man is man. simple as that.
vehicles kill people per year than weapons do so should we ban all vehicles. it's never ending . what we need to do is start handing out prison sentences that are appropriate to the crime commited. but that will never happen.
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YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS
Get down to Moss Side you! :D
I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over
That is the problem Kris, you are right! Man, if not controlled, will take up arms if of the wrong frame of mind or trained to kill by the state. :(
Therefore without good political, state control, should we allow arms to be so readily available in our badly disciplined society? :-/
exactly. it's about time man stood up and accepted the cosequences of his actions instead of blaming it on other things. the only thing that kills man is man. simple as that.
vehicles kill people per year than weapons do so should we ban all vehicles. it's never ending . what we need to do is start handing out prison sentences that are appropriate to the crime commited. but that will never happen.
In Politics that is a word that should not be used, as eventually everything is possible given new policies and a Government that is not Labour, led by an elightened Prime Minister, who finally sees the need to give justice to the people instead of the criminal! :y :y
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As you say Lizzie kids have played with toy guns for years! Yes i will let my boys play with toy guns, they should be brought up with a respect for what they can do. I think it does more harm than good to make these things a taboo. In my experience this leads to curiosity and kids will experiment outside of your control which in some cases can lead to disastrous consequences.
We need to educate our kids not deprive them!
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As you say Lizzie kids have played with toy guns for years! Yes i will let my boys play with toy guns, they should be brought up with a respect for what they can do. I think it does more harm than good to make these things a taboo. In my experience this leads to curiosity and kids will experiment outside of your control which in some cases can lead to disastrous consequences.
We need to educate our kids not deprive them!
Very good point Ljay!! :y :y The question then is how to educate them effectively, especially those kids out there who have already 'slipped through the net'?
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When I was a kid my father was in Military hardward refurbishment, so i was brought up with guns, Not just Shotguns, but anything from an officers side arm (Webley revolvers and Browning 9mm's) to 25lbr ceremonial field guns, Bofars, 4.5 and 5.5 Howitzers and 105mm.
I was taught at a very early age what damage ALL guns, pellet / shotgun / firearms can do.
After joining the RE as a combat engineer, and having to use them for real just makes you think about what you are doing. I would not stop my kids from playing "Cowboys and Indians" or "Wars" But only in a secure enviroment. NOT out in the street like I did.
Carrying anything that looks like a "Gun" in the street nowdays is a very risky thing to do, with that state of the world as it is. Not saying that the Police are trigger happy at all, but even in training only a few weeks ago a Police Officer was shot by accident.
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Educate them and irresponsible parents with the barrel end of the gun!
Havent got the time or the inclination to spend worrying how to educate them. Need to concentrate on educating my own as no one else will!
Selfish i know but thats life!
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By sheer coincidence, i was reading this article last night:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/3/is-gun-control-behind-our-loss-of-civil-liberties.html
It's longish, but presents some very interesting views on gun control and violence.
What we need on our streets in zero-tolerance (the policy that managed to clean up NYC in a very short space of time), an expansion of stop-and search in troubled areas, and the introduction of realistic penalties for wrong-doers.
On toy guns, I personally believe that they neither encourage nor glorify killing. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd want my little 'un taking a toy gun into "Show and Tell" simply because I would not wish him to run foul of the PC brigade at the age of 3... ::)
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Educate them and irresponsible parents with the barrel end of the gun!
Havent got the time or the inclination to spend worrying how to educate them. Need to concentrate on educating my own as no one else will!
Selfish i know but thats life!
I disagree -- this is not selfish at all ---- this is what should be happening in every family. If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
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I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are :(
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.
Only my tuppence worth. :)
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I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are :(
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.
Only my tuppence worth. :)
But who allows these to be sold to YOOF's as alot of them are 18+
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I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are :(
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.
Only my tuppence worth. :)
But who allows these to be sold to YOOF's as alot of them are 18+
Would that be like alcohol and ciggies then ;D ;D ;D
Anyway get back to the chores and let the Mrs on.......... :y
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....... If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent? :-?
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....... If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent? :-?
That makes us 1/4 bad parent :( 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!! >:(
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.
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....... If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent? :-?
That makes us 1/4 bad parent :( 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!! >:(
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.
And Daughters......
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....... If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent? :-?
That makes us 1/4 bad parent :( 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!! >:(
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.
And Daughters......
She give no trouble, only future worry............... ::) ::) ::)
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lol, Have fun Mike ;D ;D
seriously tho.. My older step daughter gave no hassle what so ever.... The younger rebelled against everything. As it's been said "Same Home, Same Upbringing" Different Personalities.
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lol, Have fun Mike ;D ;D
seriously tho.. My older step daughter gave no hassle what so ever.... The younger rebelled against everything. As it's been said "Same Home, Same Upbringing" Different Personalities.
Sorry, missunderstood, tell you what, Step Parent, the hardest job in the world, I like kids but would never do it again, and we are not through it yet, our scroat is nearly 18 and has been a sh1te for the 10 years i have know him, if it was not for my daugher, just 8, I would have been long gone. >:(
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If I may just wade into this one:
I do not condone any type of violence unless you are defending yourself or someone else, nor do I think that everyone should carry arms in the way the NRA would like people in the States to, but I read an article once of which the jist was something like this......
...in Switzerland every able bodied male has to do a lifetime of national service giving up a few weekends a year for training. Each soldier is given a rifle and takes it home, and when they finish their service they get to keep the rifle. At weekends railway platforms are full of these men going off to training with their rifles.
In 1997 there were 13 firearms incidents in Switzerland, 12 were accidents.....
Now I beleive that is 12 accidents and one incident too many. However if you teach a youngster how to use a firearm in a safe, controlled environment they will have a healthy respect for firearms. Whereas if they get that exposure from someone somewhat dubiously maligned the attitude towards firearms in that individual will be completely different.
I know for a fact that all my soldiers and all the cadets I knew as a kid have a healthy respect for firearms and I doubt very much that any of them carry knives or use guns (except for their job :y)
Any other point for reflection: Ever since legally owned pistols were banned in the 90's gun crime has been increasing at a faster rate.......
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....... If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.
What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent? :-?
Which is why I said there wouldn't be half the problems ... recognising the fact that good parenting isn't the be all and end all ---- All kids are different