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Title: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 05 October 2015, 20:47:58
http://news.sky.com/story/1563947/hit-and-run-cop-killer-warned-well-find-you

What a terrible thing to happen to a person doing their job :( :(

Hopefully they will get their just desserts

Burglars turned murderers.

What is the world coming to  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: RobG on 05 October 2015, 21:06:51
Condolences to the family of the officer, but, were the police conducting a "high speed" pursuit
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 05 October 2015, 21:23:09
It does say in the article that they were being pursued by officers,

I do not understand the mentality of someone who would run down another person least of all a police officer even if they were only trying to evade a stinger

In my younger days I was well known to some of the local traffic officers and paid my dues when I was caught doing wrong but as much as I did not want to get caught I would never have run down / driven at an officer, maybe it's an age thing? (I was a late seventies / eighties boy racer)

Sounds like a decent chap, I hope his wife and kids get the support they need at this terrible time

Rest In Peace  P.C. David Phillips
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: tunnie on 05 October 2015, 22:11:45
He was trying to use a stinger, he/she mounted central curb and drove straight at him.   :'(

Bastards   >:(

RIP  :(

Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 05 October 2015, 22:50:50
Absolute scum. Sadly, if and when they are found, there'll be a million excuses and it will be let off lightly.

RIP, thoughts with his family and colleagues. Everyone who signs up, be they 7 stone of female or a me-sized rugby playing hard nut, knows the risk of violence is ever present - but using a vehicle is a whole different level.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: BazaJT on 06 October 2015, 18:16:56
That surely would be manslaughter minimum? I really do hope they catch those responsible.I wouldn't mind betting that someone else knows who the culprit is and should if they have any humanity come forward with the information,but I doubt they will.Condolences to family,friends and colleagues of the officer concerned.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 06 October 2015, 18:17:43
Two arrested earlier today.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: ted_one on 06 October 2015, 18:35:15
I bet they treat them with kid gloves because the limp wristed human rights lawyer will be along to advise them to answer all questions with the stock reply ''no comment'' Personally I'd plug them into the mains supply and reward them with jolt of volt as a reward every time they said it....it's  a good thing that I'm such a gentle Liberal soul....no pain ,no gain  ::)
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: BazaJT on 06 October 2015, 18:38:50
There may be something to be said from the days when I was growing up when people were arrested,taken to the cells and then began "helping police with their enquiries" ::)
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 06 October 2015, 18:39:58
There may be something to be said from the days when I was growing up when people were arrested,taken to the cells and then began "helping police with their enquiries" ::)
They weren't very good at negotiating stairs, were they? ;D
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 06 October 2015, 20:20:26
Wife & two children left behind lives devastated by scum who will demand their human rights once incarcerated , the two arrested are aged 18 & 30 hope they rot in hell.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 07 October 2015, 09:23:00
A murder enquiry was launched so we can only hope they don't get off with a lesser charge, I expect his colleagues and the general public would like them to feel the whole force of the law.

In my opinion it would be better if they simply ceased to exist
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 07 October 2015, 11:26:39
Just heard two females aged 19 & 34 arrested , probably assisting them  probably can't see any bad in them , typical robbers dogs I suspect.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: BazaJT on 07 October 2015, 18:22:39
Can only hope that proper justice will be done.I never understand how lawbreakers immediately claim their human rights[and get them] when they've not given a hoot about the human rights of their victims.To me in such circumstances their human rights should be forfeit.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Entwood on 07 October 2015, 18:27:10
Total of 6 people now arrested... 2 on suspicion of murder .. 4 for assisting an offender.

I wonder how they sleep at night ??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34462819
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 08 October 2015, 07:35:36
One man has been charged with his murder and several other offences, a second man has been charged with the lesser offences.

Really glad to see that the memorial fund set up by the police federation has raised over £79000 :y well on its way to its target of £100K and hopefully far beyond. No amount of money can bring him back but it is one less thing to worry about especially with two young daughters to bring up

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-charged-with-murder-of-pc-dave-phillips/ar-AAfdizw?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Terbs on 08 October 2015, 09:58:35
Wait now for the lawyers to get that charge reduced to causing death by dangerous driving for a guilty plea.  >:(
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: henryd on 09 October 2015, 10:28:27
I see that the accused turned up at court smiling for the camera's,plenty of remorse there then >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: KSR on 09 October 2015, 10:44:57


Bat to body.  repeat until gaining desired effect.  >:(
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 09 October 2015, 13:31:50
I see that the accused turned up at court smiling for the camera's,plenty of remorse there then >:( >:( >:(
.    This is just typical ,no doubt some other idiot will start a support page on social media.I am really beginning to despair of the society we live in
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 09 October 2015, 13:36:35
I see that the accused turned up at court smiling for the camera's,plenty of remorse there then >:( >:( >:(
.    This is just typical ,no doubt some other idiot will start a support page on social media.I am really beginning to despair of the society we live in

Scum breeds scum. No morals, no ambition, and anyone that says no to them is an arsehole. They are entitled...
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 05omegav6 on 09 October 2015, 13:42:56
I see that the accused turned up at court smiling for the camera's,plenty of remorse there then >:( >:( >:(
.    This is just typical ,no doubt some other idiot will start a support page on social media.I am really beginning to despair of the society we live in
If he's that much of cant then he should be released indefinitely into Police custody as a mop or football.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 05omegav6 on 09 October 2015, 13:44:28
I see that the accused turned up at court smiling for the camera's,plenty of remorse there then >:( >:( >:(
.    This is just typical ,no doubt some other idiot will start a support page on social media.I am really beginning to despair of the society we live in

Scum breeds scum. No morals, no ambition, and anyone that says no to them is an arsehole. They are entitled...
Entitled to what exactly? Apart from a slow and painful demise :-\
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Rods2 on 11 October 2015, 00:10:28
Personally, I fully support the correct professional procedures being followed to the letter as this is what separates us from 3rd rate, 3rd world dictatorships. They are innocent until proven guilty.

But once found guilty our prisons are far too soft and we should bring back 8 hours hard labour, 5 days a week, for many types of prisoners. I've heard making them build a sandbag wall by taking sandbags from one end and placing them at the double at the other is very rewarding for the prisoners and the guards 'encouraging' them. It makes the prisoners feel their life is not being wasted in jail, by seeing with all their daily hard effort the sandbag wall going round and round the exercise yard, by the day, month, year and decade. :y :y :y

A minimum amount of a minimum 'quality' must be build per day and week to receive any basic 'privileges'.

Reading about this WWII British 'Glasshouse' system even the most hostile, arrogant and badly behaved prisoners, 'realised' the 'benefits' of conforming especially as when they 'misbehaved', one of guards would 'accidentally' lean on the wall with his boot, so it had to be 'rebuilt' to count towards the daily and weekly quotas and you continued the day's work until that quota was fulfilled :y :y :y
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 11 October 2015, 08:35:01
With you entirely Rods. Beatings and torture aren't the way to treat anyone, if and when they get released they will only be angrier and set to do more damage.

Gentle training as you suggest, much more civilised and if anything more of a punishment as it requires effort on the part of the prisoner...
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2015, 09:12:22
We used to have a failsafe method to stop re-offending for murderers.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 October 2015, 11:27:10
We used to have a failsafe method to stop re-offending for murderers.

And then we became civilised.  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2015, 12:15:39
We used to have a failsafe method to stop re-offending for murderers.

And then we became civilised.  ::)  ;D
I'd like to see how civilised you felt towards someone who killed your mother/wife/kid.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 11 October 2015, 12:47:52
The death penalty may not be the ideal solution, although no one ever came back to murder again

More than can be said for killers given a life sentence only to be released and kill again
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 October 2015, 13:37:06
We used to have a failsafe method to stop re-offending for murderers.

And then we became civilised.  ::)  ;D
I'd like to see how civilised you felt towards someone who killed your mother/wife/kid.

Not very it's true, but that said I still wouldn't support the death penalty.

Life sentences should mean exactly that though.  No parole, no early release, no rights, just banged up in a bare cell for the rest of your days so you can sit there and comtemplate what you did wrong.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Ever Ready on 11 October 2015, 15:23:57
Well said Sir T

Life should mean life with no chance of parole, early release or any other shenanigans designed to let  people out who should remain incarcerated for the rest of their life
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 11 October 2015, 15:27:03
We used to have a failsafe method to stop re-offending for murderers.

And then we became civilised.  ::)  ;D
I'd like to see how civilised you felt towards someone who killed your mother/wife/kid.

If someone's on the run knowing that if caught, theyre facing a death sentence, then they have nothing to lose. The risk of them killing more people to keep their freedom is then higher. Doesn't stop people murdering in the USA...
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2015, 18:35:48
Just life meaning life might be a start, but that's too expensive.

Oh, and if everyone else is too civilised to pull the lever, I'll do it. :)
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 October 2015, 19:20:27
Just life meaning life might be a start, but that's too expensive.

Oh, and if everyone else is too civilised to pull the lever, I'll do it. :)

But there's the thing.  It's only expensive because we make it expensive.  A bare cell, with basic food dosn't have to cost much.  ;)

I bet those Penitentiaries in the US with the rows of cells with bars on the front don't cost much.  ::)
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 05omegav6 on 11 October 2015, 19:35:35
Just life meaning life might be a start, but that's too expensive.

Oh, and if everyone else is too civilised to pull the lever, I'll do it. :)

But there's the thing.  It's only expensive because we make it expensive.  A bare cell, with basic food dosn't have to cost much.  ;)

I bet those Penitentiaries in the US with the rows of cells with bars on the front don't cost much.  ::)
That's what you think... ::)

$47,102 in 2008/9...

According to... http://www.lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost

Against £36,808 per prison space in 2012/13

According to... http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=incarceration%20costs%20per%20inmate&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QFjABahUKEwjH7rPG-LrIAhWBPRQKHQhGB_M&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fuploads%2Fsystem%2Fuploads%2Fattachment_data%2Ffile%2F251272%2Fprison-costs-summary-12-13.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFFmjC2kHMvv5XqBjm4TOMy0gDcbg&bvm=bv.104819420,d.d24

Not much in it :-\
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 October 2015, 20:03:46
California is a 'Namby Pamby' state!  ::)   Texas does it for $21,390, Louisiana does it for $17,486 and Kentucky does it for $14,603!  :y

If you're gonna go to Jail in the States make sure its in New York where they'll spend $60,076 banging you up for a year!  ;)

Of course the costs of banging people up depend on the prison population as a whole, so California has a much larger prison population than Kentucky. 167276 Vs 21,347. 

http://www.vera.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/price-of-prisons-updated-version-021914.pdf  Page 10, all stats from 2010.

Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: STEMO on 11 October 2015, 20:47:07
Rope and timber from b&q, £47.50.
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: aaronjb on 12 October 2015, 08:38:57
California is a 'Namby Pamby' state!  ::)   Texas does it for $21,390, Louisiana does it for $17,486 and Kentucky does it for $14,603!  :y

If you're gonna go to Jail in the States make sure its in New York where they'll spend $60,076 banging you up for a year!  ;)

I suspect land prices have a lot to do with that variance, too..
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: 05omegav6 on 12 October 2015, 09:27:01
California is a 'Namby Pamby' state!  ::)   Texas does it for $21,390, Louisiana does it for $17,486 and Kentucky does it for $14,603!  :y

If you're gonna go to Jail in the States make sure its in New York where they'll spend $60,076 banging you up for a year!  ;)

I suspect land prices have a lot to do with that variance, too..
To quote Mr Loaf...

On March 6th, 1836 the walls of the Alamo fell
to the Mexican army. After a 12-day siege, the
troops of Santa Ana were victorious but too
exhausted to hold on and the Texans won the
war. It's further from El Paso to Texarkana,
then from New York to Chicago. And when it
joined the Union, Texas was the biggest state*.
Yeah, everything from Texas is big, larger than
life and none bigger than little Marvin Aday. So
big his daddy called him Meat Loaf. He grew
into a big man, with a big voice. And he sings
big songs and has big hits. You can try and
tear him down.

* Until Alaska was invented... ::)

Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 October 2015, 10:54:09
Economies of scale clearly don't apply when running US prisons.  :-\
Title: Re: Bloody disgrace
Post by: aaronjb on 12 October 2015, 11:05:25
* Until Alaska was invented... ::)

 ;D ;D

House prices out there (I look from time to time) are depressing - so cheap for what is effectively a mansion.. damn them. Anyhoo.. back to hangings and so on.