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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Toledodude1973 on 07 December 2015, 19:21:16
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Brake pad warning light briefly appeared on read out today so thought its time to change them. ::)
What make is best for 2.6 do they need to be genuine?
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Brake pad warning light briefly appeared on read out today so thought its time to change them. ::)
What make is best for 2.6 do they need to be genuine?
Pagid, genuine/TC or EBC Ultimax...
Probably in that order...
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I would just say, be careful where you buy from. 'Fake Britain' the other morning showed fake pads being imported. They lack a laser mark evidently. Brake stopping tests showed an inferiority in the stopping distance, amongst other problems :y
I cannot remember if it was faking a particular make, or not. IIRC, the car they used was a Mondeo.
Being offered for sale from the usual outlet !!!
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Thankyou ,Is it worth doing discs at same time or am i into big money?
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I hope on a facelift that light or message can only mean worn pads. On my 2000 2.5 it turned out to mean low brake fluid, in fact leaking clutch slave cylinder, seriously bad news.
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i'll check fluid Terry tomorrow, only flashed up then clear?
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Best budget option is TC pads or disc and pad kit if discs are required.
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Need TC for that, what money am i talking for say front and rear pads, then what price full set discs and pads from VX without TC, thank you for help
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Need TC for that, what money am i talking for say front and rear pads, then what price full set discs and pads from VX without TC, thank you for help
You could try Andy. I know he can't do delivery but worth a trip to collect?
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Good point LD he's helped me before :y
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For the price I wouldn't fit anything else. The TC pads are, however, a bit dusty.
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Recall DTM saying Pagid quality has gone down the crapper :(
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For the price I wouldn't fit anything else. The TC pads are, however, a bit dusty.
As are OE ones now as well :'(
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Recall DTM saying Pagid quality has gone down the crapper :(
Either that, or ECP sell fakes (which isn't beyond the realms of possibility, and wouldn't be the first time).
However, I suspect reality is that Pagid, like others, do good stuff and poor stuff, and the stuff you get through most places is the poor stuff.
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Both MrsGK and I tend to drive like we have eight seconds to save the planet, the MV6 has TC pads on and theyre more than good enough for us.
By Omega standards anyway....
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Both MrsGK and I tend to drive like we have eight seconds to save the planet, the MV6 has TC pads on and theyre more than good enough for us.
By Omega standards anyway....
Indeed, in the budget end, TC pads are by far the best. At £15 for fronts, why mess around?
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Both MrsGK and I tend to drive like we have eight seconds to save the planet, the MV6 has TC pads on and theyre more than good enough for us.
By Omega standards anyway....
Indeed, in the budget end, TC pads are by far the best. At £15 for fronts, why mess around?
Can't argue with that ;)
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surely if the pads are down to the sensor the light would stay on.
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surely if the pads are down to the sensor the light would stay on.
Yes, once the track on the sensor has worn through, it should stay on. A light that comes on when you press the pedal sounds to me more like it's fluid level, TBH. Actually, the brake wear sensors bring up a message on the MID, not the light on the instrument panel. (on my facelift, at any rate)
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surely if the pads are down to the sensor the light would stay on.
Yes, once the track on the sensor has worn through, it should stay on. A light that comes on when you press the pedal sounds to me more like it's fluid level, TBH. Actually, the brake wear sensors bring up a message on the MID, not the light on the instrument panel. (on my facelift, at any rate)
GLS put a light on for pads, anything else should pop a message up. :-\
Could simply be that all the pads are getting low rather than the sign of a significant issue :y My mk2 Granada used to put the fluid light on before the pad warning, which rather defeated the purpose ;D
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As others say, there will be a message on MID if it`s the pads that are worn.
As for the pads themselves my vote is for OE, not cheap but worth the money IMHO.
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As others say, there will be a message on MID if it`s the pads that are worn.
As for the pads themselves my vote is for OE, not cheap but worth the money IMHO.
I use OE on one Omega and TC on the other.
As OE are now quite dusty (like TC ones), I'd say the biggest advantage is that they bite better when the car has been left for a day unused, whereas TC ones appear to need to be used gently first before they have any bite.
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I've got TC on mine and would probably say the same. I feel there's a definite increase in braking efficiency/feel after they've 'warmed up' :)
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Is TC trade club and OE original equipment? If so I am confused.
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Is TC trade club and OE original equipment? If so I am confused.
Yes. And why confused? The OE pads are what was fitted in the factory. The TC are a slightly cheaper GM alternative. :y
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I think the logic is if you make the (TC) 'decent-enough' pads cheap then there's no excuse for anyone not having gm pads fitted. Just acquired a set of the genuines, too (part number 9195077) so whenever I get to fit them, we'll see how they perform on the old girl. Got TC ones with barely 6k on them currently and personally very happy with them, but know a few have said you can tell the difference, so we shall see :)
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Thanks for the clarification I didnt realise that GM supplied two types.
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trw disks and pads been good for me. £8.50 for the pads £17.50 for the disks. plus £5 for a can of hi temp spray paint for the edges.
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Thanks for the clarification I didnt realise that GM supplied two types.
Nor did I until relatively recently. It's something worth keeping your eye out for, actually, as almost all the time Omega GM pads for sale are the TC ones, and rarely any £ difference from just getting them from Main Dealer.. but every now and then the higher-grade ones will slip through. Got mine for £20 :y
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confusing isnt it GM obviously dont manufacture pads I wonder where they come from and how do you tell the difference between TC and OE.
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Also meant to ask who are trw?
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Reasonably easily tell the TC apart from the OE ones...
TC are marked 9192124 and RRP £28.00 + VAT - approx £15 on TC
OE are marked 9195077 RRP £91.50 + VAT
As said, the OEs are reputed to give a better bite and emit less dust. Both carry provision for brake pad wear sensors. :)
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trw disks and pads been good for me. £8.50 for the pads £17.50 for the disks. plus £5 for a can of hi temp spray paint for the edges.
That's very cheap! I suspect I would have heat dispersion issues and brake fade with my driving style (never found cheap disks to be any good on any vehicle) but if they work for you... :y
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confusing isnt it GM obviously dont manufacture pads I wonder where they come from and how do you tell the difference between TC and OE.
Part number and price :y
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I've used Mintex discs and pads for years, not only on my Omegas but also on more modern cars. They fit well, have a good bite /feel, come with anti squeal compound /shims and if necessary fixing bolts as standard. Last set I got for the 3.2 cost a total of approx £60. Worth every penny IMHO.
Incidentally, TRW are an American firm that specialise in OEM quality products including brakes. Used their discs and pads previously on other cars with no issues.
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Also meant to ask who are trw?
www.trwaftermarket.com (http://www.trwaftermarket.com)
'built the wooden wheels for the first model T Ford in 1908 '
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Good quality discs have a higher carbon content in the steel, cheaper discs use recycled steel,
If your car is stood for day how rusty do disc's get. Higher carbon less surface rust. :y
Trade club pads and pagid discs on mine. No problems.
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I've used Mintex discs and pads for years
Known to be problematic on Omegas if pushed hard.
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Got TC ones with barely 6k on them
TB is jealous. Or DBG clearly isn't trying hard enough.
I find beyond 5k, they are over half worn, and you start to get fade after a few big stops in quick succession.
That will impact any Omega pad (actually any pad on any car - its just the Omega is heavy with an "adequate" pad size), as heat dissipation seems to fall off as the pad wears.
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Got TC ones with barely 6k on them
TB is jealous. Or DBG clearly isn't trying hard enough.
I find beyond 5k, they are over half worn, and you start to get fade after a few big stops in quick succession.
That will impact any Omega pad (actually any pad on any car - its just the Omega is heavy with an "adequate" pad size), as heat dissipation seems to fall off as the pad wears.
What about mine then? It's still got whatever was fitted(I've never been interested enough to look) to the front months before I bought it almost 5 years ago. I have done 45,000 miles on them, and I am not a slow driver. Plus whatever mileage the previous owner, who paid for the work, did.
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Got TC ones with barely 6k on them
TB is jealous. Or DBG clearly isn't trying hard enough.
I find beyond 5k, they are over half worn, and you start to get fade after a few big stops in quick succession.
That will impact any Omega pad (actually any pad on any car - its just the Omega is heavy with an "adequate" pad size), as heat dissipation seems to fall off as the pad wears.
What about mine then? It's still got whatever was fitted(I've never been interested enough to look) to the front months before I bought it almost 5 years ago. I have done 45,000 miles on them, and I am not a slow driver. Plus whatever mileage the previous owner, who paid for the work, did.
I think we had this discussion over some big crisps one pleasant evening a few weeks ago (despite me being in the doghouse for breaking her phone ;D). I think we should revisit it on Tuesday, over the big crisp course ;D :y
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Got TC ones with barely 6k on them
TB is jealous. Or DBG clearly isn't trying hard enough.
I find beyond 5k, they are over half worn, and you start to get fade after a few big stops in quick succession.
That will impact any Omega pad (actually any pad on any car - its just the Omega is heavy with an "adequate" pad size), as heat dissipation seems to fall off as the pad wears.
What about mine then? It's still got whatever was fitted(I've never been interested enough to look) to the front months before I bought it almost 5 years ago. I have done 45,000 miles on them, and I am not a slow driver. Plus whatever mileage the previous owner, who paid for the work, did.
I think we had this discussion over some big crisps one pleasant evening a few weeks ago (despite me being in the doghouse for breaking her phone ;D ). I think we should revisit it on Tuesday, over the big crisp course ;D :y
Yes, we have and we should. I expect we will reach the same conclusion too, with each of us left wondering how the hell do you manage it??? ;D
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Yes, we have and we should. I expect we will reach the same conclusion too, with each of us left wondering how the hell do you manage it??? ;D
But we'll have great fun reaching the same conclusions :y
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My proper brakes should be bedded in by then... 8)
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Hahah!!! :D
Certainly I'm not trying hard enough! £15 for front pads? Once every maybe 45k? Extortionate! I'm not saying I'm tight, but the reason I live at the top of hill is because I can coast some of the way to work in the morning. :y
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Now that I've mentioned them doing nearly 50k miles, they will probably wear out on the way to the curry tomorrow ;D which is likely to mean new discs by the time I get home
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Now that I've mentioned them doing nearly 50k miles, they will probably wear out on the way to the curry tomorrow ;D which is likely to mean new discs by the time I get home
I try to catch mine before they hit the wear sensors. As said, after then, they just seem to fade too quickly.
But at £15 a set and 15mins, I don't really mind changing them a bit prematurely. The hardest part is bedding the frakkers back in - took 30 miles yesterday :(