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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Merlindriver on 08 February 2016, 11:04:29
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I don't normally suport these on-line petitions but this is a topic close to my heart as I display a veteran helicopter from the Vietnam War (OH6 Loach) alongside the iconic UH-1 Huey at airshows. After the tragic accidents last year at Car Fest and notably Shoreham the CAA is rightly reviewing air show safety. However, one of their proposals is to increase charges for airshow permissions and display authorisations by 100%. Airshow organizers and participants already pay significant amounts to the CAA and it is difficult to see how such a large increase in fees will do anything to improve safety bar putting some smaller shows and individual display pilots out of business.
If you want to continue to enjoy the spectacle of airshows and see pilots displaying their aircraft and skills to the public than please support the petition (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/120628) asking that the proposal to increase charges be reconsidered.
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Done :y
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Done :y
Ditto ;)
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Been many a year since I last went to an airshow.Petition done though :y
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I think the only way that the increase in fees will help safety is to keep people away, but that will also be made privvy to the elite few that can afford to go and watch - especially on the flightline...
What a stupid bloody idea....
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Signed. Whilst I feel that some questions might need to be asked about airshow safety following recent events, what needs to happen next is to patiently await the results of the various accident investigations currently underway and see what, if anything, is an appropriate response.
The CAA's knee jerk response in curtailing aerobatic performances by vintage jets, plus the end of XH558's flying will already have hit the airshow circuit hard. It would be nice to see some support from the stuffed shirts at the campaign against aviation, rather than for recent troubles to be seen as an excuse for a price hike. >:(
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Signed :y
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Signed. Whilst I feel that some questions might need to be asked about airshow safety following recent events, what needs to happen next is to patiently await the results of the various accident investigations currently underway and see what, if anything, is an appropriate response.
The CAA's knee jerk response in curtailing aerobatic performances by vintage jets, plus the end of XH558's flying will already have hit the airshow circuit hard. It would be nice to see some support from the stuffed shirts at the campaign against aviation, rather than for recent troubles to be seen as an excuse for a price hike. >:(
The reports are yet to be issued but I'd bet my RAF pension on both the Gnat and Hunter accidents being down to pilot error. Off-site crowd safety has always been an issue. In my many years on the Flying Control Committee supervising the displays at Waddington it was the one subject that caused us the greatest concern, and that was at a huge airfield. Big problem at the small sites.
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
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For anyone interested the full consultation document is here (http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/statutory%20charges%20GA%20V2.pdf).
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
Extremely simple really ... the regulation, registration and monitoring regime is about to increase dramatically. Risk Assessments, Auditing and Oversight of displays will also increase. This will require far more staff and inspectors, as well as may more site visits prior to the event.
All these folks require salaries, mileage costs, overnight subsidence (where applicable), and many other expenses.
So, who is going to pay for it all if the fees don't go up ?? General Taxpayer would be a tad pissed off if the costs for a limited number of folk - airshow lovers - were all paid from "normal" taxes.
Just like the BBC & ITV everyone seems to be crying out for more to be spent .. but no-one wants to pay for anything.
Safety costs .... full stop.
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
Would you rather they just refused permission for any sort of display? The general public(the same people you always see on the telly whining 'How could this happen') wouldn't mind; It's for everybodies safety
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
Extremely simple really ... the regulation, registration and monitoring regime is about to increase dramatically. Risk Assessments, Auditing and Oversight of displays will also increase. This will require far more staff and inspectors, as well as may more site visits prior to the event.
All these folks require salaries, mileage costs, overnight subsidence (where applicable), and many other expenses.
So, who is going to pay for it all if the fees don't go up ?? General Taxpayer would be a tad pissed off if the costs for a limited number of folk - airshow lovers - were all paid from "normal" taxes.
Just like the BBC & ITV everyone seems to be crying out for more to be spent .. but no-one wants to pay for anything.
Safety costs .... full stop.
As much as I`d like my tax Pounds to be spent in this direction. the CAA is a public Corporation.
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
Extremely simple really ... the regulation, registration and monitoring regime is about to increase dramatically. Risk Assessments, Auditing and Oversight of displays will also increase. This will require far more staff and inspectors, as well as may more site visits prior to the event.
All these folks require salaries, mileage costs, overnight subsidence (where applicable), and many other expenses.
So, who is going to pay for it all if the fees don't go up ?? General Taxpayer would be a tad pissed off if the costs for a limited number of folk - airshow lovers - were all paid from "normal" taxes.
Just like the BBC & ITV everyone seems to be crying out for more to be spent .. but no-one wants to pay for anything.
safety costs full stop......
But common sense is free, and a thing most people seem to have less of year in year out, hence the continuingly reliance on others to think for the masses. That's why it costs :)
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
Extremely simple really ... the regulation, registration and monitoring regime is about to increase dramatically. Risk Assessments, Auditing and Oversight of displays will also increase. This will require far more staff and inspectors, as well as may more site visits prior to the event.
All these folks require salaries, mileage costs, overnight subsidence (where applicable), and many other expenses.
So, who is going to pay for it all if the fees don't go up ?? General Taxpayer would be a tad pissed off if the costs for a limited number of folk - airshow lovers - were all paid from "normal" taxes.
Just like the BBC & ITV everyone seems to be crying out for more to be spent .. but no-one wants to pay for anything.
safety costs full stop......
But common sense is free, and a thing most people seem to have less of year in year out, hence the continuingly reliance on others to think for the masses. That's why it costs :)
Crystal balls are expensive things, and properly trained clairvoyants to operate them are in short supply, so command high salaries. ;)
Nobody yet knows what caused the tragic accidents last year, so it's a tribute to said clairvoyants that the CAA has managed to put a cost on sorting it out, if any sorting is indeed needed. ::)
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How they can justify a price hike like that is beyond me >:(
I can`t remember the pilots name, but he he used to scream the airfield in an old A26 invader.
I last saw one of his best displays at the old RN Daedalus site many years ago 8)
I was sad to learn some time later that he had overcooked it & lost his life thrilling the crowds.
I suppose there must be millonaire collectors & flyers out there, but the majority of owners must have to watch their budgets very carefully.
Extremely simple really ... the regulation, registration and monitoring regime is about to increase dramatically. Risk Assessments, Auditing and Oversight of displays will also increase. This will require far more staff and inspectors, as well as may more site visits prior to the event.
All these folks require salaries, mileage costs, overnight subsidence (where applicable), and many other expenses.
So, who is going to pay for it all if the fees don't go up ?? General Taxpayer would be a tad pissed off if the costs for a limited number of folk - airshow lovers - were all paid from "normal" taxes.
Just like the BBC & ITV everyone seems to be crying out for more to be spent .. but no-one wants to pay for anything.
safety costs full stop......
But common sense is free, and a thing most people seem to have less of year in year out, hence the continuingly reliance on others to think for the masses. That's why it costs :)
Crystal balls are expensive things, and properly trained clairvoyants to operate them are in short supply, so command high salaries. ;)
Nobody yet knows what caused the tragic accidents last year, so it's a tribute to said clairvoyants that the CAA has managed to put a cost on sorting it out, if any sorting is indeed needed. ::)
Whilst I fully agree with your sentiments, it is an unfortunate reality that the media led masses, and the politicians who feed off them, have already been insisting that, regardless of the outcome of the investigations, "something must be done" ... it is the perennial cry of the "blame someone (else)" culture we now live in.
The CAA have become the target of opportunity, so the CAA have had to "do something", without regard to the, as yet, unpublished report into the tragedy. That "something" needs funding/paying for, so the fees have risen. QED
If I may quote from another source ...
"The Preliminary Report introduced a raft of changes that will require implementation by civil airshows and pilots, including “increased risk assessments, greater auditing and oversight of air displays, and an enhanced authorisation system for display pilots and evaluators”.
The Consultation Document makes specific reference to the safety enhancements put forward in the Preliminary Report and the associated financial cost. The CAA estimates that the operational cost of implementing said enhancements will amount to £250,000. The CAA is a self-funded body and in order to recover funds to adequately cover the cost of the increased regulatory work associated with these changes, it is passing these costs back on to airshows and air display pilots."
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Shoreham Pilot Mr Andy Hill acquitted
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47495885
I'm saying nowt ... :(
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Shoreham Pilot Mr Andy Hill acquitted
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47495885
I'm saying nowt ... :(
It appears to have worked in his case. :-\
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How is that even possible, when the AAIB investigation made it quite clear that the pilot was completely culpable :-\
I see an appeal coming...
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I don't believe the AAIB report was legally admissable.
TBH, gross negligence is a high bar to prove "beyond reasonable doubt". This is why we have offences of "Causing death by.." on the roads.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure the video shows a sharp heave back on the stick seconds before impact which suggests the seat-stick interface was operational. :-X
Then again, we don't know what evidence+advice was presented to the jury.
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Shoreham Pilot Mr Andy Hill acquitted
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47495885 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47495885)
I'm saying nowt ... :(
Wow :o