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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Varche on 15 February 2016, 11:43:45
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My 4x4 has a Peugeot 2.0 Hdi engine. The 90 bhp version (DW10)
I have been looking at maybe having it chipped using a reputable outfit. There is a distributor about three hours drive away where I could have a replacement ECU and keep mine rather than the faff of doing it online (£99) a bit cheaper. The Pros are pretty impressive .33% increase in power maybe 3 mpg better fuel economy. I wouldn't want the stage2 option that gives you a further 5bhp.
Here is typical blurb
Stage 1 Remap 90 BHP models - 120 BHP
This remap is designed to go straight on to a standard HDI engine without any modifications required. Peak power will be 120 BHP @ 3750 RPM, maximum torque will be 270Nm @ 2500 RPM. The stage 1 remap offers great performance, driveability and safer overtaking. On top of this you can expect to see economy gains of 3-5 MPG on average. Cost: £99.
Stage 1 Remap 90 BHP models - 125 BHP
This remap is designed to get the most out of your 2.0 HDI 90 engine with minimum modifications required. To run the 125 BHP remap you'll need to remove your catalytic converter as a bare minimum. For optimal results, fit a complete free flowing exhaust system (2.375"-2.5" bore). This remap is designed to suit engines with less than 135K miles.
The full power stage 1 remap will give 290Nm @ 2500 RPM and a peak horse power of 125 BHP @ 3750 RPM. This will really transform your car and make it a pleasure to drive. All remaps have been proven through years of testing and are perfectly safe for your engine to run. You can expect to see economy gains of 3-5 MPG on average. Cost: £99.
So the pros seem overwhelming.
What about the Cons? Presumably you don't get something for nothing. I can think of three concerns.
Is it more likely to wear your engine out and expose any weaknesses like head gasket ?
It will definitely be harder on the clutch. I had a new one two years ago but do a lot of low speed stop, start, move on - each day.
The 135k miles is interesting. Mine has done 108k miles. Is that an injectors issue? Presumably that is around the point when they wear out. They seem horrendously expensive and I believe aftermarket items aren't recommended so much as S/H low mileage genuine.
Anyone any thoughts or experience?
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I can't speak for derv drinkers, Mr Varche........only cars that burn proper fuel ;) :D
However, I encountered many problem when I tried to remap a turbo proper fuel car. ::) ::)
Constantly deciding to go into limp mode being the most frustrating. :-\
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....and I couldn't see/find the claimed gains in power and torque.
Having said that I understand that Turbo diesel cars respond best to a remap. :y :y
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Normally straight forward, wind up the boost and wind up the fueling.
Don't expect to see any real world mpg gains, the tuning normally just knocks out the consumption calculation figures which makes them appear better but they rarely if ever are.
Tuning boxes are by far the worst for this.
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Anyone any thoughts or experience?
Cons ...... It's French ::) ::)
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
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Anyone any thoughts or experience?
Cons ...... It's French ::) ::)
Pro,s? Na, it,s French. ;)
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I've looked into re-mapping in detail and I think I could now remap a car on my own (not dared do it mind you...)
On a diesel it is very easy. There's ample fresh air so all that's needed is to increase the amount of fuel injected. There are various maps that set limits on how much fuel is allowed and you just shift the levels up. Because there's a fair bit of engineering margin in the car design you generally get away with it. Especially if the same engine is available in a higher state of tune anyway.
I suspect the 135k is just an arbitrary limit to stop people blowing up older (more fragile) engines.
I can't see how MPGs are improved except for (a) placebo effect (b) you probably modify your driving.
The power gains are definitely real and the downsides are only badly done maps that can produce lots of soot and trigger various faults. A good map should give you a real and safe power increase.
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y,mine was 110 to start with though
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y
There you go then Varche, speak to Henry, job jobbed :y
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y
There you go then Varche, speak to Henry, job jobbed :y
Varche,stage one is plenty,it'll transform your Suzuki(I thought they were all 110 anyway but maybe different in Spain)
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No before the Santana factory closed they fitted the Pug 1.9 and then the 2.0 DW10 for 3 years.
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I've looked into re-mapping in detail and I think I could now remap a car on my own (not dared do it mind you...)
On a diesel it is very easy. There's ample fresh air so all that's needed is to increase the amount of fuel injected. There are various maps that set limits on how much fuel is allowed and you just shift the levels up. Because there's a fair bit of engineering margin in the car design you generally get away with it. Especially if the same engine is available in a higher state of tune anyway.
I suspect the 135k is just an arbitrary limit to stop people blowing up older (more fragile) engines.
I can't see how MPGs are improved except for (a) placebo effect (b) you probably modify your driving.
The power gains are definitely real and the downsides are only badly done maps that can produce lots of soot and trigger various faults. A good map should give you a real and safe power increase.
Bit more to it than that, the diesel engines run with an excess of air to improve response time to step changes in load/demand. Hence why they tend to smoke far more when you boot them after some poor tuning. :y
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y,mine was 110 to start with though
Was it actually chipped or just flashed?
This website has some good info:
http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk (http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk)
As there is a 2001 HDi 406 in the family I may consider taking on at some point if the 2.2 dies.
Looks like 110 (which is one we have) and 90 can see good gains with little if any work but chip/software
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y,mine was 110 to start with though
Was it actually chipped or just flashed?
This website has some good info:
http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk (http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk)
As there is a 2001 HDi 406 in the family I may consider taking on at some point if the 2.2 dies.
Looks like 110 (which is one we have) and 90 can see good gains with little if any work but chip/software
It was a box actually,was on the car when I bought it so I removed it as I though it was shite,drove it about 3 miles and put it back on again,just lucky I guess as it ran(still does with new owner) well and didn't smoke :y :y
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That was the website tunnie that got me going in the first place. :y I like that they specialise in just one engine breed.
Seems such a cheap mod when you realise how expensive power gains are on petrol engines e.g. the V6 Omegas.
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My experience with tuned cars:
Before and alongside the Omega, I ran a Re-mapped Saab 9-5 aero. The map took the car from 230bhp to 275bhp with no other mods required. Impressive gains tbh and VERY noticable over a stock one I had run previously. It was tuned at 110k, I bought it at 140k and sold it at 175k, still going strong, although using a bit of oil between services.
Nothing in the history suggested the tune had caused any issues prior to my ownership and I certainly didn’t experience any. Although the car did have its clutch replaced at 115k it was the original item so while the increase in power and torque doubtless didn’t do it any favours I’d say over 100k on a clutch ain’t bad going. The replacement was still in the car when I sold it with no signs of slip.
If you find someone who knows what they’re doing, I don’t think you have anything to fear from chipping a car. That said I’ve no doubt that a bad tune has the potential to put a massive dent in your wallet.
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y,mine was 110 to start with though
Was it actually chipped or just flashed?
This website has some good info:
http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk (http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk)
As there is a 2001 HDi 406 in the family I may consider taking on at some point if the 2.2 dies.
Looks like 110 (which is one we have) and 90 can see good gains with little if any work but chip/software
Any truth in the rumor that 'upert has just engaged an old diesel job for his personal transport. ::) ::) ::)
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Depending on the age of it, 110-120 bhp isn't unreasonable as that's what the 406 does from stock... so presumably a case of identifying what's different and applying it to your engine :-\
My 406 was chipped to 130 bhp at 180 k miles,now at 240k and still going strong :y
Was it just the chip or was anything else required?
just the chip :y,mine was 110 to start with though
Was it actually chipped or just flashed?
This website has some good info:
http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk (http://www.hdi-tuning.co.uk)
As there is a 2001 HDi 406 in the family I may consider taking on at some point if the 2.2 dies.
Looks like 110 (which is one we have) and 90 can see good gains with little if any work but chip/software
Any truth in the rumor that 'upert has just engaged an old diesel job for his personal transport. ::) ::) ::)
New wife must be turning out to be "high maintenance". ::)
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Haha. Nah, still got both Omegas and the bike :y
406 belonged to my Gramps, it's been sitting in garage for a couple of years. So if 2.2 ever goes bang in a big way, I'd look to take it on :)
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Haha. Nah, still got both Omegas and the bike :y
406 belonged to my Gramps, it's been sitting in garage for a couple of years. So if 2.2 ever goes bang in a big way, I'd look to take it on :)
Oh, sorry. I was talking about Uncle Rupert's new wife. (well, more "pre-owned", TBH). ;D