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Title: Rover V8.
Post by: amigov6 on 18 July 2008, 20:36:12
There's a Range Rover which potters about nearby which sounds like it's suffering from a manifold gasket blow. The owner does'nt boot it but it still sounds great. That's it really cool though!!!! 8-)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 July 2008, 20:48:55
My brother used to own a Rover 3500 on an H plate (1970).It sounded lovely also.Had a strip speedo and no rev counter,but lots of leather.
It was very quick for it's time being in the old 2000/2200 body shell. :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 20:59:46
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My brother used to own a Rover 3500 on an H plate (1970).It sounded lovely also.Had a strip speedo and no rev counter,but lots of leather.
It was very quick for it's time being in the old 2000/2200 body shell. :y

That'd be a P6 then.  ;)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Vamps on 18 July 2008, 21:02:59
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My brother used to own a Rover 3500 on an H plate (1970).It sounded lovely also.Had a strip speedo and no rev counter,but lots of leather.
It was very quick for it's time being in the old 2000/2200 body shell. :y

That'd be a P6 then.  ;)

Series 1, strip speedo and no rev counter in the V8 and no chrome body strips down the middle of the car.

Series 2 V8 had round speedo and Revcounter, 2000 retained strip speedo. :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: amigov6 on 18 July 2008, 21:05:37
Yup p6. I had a grey F reg with strip speedo, red leather. Only a 2000 but i was only 18, no ins. in those days but i "had some fun " in that big old car.
     Still like big old cars! :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: amigov6 on 18 July 2008, 21:08:05
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My brother used to own a Rover 3500 on an H plate (1970).It sounded lovely also.Had a strip speedo and no rev counter,but lots of leather.
It was very quick for it's time being in the old 2000/2200 body shell. :y

That'd be a P6 then.  ;)

Series 1, strip speedo and no rev counter in the V8 and no chrome body strips down the middle of the car.

Series 2 V8 had round speedo and Revcounter, 2000 retained strip speedo. :y
Do'nt forget the last p6's, ie 2.2 sc/tc, they had full dashes. ::)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 July 2008, 21:32:53
These Rover V8 have been used in just about every thing.I think it was originally a Buick lump that Rover later developed.
TVR griffith 500. They really sound like a  demonic little ba*****s.
340 BHP in a car weighing barely a tonne. :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 21:35:05
Correct, it was teh Buick 215 engine which rover breaked the design up of and screwed the head design up on....
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 21:38:27
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These Rover V8 have been used in just about every thing.I think it was originally a Buick lump that Rover later developed.
TVR griffith 500. They really sound like a  demonic little ba*****s.
340 BHP in a car weighing barely a tonne. :y :y :y :y

Originally power out put was pathetic 184bhp
P5B first used the Buick V8  ... hence the B
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 July 2008, 21:41:47
Morgan+8
TVR
Rover P6
Westfield
Triumph TR8
Rover Vitesse
Rover P5?
Triumph Stag as a replacement

Any more?
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 21:44:31
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These Rover V8 have been used in just about every thing.I think it was originally a Buick lump that Rover later developed.
TVR griffith 500. They really sound like a  demonic little ba*****s.
340 BHP in a car weighing barely a tonne. :y :y :y :y

Originally power out put was pathetic 184bhp
P5B first used the Buick V8  ... hence the B

No, original power outputs were:

3.5 as fitted to the P5B and P6B were 160bhp

Early Range Rover versions were 125bhp!

SD1 - Carb - 152bhp
SD1 - injection - 167bhp (also fitte to later Range Rovers
SD1 - Vitesse - 190bhp at best!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 21:44:53
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Triumph Stag as a replacement

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 :o  :o  :o  :o  :o You'll burn in hell with comments like that!!  ;)   :y  :y  :y

Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Vamps on 18 July 2008, 21:46:05
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Morgan+8
TVR
Rover P6
Westfield
Triumph TR8
Rover Vitesse
Rover P5?
Triumph Stag as a replacement

Any more?

SD1
LDV
P5B as apposed to the P5 6 cyl inline.
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 21:46:46
Ow yes, not aware of any V8 TVR engine that ever achieved anywhere near the claimed output power!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Vamps on 18 July 2008, 21:47:24
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These Rover V8 have been used in just about every thing.I think it was originally a Buick lump that Rover later developed.
TVR griffith 500. They really sound like a  demonic little ba*****s.
340 BHP in a car weighing barely a tonne. :y :y :y :y

Originally power out put was pathetic 184bhp
P5B first used the Buick V8  ... hence the B

No, original power outputs were:

3.5 as fitted to the P5B and P6B were 160bhp

Early Range Rover versions were 125bhp!

SD1 - Carb - 152bhp
SD1 - injection - 167bhp (also fitte to later Range Rovers
SD1 - Vitesse - 190bhp at best!


Did you work for Rover at some point, did you used to like them? just trying to put pieces together. :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 21:47:54
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No, original power outputs were:

3.5 as fitted to the P5B and P6B were 160bhp
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I knew I'be picked up on that. I quoted a gross figure from Rover P5 & P5B The complete story although I knew there was a somewhat lower figure fitted to something with 4 wheel drive. I'd have guessed at the Land Rover  ::)  :y  :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 21:50:02
I have tuned a few.....still got one in bits in the garage destined for 'a project'

Done a LOT of studying of them so sadly know them inside out!

Do you know that in the three years that Buick produced the engien they made more units then the entire Rover production cycle!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Martin_1962 on 18 July 2008, 21:53:54
90bhp in the 109 :o
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 21:55:15
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Do you know that in the three years that Buick produced the engien they made more units then the entire Rover production cycle!

Didn't Rover use a completely different casting technique though?  :-/
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 21:59:06
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Do you know that in the three years that Buick produced the engien they made more units then the entire Rover production cycle!

Didn't Rover use a completely different casting technique though?  :-/

They used a different casting technology for the block, added four extra bolts to each head to break up the head gasket seal (not fixed until 1995!), screwed up the inlet breathing (exhaust was not much better) and made the block weaker (improved with the SD1 designs).
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 22:03:48
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I don't know about other Rovers etc, but I saw under the bonnet of a MGBGT V8 & the manifold is practically a 90 deg elbow from the head so that it clears the front chassis legs.
As for  the carbs, they're mounted that far back, to clear the underside of the bonnet, that the fuel must've litterally poured into the manifold. Any atomisation would have been long gone.
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 22:05:54
The manifolds are not to bad but, the 90 or even 180 degree bends off teh SU's were a bloody nightmare!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Vamps on 18 July 2008, 22:07:14
They still sounded nice though................ :y
I had a P6B auto, lovely car, not the fastest or best mpg but a nice lazey car to drive around in. Had to sell it when I became a mature student 12 years ago. This is a car I would swop the Mig for ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 22:08:37
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The manifolds are not to bad but, the 90 or even 180 degree bends off teh SU's were a bloody nightmare!

They looked it
(http://www.vord.net/mgparts/albums/MGB-V8-Engine/v8_carbs.sized.jpg)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 22:10:46
And just think of the heatsoak!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Andy B on 18 July 2008, 22:11:40
EFi does have  some advatages I suppose!  ;D  ;D  ;D :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 July 2008, 22:13:33
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EFi does have  some advatages I suppose!  ;D  ;D  ;D :y


EFi is always better than carbs......no venturi = no inlet restriction!
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 July 2008, 23:08:07
what was  the Rover prototype that used the V8 in 1967, a
year before proper production.
I remember it as a kid .It was a very futuristic looking car fo its time.
Does anyone recall. :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 July 2008, 00:03:20
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The manifolds are not to bad but, the 90 or even 180 degree bends off teh SU's were a bloody nightmare!

They looked it
(http://www.vord.net/mgparts/albums/MGB-V8-Engine/v8_carbs.sized.jpg)

A typical bit of BL "we've got these carbs in the parts bin and you'll ruddy well use them" design by beancounter. ::)

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Ow yes, not aware of any V8 TVR engine that ever achieved anywhere near the claimed output power!

Did you see the article a couple of years ago when Dave Walker fitted an Emerald to one (can't remember if it was the AJP8 or the straight 6)?

Anyway, he got a load more power out of it and mapped it properly   so it didn't pop and fart all the time, did wonders for the torque at low revs and driveability. Ended up with a much better car. Typical - go to the lengths of designing your own engine and then don't bother to map it accurately. ::)

Still, if they didn't run as rough as a bear's @rse they'd lose their appeal to most of their target audience. :-X

Kevin
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 July 2008, 11:54:03
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what was  the Rover prototype that used the V8 in 1967, a
year before proper production.
I remember it as a kid .It was a very futuristic looking car fo its time.
Does anyone recall. :y

Yes, just found picutres of it. Mid engine to boot. P6BS. Anyone remember this one?

(http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/p6bs_01.jpg)

(http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/p8_07.jpg)
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Pete Elite on 19 July 2008, 18:46:13
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what was  the Rover prototype that used the V8 in 1967, a
year before proper production.
I remember it as a kid .It was a very futuristic looking car fo its time.
Does anyone recall. :y

Yes, just found picutres of it. Mid engine to boot. P6BS. Anyone remember this one?

(http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/p6bs_01.jpg)

(http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/p8_07.jpg)


    Not exactly Pininfarina is it :o.
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Ken T on 19 July 2008, 22:11:20
Looks kind of like the early kit cars with home made body shells. You made the mould from hardboard, and what came out was basically straight panels with a few gentle curves. Not bad really for someone working in his garage in his spare time. I remember repairing a mini fibreglass front with some cardboard and lots of fibreglass. :o :o ;D ;D
Ken
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: PxMetro on 19 July 2008, 22:15:16
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Ow yes, not aware of any V8 TVR engine that ever achieved anywhere near the claimed output power!

May be so, but they still go like hell! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Ken T on 19 July 2008, 22:15:21
The roof shape looks almost merc like. I remember the SD1 "borrowed" its looks from a Ferrari.

Ken
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 July 2008, 22:36:37
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The roof shape looks almost merc like. I remember the SD1 "borrowed" its looks from a Ferrari.

Ken
yes ,the Ferrari Daytona if memory serves. :y
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: Dusty on 19 July 2008, 23:04:04
Many years ago I used to own an MGB GT V8. The engine was lovely, as was the performance. But the handling was very antiquated. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Rover V8.
Post by: waspy on 19 July 2008, 23:10:27
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The roof shape looks almost merc like. I remember the SD1 "borrowed" its looks from a Ferrari.

Ken
yes ,the Ferrari Daytona if memory serves. :y

The SD1 was styled by an Italian in Italy in the very early seventies  :y