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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tigers_gonads on 21 March 2016, 16:22:37
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My laptop is running Win 7 ultimate and has been running great until the last couple of updates.
Now it is running slow as hell with the start up taking 3 or 4 times longer to boot up >:(
Just powered it up after a day at work and i've just got a message telling me that apparently, i've pre ordered Win 10 and its going to download on the 23rd March >:(
The laptop is a Toshiba satellite which is the best part of 10 years old and I don't friggin want Win 10 ::)
How do I stop it and get the laptop working back as it should be ?
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May I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a few days ago here
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=134962.0
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Cheers for that :y
I have just right clicked the win 10 icon and told it to not bother ;)
We will see how long that lasts ::)
What does windows update KB3035583 do ?
I've just been through my list and it had been installed so i've just uninstalled it :y
The laptop has still not blown up so fingers crossed ;D
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Cheers for that :y
I have just right clicked the win 10 icon and told it to not bother ;)
We will see how long that lasts ::)
What does windows update KB3035583 do ?
I've just been through my list and it had been installed so i've just uninstalled it :y
The laptop has still not blown up so fingers crossed ;D
Isn't that the one that loads the Win10 installer? :-\
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Cheers for that :y
I have just right clicked the win 10 icon and told it to not bother ;)
We will see how long that lasts ::)
What does windows update KB3035583 do ?
I've just been through my list and it had been installed so i've just uninstalled it :y
The laptop has still not blown up so fingers crossed ;D
Isn't that the one that loads the Win10 installer? :-\
Could be
It looks like the icon has done a runner :y
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MS clearly publish how to be excluded from any update. Given that you run a non-Home/Basic version of Win7, Group Policy is probably the easiest, quickest, most robust method.
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Or, suck it up Buttercup and install the best version of Windows ever to be released. :-\
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KB3035583 appears to have been re-released overnight as an important update. It's just appeared on all of my machines even though it's been previously hidden. That means that if you've got updates set to 'auto install' you'll be infected again by KB3035583. If I could trust M$ to honour my settings then perhaps I would use group policies. But I can't, so I don't. YMMV.
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KB3035583 appears to have been re-released overnight as an important update. It's just appeared on all of my machines even though it's been previously hidden. That means that if you've got updates set to 'auto install' you'll be infected again by KB3035583. If I could trust M$ to honour my settings then perhaps I would use group policies. But I can't, so I don't. YMMV.
Yup, noticed the Win 10 icon has appeared again.
I'll look into what TB has said but don't hold your breath that i'll understand what he is on about :-[
[/Tb mutters something along the lines of gonads should work for Sony or in a Shell garage, friggin retard ;D i]
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The free Win10 upgrade for 7 users expires this summer, so why not take advantage of the Freebie.
Ive got a couple of Machines that I cloned the HD and upgraded to win10 Pro to get them activated, then slapped the original win7 HD back in, so still running 7 Ultimate, but have the option of running 10 as and when. Once activated on 10 you can run both 7 and 10 legally on the same machine but not at the same. ;)
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The free Win10 upgrade for 7 users expires this summer, so why not take advantage of the Freebie.
Ive got a couple of Machines that I cloned the HD and upgraded to win10 Pro to get them activated, then slapped the original win7 HD back in, so still running 7 Ultimate, but have the option of running 10 as and when. Once activated on 10 you can run both 7 and 10 legally on the same machine but not at the same. ;)
I've got a usb 1TB stand alone hardrive here Chris
I've backed up files and folders in the past but I have never tried to clone a running copy of Windows
Do I need a separate piece of software to do it all in one go ?
Hopefully i'm reading this right :-[
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The free Win10 upgrade for 7 users expires this summer, so why not take advantage of the Freebie.
Ive got a couple of Machines that I cloned the HD and upgraded to win10 Pro to get them activated, then slapped the original win7 HD back in, so still running 7 Ultimate, but have the option of running 10 as and when. Once activated on 10 you can run both 7 and 10 legally on the same machine but not at the same. ;)
I've got a usb 1TB stand alone hardrive here Chris
I've backed up files and folders in the past but I have never tried to clone a running copy of Windows
Do I need a separate piece of software to do it all in one go ?
Hopefully i'm reading this right :-[
You can use windows to create a Drive Image / Restore it blah, blah, but I tend to use 3rd Party apps, theres plenty of Freebies around that do the job, HDClone, XXclone, EaseUS to name a few, there all pretty much do the same job depending how youve Partition your HD, you might even find your 1GB came with a full working copy of something.
Might seem a bit daunting at first if you not done it before, but your soon get the hang of it, just make sure you know which disk is doing what to the other one (Source, Target etc), and double check before hitting start.
Also worth checking after cloning that the Copied Disk actually Boots in your machine and works as it should before putting it in a safe place. :y
Edit, also worth mentioning with cloning, any data youve got on the new Target Drive will be erased, so make sure all is backed somewhere etc, also the Target drive needs to be the same size or bigger compared to the Source rive. ;)
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
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The free Win10 upgrade for 7 users expires this summer, so why not take advantage of the Freebie.
Ive got a couple of Machines that I cloned the HD and upgraded to win10 Pro to get them activated, then slapped the original win7 HD back in, so still running 7 Ultimate, but have the option of running 10 as and when. Once activated on 10 you can run both 7 and 10 legally on the same machine but not at the same. ;)
I've got a usb 1TB stand alone hardrive here Chris
I've backed up files and folders in the past but I have never tried to clone a running copy of Windows
Do I need a separate piece of software to do it all in one go ?
Hopefully i'm reading this right :-[
You can use windows to create a Drive Image / Restore it blah, blah, but I tend to use 3rd Party apps, theres plenty of Freebies around that do the job, HDClone, XXclone, EaseUS to name a few, there all pretty much do the same job depending how youve Partition your HD, you might even find your 1GB came with a full working copy of something.
Might seem a bit daunting at first if you not done it before, but your soon get the hang of it, just make sure you know which disk is doing what to the other one (Source, Target etc), and double check before hitting start.
Also worth checking after cloning that the Copied Disk actually Boots in your machine and works as it should before putting it in a safe place. :y
I'll have a word with the lad when he gets home Chris
He has forgotten more about this stuff then I know :-[
Cheers bud :)
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7 :y
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
Thats the beauty of cloning TG, your still have your original Drive or a Copy of it at hand.
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7 :y
My lad went from Win 8 to 10 and back again. His Aldi special desktop went tits up and point blank refused to let him register Win 10 regardless of the advise given out on here.
Ended up with assorts of weird shite happening like files from his app design stuff for Nokia and Blackberry disappearing :(
He is a bit of a hot head like his old man too ................. Lets just say Basil Fawlty would have been proud ;D
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
Thats the beauty of cloning TG, your still have your original Drive or a Copy of it at hand.
You lot are slipping ::)
You missed out on a chance to get rid of me there :D :D :D
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You lot are slipping ::)
You missed out on a chance to get rid of me there :D :D :D
Ah, Damn, ... now let me talk you about a useful tool called 'Format'. ;D
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KB3035583 appears to have been re-released overnight as an important update. It's just appeared on all of my machines even though it's been previously hidden. That means that if you've got updates set to 'auto install' you'll be infected again by KB3035583. If I could trust M$ to honour my settings then perhaps I would use group policies. But I can't, so I don't. YMMV.
Well, that's why you keep getting Win10 messages ;). They clearly publish what you have to do to prevent the upgrade. Permanently. So why not opt out in the official way, rather than the utter 'dangle berries' that the bloke down the pub says?
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I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.
That's what scares me Gav ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions ;D ;D ;D
You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7 :y
As sure as shit is brown and smelly, do NOT rely on that. Whilst it does often work, I've had loads of machines thrown at me where that hasn't worked.
As Zirk says, a good clone is the best starting point.
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Well, that's why you keep getting Win10 messages ;).
I need to get the messages so that I know when our users are going to get problems. It's how I knew first thing this morning that M$ were at it again. But I wasn't infected because I followed my own advice. ;D
They clearly publish what you have to do to prevent the upgrade. Permanently. So why not opt out in the official way, rather than the utter 'dangle berries' that the bloke down the pub says?
I assume you're referring to this : https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351
Which was first published in late July 2015, some 4 months AFTER KB3035583 first hit the streets - IIRC as a critical/important update so it often got installed automatically.
And then you've got KB2952664, KB2977759, KB2990214, KB3021917, KB3050265, KB3068708, KB3075249, KB3080149, all of which are at best dubious. You only have to start up Windows running through a proxy and Wireshark to realise that an awful lot of stuff is going on without your knowledge, and without knowledge you cannot give informed consent regardless of what the EULA says/said. Some of these updates repeatedly re-install too.
There is no mention of KB3080351 on the KB3035583 info screen, so Microsoft aren't exactly making it easy to find.
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OK, lets get this straight once and for all. Because I hear an awful lot of bullshit about Win10, MS playing underhand, and "this is what my mum's dog's brother's best mate's girlfriend heard down the pub".
MS want everyone on Windows 10? Yes, absolutely.
They WILL ensure everyone is forced on to it? Nope. They provide AND DOCUMENT a list of official options to prevent it being deployed. They do this because the one group of people MS really do not want to piss off badly are medium/large companies, and they really don't want to get on the wrong side of head of these IT departments. So MS HAVE to ensure a very robust method of doing nothing.
The Group Policy method was publically published several months ago, and was available privately before then, but the internet is full of unreliable wank about uninstalling updates to prevent it based on flawed logic by people who think they are smarter than what they are.
MS were really only putting the update block in place for enterprises, so were slow to publically publish the options, as most enterprises would use Systems Center or WSUS to provide updates, until this year, neither could deal with a Win10 upgrade. I believe even now, domain attached computers will still not upgrade (would need to check).
MS's strategy for Windows patching has changed from a full matrix more towards the Apple/Android style of only patching the latest. This partially happened partway through the life of Win8, and has gone all in with Windows 10 - so you'll see the occasional huge update, then cumulative updates to that big update, with no/few standalone Windows patches.
For non business users, there probably isn't much reason to refuse a freebie upgrade to a legal* version of Windows 10, as to be frank, it runs on virtually all things that could run Vista (Win10 is ultimately just an enhanced Vista kernel) as well as the original OS, with very few compatibility issues. However, I do believe that should be the user's choice... ...to an extent.
So, in essence, if you don't want Win10, use the officially documented ways to block it, as these will be robust, as they are built in order to really not piss off the purse strings. Thus, can be relied upon. Unlike most of the wank to bypass it that you find on the internet - I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, but even I could see that none of them are likely to work for any length of time.
* Including all those dodgy Windows 7 Ultimates, which one of the channel rags reported that MS were saying a huge number (like 90% :o) were illegal copies, and that it is trivial for MS to decide which ones if they wanted to... ...maybe they will once (if :-X) Win10 free upgrade closes...
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I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
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Oppps, sounds like a rant :-[
Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.
No malice or offence intended to anyone :-[
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I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
Crickey Uncle S, how old is it :o. Even my 8yr old PCs manage it fine (although desktop did need persuasions).
Win 7 is good til 2020 (although in another ploy to get people to migrate, won't support new hardware), although now with Win 10 I'm hoping my machines will last longer now (as, TBH, they are fast enough).
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Oppps, sounds like a rant :-[
Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.
No malice or offence intended to anyone :-[
As a consumer I haven't seen anything that resembles a 'simple procedure' from Microsoft for anything (let alone preventing the Win10 install.)
MS do seem to support big customers OK and presumably inform them of randomly named keys that they can add to domain policies to force things on to the PCs on the domain. Presumably consumers could do the same (using GPE?) to their home PCs but that isn't going to work for 90% of home users. What is required is a soft sales campaign to end users explaining what Microsoft are hoping to achieve and some honest explanation of what will actually happen if you do install it. They then need a 'user interface' to allow the user to manage the process (including various levels of opt out eg not today/not until next patch/not ever) not an automatic update system with a series of cryptic numbers and meaningless descriptions
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I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
Crickey Uncle S, how old is it :o. Even my 8yr old PCs manage it fine (although desktop did need persuasions).
Win 7 is good til 2020 (although in another ploy to get people to migrate, won't support new hardware), although now with Win 10 I'm hoping my machines will last longer now (as, TBH, they are fast enough).
It's about 8 years old, one of those out-of-the-box thingies from PC World. It was running really slow so, as the lad now has his laptop and we both have gaypads, I did a factory reset on it and just use it when necessary now. Runs pretty good with fick all on it. ;D
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As a consumer I haven't seen anything that resembles a 'simple procedure' from Microsoft for anything (let alone preventing the Win10 install.)
Same here. I just want a "simple procedure", meaning in laymans terms, just how to stop Windows installing Win 10 on my desktop.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
What model is that ?
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Oppps, sounds like a rant :-[
Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.
No malice or offence intended to anyone :-[
As a consumer I haven't seen anything that resembles a 'simple procedure' from Microsoft for anything (let alone preventing the Win10 install.)
MS do seem to support big customers OK and presumably inform them of randomly named keys that they can add to domain policies to force things on to the PCs on the domain. Presumably consumers could do the same (using GPE?) to their home PCs but that isn't going to work for 90% of home users. What is required is a soft sales campaign to end users explaining what Microsoft are hoping to achieve and some honest explanation of what will actually happen if you do install it. They then need a 'user interface' to allow the user to manage the process (including various levels of opt out eg not today/not until next patch/not ever) not an automatic update system with a series of cryptic numbers and meaningless descriptions
Group Policy Editor if you have a non Basic version of Windows 7, or a direct registry manipulation if you do (but obviously you don't want to randomly click and import a random registry file ;D), is probably the easiest permanent way IMHO.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
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Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.
So - show us this simple procedure - one that works on Win7 Home and doesn't require knife and forking in the registry.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
What model is that ?
Packard Bell
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
Is it a Genuine Copy, if so can you not download win7 with SP1 from Ms, or have they stopped all that now.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
Is it a Genuine Copy, if so can you not download win7 with SP1 from Ms, or have they stopped all that now.
Genuine copy, tried everything MS suggest + forums.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
What is the error? We really do need SP1 on there PDQ.
If you're stuck, fellow Admin, you can always drop it off for a short holiday in Brakkers for a few days.
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
What is the error? We really do need SP1 on there PDQ.
If you're stuck, fellow Admin, you can always drop it off for a short holiday in Brakkers for a few days.
Might well take you up on that :y
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TB PM sent.
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My version of Win 7 Ultimate downloaded and runs service pack 1 with no problems even though the copy of windows is of a slightly dubious nature :-X
Should I be worried ?
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My version of Win 7 Ultimate downloaded and runs service pack 1 with no problems even though the copy of windows is of a slightly dubious nature :-X
Should I be worried ?
The software police are on their way as we speak ;)
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My version of Win 7 Ultimate downloaded and runs service pack 1 with no problems even though the copy of windows is of a slightly dubious nature :-X
Should I be worried ?
The software police are on their way as we speak ;)
Run away, run away ;D ;D ;D
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Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.
So - show us this simple procedure - one that works on Win7 Home and doesn't require knife and forking in the registry.
Basic/Home do actually support Group Policy, but the GUI is not installed. So you pop the info in the registry.
Is the registry that scary?
As per your own link earlier, which probably is one of the clearer explanations, you need:
Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1
Which 10s effort makes a .reg file:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
Or if you need it simpler (BUT I DO NOT RECOMMEND INSTALLING .reg FILES FROM THE INTERNET UNDER ANY CICUMSTANCES):
http://theboy.omegaowners.com/downloads/W10Block.reg
HTH
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My version of Win 7 Ultimate downloaded and runs service pack 1 with no problems even though the copy of windows is of a slightly dubious nature :-X
Should I be worried ?
Loaders and BIOS hacks are incredibly easy to spot, and KMS is reasonably easy. No matter what the authors claim. Mostly due (in case of Loaders and BIOS hacks) to a fundamental misunderstanding that the lazy (and thick) script kiddies use. And you leak all the incriminating evidence everywhere you go.
So maybe take the Win10 upgrade and lose the Loaders/BIOS (and unless you did the BIOS yourself, you'd be pretty retarded to use a random BIOS downloaded from someone you don't know).
Or to keep less under the radar, revert to Home, as Ultimate offers nothing useful, and just highlights you. At least you can get lost with the masses.
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My version of Win 7 Ultimate downloaded and runs service pack 1 with no problems even though the copy of windows is of a slightly dubious nature :-X
Should I be worried ?
Loaders and BIOS hacks are incredibly easy to spot, and KMS is reasonably easy. No matter what the authors claim. Mostly due (in case of Loaders and BIOS hacks) to a fundamental misunderstanding that the lazy (and thick) script kiddies use. And you leak all the incriminating evidence everywhere you go.
So maybe take the Win10 upgrade and lose the Loaders/BIOS (and unless you did the BIOS yourself, you'd be pretty retarded to use a random BIOS downloaded from someone you don't know).
Or to keep less under the radar, revert to Home, as Ultimate offers nothing useful, and just highlights you. At least you can get lost with the masses.
That might be the best way for a life member of the computer retard club ;D
How do you wind it back to Home ?
Tbh, I had 3 pc's / Laptops and that Media Centre which I built last year which needed a more upto date operating system and bearing in mind I was on the bones of my arse at the time, running the :-X version was a no brainer :y
If I can keep them all running without having a nervous breakdown trying to upgrade that all the better ;D
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
What is the error? We really do need SP1 on there PDQ.
If you're stuck, fellow Admin, you can always drop it off for a short holiday in Brakkers for a few days.
Error 800736B3
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My Toshiba laptop - c. 8 years runs better on Win 10 than it's ever done.
My old PC c. 8 years won't install Win 10 because SP1 won't install on Win 7 - spent hours looking for a solution - to no avail.
Win 7 is insecure without SP1, so you really do need to nail that one AA :)
I am not alone, there are thousands out there that can't install SP1.
What is the error? We really do need SP1 on there PDQ.
If you're stuck, fellow Admin, you can always drop it off for a short holiday in Brakkers for a few days.
Error 800736B3
I'd still be looking for a copy of that .exe (in download history) or .msi (search), and then doing the honourable thing ;)
Although I believe it can be fixed as is... ...but that doesn't get you over your longer term problem of the application vendor going titsup.