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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 14 June 2016, 21:36:29
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Not mine, nothing to do with me, I've only been to me, to you, to Rotherham once.
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/190122/vauxhall-lotus-senator-sale-rotherham
Seller or seller's mate seems to be keeping it vague to avoid any tricky questions about provenance - but I still like it!
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no rust any where on the shell
This phrase worries me. I take it to mean anything extrenuous is rotting off ;D.
You're right, some odd wording but a nice motor nonetheless.
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Nice little sleeper that, bet you could surprise some people with that ;D
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Sure I've seen that in the flesh at VBOA with Autobahnstormers at Billing. :-\
Off I trot to check. :)
Yep, it did belong to an ABS member.
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Yep, it did belong to an ABS member.
Pretty sure I remember it for sale on the ABS site for around £10 000 ....... IIRC I still had a bit of redundancy money left at the time but couldn't be arsed with the 'debate' we'd have had ::)
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The mileage according to the M.O.T. history check is interesting to say the least
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This is a well known car in ABS circles, having once been owned by the Chairman, or was if the Chairman's father in law? I think it's been through a few other hands since though.
Last I heard it was Ok, but it is what it is - effectively a one off project car built from the remains of 2 scrapped LC/LO's into a host Senator. If you fancy something a bit different and very rapid then fine.
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This is a well known car in ABS circles, having once been owned by the Chairman, or was if the Chairman's father in law? I think it's been through a few other hands since though.
Last I heard it was Ok, but it is what it is - effectively a one off project car built from the remains of 2 scrapped LC/LO's into a host Senator. If you fancy something a bit different and very rapid then fine.
I remember it well, was it Jonathan Bennett that was the owner a few years ago?
It`s still a nice car and I always preferred the Senator rear quarter lights to the Carlton.
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The mileage according to the M.O.T. history check is interesting to say the least
It certainly is ;D
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The mileage according to the M.O.T. history check is interesting to say the least
It certainly is ;D
I was like "oh, looks like its had some new cloc- hang on, twice over?"
Is it a digi dash on these ones?
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The mileage according to the M.O.T. history check is interesting to say the least
It certainly is ;D
I was like "oh, looks like its had some new cloc- hang on, twice over?"
Is it a digi dash on these ones?
On a LC then no but I can`t remember if this has a digi dash or not.
Anyway, if anyone was interested there will be a lot of background on the ABS forum and I`m pretty sure all the work will be well documented.
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Did I hear right that a very good LC was broken up to make this? that always saddened me greatly, I'd be much happier to know that two scrap/accident-damaged ones were chopped up instead.
Nice idea an 'LS', and of course, no idea why GM decided to make the Lotus Carlton, not the Lotus Senator, as the Senny was always aimed as being 'one up' from the Carlton.
Understand well over £30k was chucked into this project. Could be hearsay, of course.
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Did I hear right that a very good LC was broken up to make this? that always saddened me greatly, I'd be much happier to know that two scrap/accident-damaged ones were chopped up instead.
Nice idea an 'LS', and of course, no idea why GM decided to make the Lotus Carlton, not the Lotus Senator, as the Senny was always aimed as being 'one up' from the Carlton.
Understand well over £30k was chucked into this project. Could be hearsay, of course.
You need your reading glasses on DBG ;DThis is a well known car in ABS circles, having once been owned by the Chairman, or was if the Chairman's father in law? I think it's been through a few other hands since though.
Last I heard it was Ok, but it is what it is - effectively a one off project car built from the remains of 2 scrapped LC/LO's into a host Senator. If you fancy something a bit different and very rapid then fine.
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No, dear Mr Gav, I read that ;) - my point being as I understood it, a perfectly serviceable - even very good nick - LC was dismantled/destroyed for its parts to make this.
Mr LC0112G says two scrapped LC/LOs were used as donors. But if you take an Mot'd, taxed car, then dismantle it, it becomes 'scrapped' - I was just inquiring whether before the donor vehicles were stripped, were either actually Mot'd, running cars, or were they both accident damaged/writeoffs/beyond saving etc? :)
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No, dear Mr Gav, I read that ;) - my point being as I understood it, a perfectly serviceable - even very good nick - LC was dismantled/destroyed for its parts to make this.
Mr LC0112G says two scrapped LC/LOs were used as donors. But if you take an Mot'd, taxed car, then dismantle it, it becomes 'scrapped' - I was just inquiring whether before the donor vehicles were stripped, were either actually Mot'd, running cars, or were they both accident damaged/writeoffs/beyond saving etc? :)
From memory - which isn't always 100% reliable - one of the 'donor' cars was James W's Lotus Omega, which is the Left hooker version of an LC. At the time LO's were worth around £10K-£15K depending on condition which was significantly less than an LC of the same quality. I don't know what James sold his car for or the condition of the car - it was a runner, taxed and MOT - more than that you'd have to ask him. I think some other (RHD specific) parts were salvaged from an already wrecked LC.
Again from memory, the shell of the stripped LO subsequently re-surfaced with another ABS member, and there was talk of rebuilding it. I don't know if that happened though
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I remember it well, was it Jonathan Bennett that was the owner a few years ago?
It`s still a nice car and I always preferred the Senator rear quarter lights to the Carlton.
Yes that name rings a bell, but the owner I'm thinking of is Dave K, or perhaps it was his Father in Law Bob. Those two sorted out a number of electrical gremlins with the car whilst it was in their ownership, and AFAIK it was a reasonably well sorted car when it left their ownership. That was a fair few years ago now though and it doesn't take long for the tin worm to get to Carlton's and Senators so it could be anything from pristine to a rust bucket by now.
If stripped for parts I reckon it might make £5-£10K provided the major mechanicals, interior, and body kit find desparate enough new owner(s). I'd rather the car stayed as it is though but 'mid teens' seems a bit steep to me. Having said that, I don't really like or understand the modified car market.
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No, dear Mr Gav, I read that ;) - my point being as I understood it, a perfectly serviceable - even very good nick - LC was dismantled/destroyed for its parts to make this.
Mr LC0112G says two scrapped LC/LOs were used as donors. But if you take an Mot'd, taxed car, then dismantle it, it becomes 'scrapped' - I was just inquiring whether before the donor vehicles were stripped, were either actually Mot'd, running cars, or were they both accident damaged/writeoffs/beyond saving etc? :)
From memory - which isn't always 100% reliable - one of the 'donor' cars was James W's Lotus Omega, which is the Left hooker version of an LC. At the time LO's were worth around £10K-£15K depending on condition which was significantly less than an LC of the same quality. I don't know what James sold his car for or the condition of the car - it was a runner, taxed and MOT - more than that you'd have to ask him. I think some other (RHD specific) parts were salvaged from an already wrecked LC.
Again from memory, the shell of the stripped LO subsequently re-surfaced with another ABS member, and there was talk of rebuilding it. I don't know if that happened though
See i had this in my head, as being James' but wasnt sure. This was my 'concern' - that a rare car got rarer. To strip parts from a wrecked writeoff is one thing, but I do feel a bit 'odd' seeing one of my all-time favourite cars stripped purely for parts.
And when you see a project for sale like this, as you say, Mr Gav, stripped it will be a more appealing buy than as a whole car, to many. Which is a shame in itself. Originality over modded, as the rule, yes. Much like an original, as-factory Astra GTE 16v will be worth more than one with a candy-apple red respray and £10k of spax/momo etc gear thrown at it.
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Its made up from parts from a Carlton??, you mean,..... its a Genuine Fake !! next your be telling us the Bonnet Vents aren't real and made from Carbon Fiber or something !! :o
Wheres Al.
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Its made up from parts from a Carlton??, you mean,..... its a Genuine Fake !! next your be telling us the Bonnet Vents aren't real and made from Carbon Fiber or something !! :o
Wheres Al.
;D ;D
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I remember it well, was it Jonathan Bennett that was the owner a few years ago?
It`s still a nice car and I always preferred the Senator rear quarter lights to the Carlton.
Yes that name rings a bell, but the owner I'm thinking of is Dave K, or perhaps it was his Father in Law Bob. Those two sorted out a number of electrical gremlins with the car whilst it was in their ownership, and AFAIK it was a reasonably well sorted car when it left their ownership. That was a fair few years ago now though and it doesn't take long for the tin worm to get to Carlton's and Senators so it could be anything from pristine to a rust bucket by now.
If stripped for parts I reckon it might make £5-£10K provided the major mechanicals, interior, and body kit find desparate enough new owner(s). I'd rather the car stayed as it is though but 'mid teens' seems a bit steep to me. Having said that, I don't really like or understand the modified car market.
I forgot Dave K had it before him, it would be nice to see it kept as it is but like you say it could be full of rot underneath and behind the bodywork and would it really be worth the expense of saving it?
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I remember it well, was it Jonathan Bennett that was the owner a few years ago?
It`s still a nice car and I always preferred the Senator rear quarter lights to the Carlton.
Yes that name rings a bell, but the owner I'm thinking of is Dave K, or perhaps it was his Father in Law Bob. Those two sorted out a number of electrical gremlins with the car whilst it was in their ownership, and AFAIK it was a reasonably well sorted car when it left their ownership. That was a fair few years ago now though and it doesn't take long for the tin worm to get to Carlton's and Senators so it could be anything from pristine to a rust bucket by now.
If stripped for parts I reckon it might make £5-£10K provided the major mechanicals, interior, and body kit find desparate enough new owner(s). I'd rather the car stayed as it is though but 'mid teens' seems a bit steep to me. Having said that, I don't really like or understand the modified car market.
I forgot Dave K had it before him, it would be nice to see it kept as it is but like you say it could be full of rot underneath and behind the bodywork and would it really be worth the expense of saving it?
Looks like James B is selling it on behalf of his brother, judging by his portfolio of cars under his user-name, although he owned it himself for a while as well.
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
A Lotus Omega Estate sounds fun. Although a 500hp LS engine is probably more effective and cheaper.
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Saw this at Billing a few years ago and was intrigued by it.It's the sort of thing I'd like,however a quick glance at the advert and I don't think I'd go to mid teens for it[even had I the money] as it now stands even though it's a one off rarity.
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
A Lotus Omega Estate sounds fun. Although a 500hp LS engine is probably more effective and cheaper.
It's called a VXR estate. Or import from Australia Holden clubsport.
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
A Lotus Omega Estate sounds fun. Although a 500hp LS engine is probably more effective and cheaper.
It's called a VXR estate. Or import from Australia Holden clubsport.
If we leave the EU, the import duties might become viable... 8)
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
A Lotus Omega Estate sounds fun. Although a 500hp LS engine is probably more effective and cheaper.
It's called a VXR estate. Or import from Australia Holden clubsport.
If we leave the EU, the import duties might become viable... 8)
It's cheaper to import from Australia, including transporting cost, still cheaper than buying a uk vxr.8
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I would like to do the same thing to a facelift Elite Omega. A kind of updated version of what Omegatoy did all those years ago.
Apparently the one he did has been broken up for parts, which is a real shame, as it was a real one off.
A Lotus Omega Estate sounds fun. Although a 500hp LS engine is probably more effective and cheaper.
It's called a VXR estate. Or import from Australia Holden clubsport.
If we leave the EU, the import duties might become viable... 8)
It's cheaper to import from Australia, including transporting cost, still cheaper than buying a uk vxr.8
And something I was seriously looking into as a little project :-\
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Importing from OZ could be a bit of a crap shoot unless,there's someone down there that could be trusted to source a quality car and take on the the export logistics etc.I know that when having a chat with BG a few months back and he did suggest that as I was in the market for an R8 then bringing in a import from down under could have been the way to go,as the road tax would have been cheaper as one advantage.I have plans to buy another R8 and have looked at the UK based cars that are for sale and why buy a ragged to death UK high miler for 20k IF it's possible to import a newer low mileage car from down under.Sounds like plan but not a clue how to kick it off :-\
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Importing from OZ could be a bit of a crap shoot unless,there's someone down there that could be trusted to source a quality car and take on the the export logistics etc.I know that when having a chat with BG a few months back and he did suggest that as I was in the market for an R8 then bringing in a import from down under could have been the way to go,as the road tax would have been cheaper as one advantage.I have plans to buy another R8 and have looked at the UK based cars that are for sale and why buy a ragged to death UK high miler for 20k IF it's possible to import a newer low mileage car from down under.Sounds like plan but not a clue how to kick it off :-\
As I might well be emigrating in the next couple of years... :-X ;)
But my plan was to go for a trip over each time and source vehicles myself. We have very good friends in the Melbourne area and it would make trips out there a little more affordable if there was a contribution coming from an import business. Trouble is, I only see a very limited market for it :-\
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A mate of mine from school was from Aus and ended up working for Holden Special Vehicles. Wish I'd kept in touch. :-[
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There's plenty off companies that will box a car up and arrange shipping to Southampton, based in UK, or you can get monkfish to do the work for you basically they become the agent.
Best of all the steering wheel be on the proper side :y
They source the car, arrange shipping, import etc all for a set fee. It use to cost £2000, to ship a car from Australia in a 20ft box.
Also remember the pound is strong, I think about £1 to $2 aus. 8)
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As I might well be emigrating in the next couple of years... :-X ;)
By the time you get there, Holden, Ford and Toyota will have closed all their factories in Australia. All cars sold in Australia will be imported. Anything sold as a Holden will be a re-badged something else, a bit like most Vauxhalls are produced elsewhere and are re-badged Opels.
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Yep. Holden are dying, sadly. The last properly sorted rear-drive platform in GM's stable.
Big engined rear drive saloons are dinosaurs. It's the Cretaceous period, and the asteroid is coming. :'(
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Importing from OZ could be a bit of a crap shoot unless,there's someone down there that could be trusted to source a quality car and take on the the export logistics etc.I know that when having a chat with BG a few months back and he did suggest that as I was in the market for an R8 then bringing in a import from down under could have been the way to go,as the road tax would have been cheaper as one advantage.I have plans to buy another R8 and have looked at the UK based cars that are for sale and why buy a ragged to death UK high miler for 20k IF it's possible to import a newer low mileage car from down under.Sounds like plan but not a clue how to kick it off :-\
As I might well be emigrating in the next couple of years... :-X ;)
But my plan was to go for a trip over each time and source vehicles myself. We have very good friends in the Melbourne area and it would make trips out there a little more affordable if there was a contribution coming from an import business. Trouble is, I only see a very limited market for it :-\
The factory lpg 3.6 could have potential... ;)
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Ive given up with all this V6 / V8 rubbish, far to impractical, from now on Im going down the 1.4 desmond route, the Omegas are nice big cars with plenty room under the bonnet and in the boot, so fitting 1.4 lumps should't be an issue. .....one for each wheel of course.
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I knew I should have gone for the 2.3 Eco ;D ;D boooooost Mustang ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D : ::):)still never mind.I'll have to rough it now ::)
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I knew I should have gone for the 2.3 Eco ;D ;D boooooost Mustang ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D : ::) :)still never mind.I'll have to rough it now ::)
There are two things against the 2.3 Mustang for me: the bizarre pricing that makes a V8 barely any more expensive; and its appearance.
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There are two things against the 2.3 Mustang for me: the bizarre pricing that makes a V8 barely any more expensive; and its appearance.
.. aside from the ridicule a "4 pot Mustang" would attract wherever you drive it. ;D
The ECOBoost engine does look interesting.. for a kit car or something, but in a Mustang it's about as wrong as the Gen 3 Mustang's styling was. And that's saying something. :o
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There are two things against the 2.3 Mustang for me: the bizarre pricing that makes a V8 barely any more expensive; and its appearance.
.. aside from the ridicule a "4 pot Mustang" would attract wherever you drive it. ;D
The ECOBoost engine does look interesting.. for a kit car or something, but in a Mustang it's about as wrong as the Gen 3 Mustang's styling was. And that's saying something. :o
Many Mustangs have had 4 pots, many more used straight sixes. Some had V8s. Considering the Eco-boost makes considerably more power than the previous 4.6 V8, I still can't understand only a V8 is acceptable cult.
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I almost bought a brand new 5.0 ltr Mustang when shopping for an R8....regrettably it was a left hooker and unbelievably it was 5 grand less than the R8 that I finally settled on.But the UK spec cars are around 35 grand and that was just a bit to rich for me,also smaller engine and no supercharger.but no slouch on the 0-60 figures though. :o
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Nothing like the rumble of the big V8's...it's a willy thing dontcha know? ;)
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Many Mustangs have had 4 pots, many more used straight sixes. Some had V8s. Considering the Eco-boost makes considerably more power than the previous 4.6 V8, I still can't understand only a V8 is acceptable cult.
It's what nitro said. ^ :y
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Also the V8 has a strong following, as I found at the Topcats Racing V8 power launch back in April....hundreds of cars and people,and whichever meet you attend, the numbers show that people would be reluctant to give them up :-*
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...it's a willy thing dontcha know? ;)
That's why I have a 12 .....................................
Year old car :D
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Back on topic ;D
The donor car was indeed mine - Lotus Omega 0128D. The guy that was doing the project was a millionaire and had a bunch of cars including another Senator, a Lotus Carlton (that Dave K ended up buying), an Audi A8 and a Maserati Quattroporte.
The LHD car was stripped of the necessary parts and they were grafted in to the Senator. The rear bumper certainly wouldn't be of any use to a Carlton owner as it was lengthened to fit the Senator.
The shell of 0128D was indeed re-built with a new bulkhead and converted to RHD with parts from a smashed up car (a latish LC IIRC). The last time that 0128D surfaced was over 10 years ago at Trax and the guy left early as it started to smell of (electrical burning) smoke :-[
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if anyone is genuinely interested in buying the LS, I can give some insight into it during my (well, Bob's) ownership. The auto box definitely suits it - the acceleration is seamless without the need to interrupt proceedings in order to change gear.
DK
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Well, it's certainly generated interest, that's for sure. The gearbox alone was, if I remember right, something a but special, which took a while to get right (or even custom build rings a bell?) Good to hear you're about, James! Please give my kindest regards to your old man, for me. See you both at Billing soon :y.
James :)
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Thanks for the welcome back. ;D
Likely to be here more again now. Sense and wisdom (aka middle age) have caught up with me and I waved goodbye to my 7 Series last weekend and will pressing the Steinmetz Omega back in to occasional service now when the wife's car isn't available. After 3 1/2 years in 'the care' of my parents, it needs some work - a list that is ever growing :(
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ahh, good stuff! Not a BMW man, but nothing wrong with a 7 series. Would be good to see more of the 'VT' for sure. the PFL club is an ever-shrinking one. :)