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Title: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:00:37
A few weeks back I carelessly 'lost' my daughter's wireless conection to the internet via an Orange Livebox-1330. The only thing I could put it down to was removal of power when I was decorating ie removing sockets. As daughter was mostly at uni at the time it was something that could be lived with until I (or someone who knew what they were doing   :-[ ) could sort it.
Today I've brought home a replacement Dell laptop for her (problem with charging on her old Gateway) and I can't make it 'talk' to the internet.
I can get as far as the screen asking me for the keycode from the bottom of the modem (how do I tell a zero from an Oscar?), it can see it, as it can the Sky box from next door - signal is apparently strong. However I then get the message that "Windows cannot connect to Livebox-1330 due to an unknown error"
HELP!!!!  :(  :y
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Entwood on 03 July 2008, 00:03:57
Might sound daft .. but check your windows firewall settings, and any other firewall you may have running .

The windows one in particular is a pig .. it doesn't tell you its blocking things. As a small test, disable all firewalls, try and connect .. if it does then its a firewall config problem .. :)
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:06:42
I had a bit of bother setting up my mates orange livebox.  All you need to do is reset it.  Look at the front of the livebox there should be 2 buttons there - "1" and "2".  Press and hold down the button marked "1", it will then reset.  The WAP security key is a numeric "0" not an "o".
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:07:33
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Might sound daft .. but check your windows firewall settings, and any other firewall you may have running .

The windows one in particular is a pig .. it doesn't tell you its blocking things. As a small test, disable all firewalls, try and connect .. if it does then its a firewall config problem .. :)

Thanks Nigel.
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:11:33
I'd seen reference to the two buttons before, but couldn't find it again.
Do I need the spaces in the code? Or do I just enter all in one block?
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:15:12
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..... As a small test, disable all firewalls, try and connect .. if it does then its a firewall config problem .. :)

 :( Still no wireless.  :'(
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:15:24
Enter it in one block, no spaces (make sure it's the WPA key you're entering.  The buttons aren't on the back of it like every other router on the planet!  On one of the sides there is a cutaway with two buttons - press and hold the button marked "1".
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:17:37
Think it's capitols as well so try with Caps lock on.
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:20:30
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Enter it in one block, no spaces (make sure it's the WPA key you're entering.  The buttons aren't on the back of it like every other router on the planet!  On one of the sides there is a cutaway with two buttons - press and hold the button marked "1".

It's marked up as 'security code' & there are 26 digits in it. When I press button 1, how long, should something happen, buzz, light? Nothing seems to happen when I've pressed it for 10/15 secs
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:21:33
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Think it's capitols as well so try with Caps lock on.

Tried it. You have the option of seeing the characters you're putting in rather than just a start or dot.

Looks like I might be on the phone to some Orange Indian in the morning.  ::)
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:25:56
I would imagine 10/15 seconds is enough.  You could always try button 2 (won't do any harm I pressed both at the time), my memory has no doubt let me down once again!  That's the correct key you've entered.  

Just thought of another possibility and one that's very likely...

The new laptop may only accept WEP keys like mine.  I know for a fact your router is set up as default for a WPA key.  

First try resetting it with the number "2" button I would expect the lights to turn off, then back on when it resets.  Then enter the key with capitols first - if that doesn't work try it without the capitols.  

See if that works first if not we'll try to set it up with a WEP key.
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:32:11
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I would imagine 10/15 seconds is enough.  You could always try button 2 (won't do any harm I pressed both at the time), my memory has no doubt let me down once again!  That's the correct key you've entered.  

Just thought of another possibility and one that's very likely...

The new laptop may only accept WEP keys like mine.  I know for a fact your router is set up as default for a WPA key.  

First try resetting it with the number "2" button I would expect the lights to turn off, then back on when it resets.  Then enter the key with capitols first - if that doesn't work try it without the capitols.  

See if that works first if not we'll try to set it up with a WEP key.

Tried it with both upper & lower case! Still nowt! :(
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:41:09
Do you have a ethernet cable?  Can you get online with that plugged in?  If so, you need to change the routers security method to WEP not WPA (set as default).  What model of Dell laptop is it?  
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:46:19
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Do you have a ethernet cable?  Can you get online with that plugged in?  If so, you need to change the routers security method to WEP not WPA (set as default).  What model of Dell laptop is it?  

The only cable I have is the one I'm using now!
The Dell is this one:- http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.203-9328.aspx
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 00:54:59
Try this...

Type 192.168.1.1 to bring up the router settings.
Once at the settings screen click
Configuration>Advanced>Wireless
Select WEP security only and see if that gets you on.
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 01:06:00
Here's the instructions straight off the help section on the orange livebox website...

http://help.orange.co.uk/resultDisplay.do?gotoLink=182&docType=1006&contextId=125:182.244&docPropValue=kb17888&clusterName=DefaultCluster&contentId=f6101e62-d437-4e53-b850-85d39887db5a&responseId=8d2e8ca9895d3ec8:100ebec:11ae58f5842:5ec8&groupId=1&answerGroup=1&score=730&page=http://ESERVER_20a80ecf-8faa-4b3c-a2c2-faab712342eb.xhtml&result=0&excerpt=Siemens+wireless+router+-+change+security+settings+to+WEP+only&resultType=5002#Goto182

It's some size of link because I used the search function...
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 09:58:55
I'm online via the laptop!!

I don't know what I've just done different from last night ...... but who cares! I've done it!

One easy question for you. I've done it before but can't remember how. :-[ When you open a new tab using Vista, how do you make it automatically go to your 'Home Page'?
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Drewomega on 03 July 2008, 11:20:38
Sorry to jump in! Re "home page"..........start--control panel--internet settings--general--home page......then type your "home page" aol, yahoo, google etc.   :y
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 11:31:29
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Sorry to jump in! Re "home page"..........start--control panel--internet settings--general--home page......then type your "home page" aol, yahoo, google etc.   :y


Thanks Drew. I was having problems making the new tab go direrectly to the set home page. I had actually ticked the correct box but it wouldn't play ball. Sorted now though but thanks again.
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: rickyboy on 03 July 2008, 11:46:59
Glad you've got it working Andy.  Nice one!  :y
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 14:41:42
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Glad you've got it working Andy.  Nice one!  :y

Thanks. I was having one last try, but put the WPA WEP (?) seetings back to how it was, put the code in (can't even remember now whether I used capitals or not ::)) & the laptop top connected!

I'll She'll be able to surf from the couch now!  ;D  :y
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 24 July 2008, 15:54:04
 :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
I've lost use of my main PC cos daughter's laptop seems to have lost its interweb connection!  :(
"The wireless security settings on this computer do not match the settings on the Livebox-1330" is the message she is now getting on the laptop. She says that all was well one minute & then the connection just went.
I've tried resetting the Livebox by pressing & hold button 1 on the side till the antena(sp?) led started to flash, & putting the long security key in again.
When I go to 'connect to' on the laptop I get the screen with the various neighbours connections available, & instead of the graph like indiction of signal strength available she just has a red cross against our Livebox, however if  turn off the wireless & then turn it back again, it shows our Livebox signal strength at max.  :-/ :-/ :-/

That's me now at the limit of my PC knowledge.

Any ideas or suggestions greatfully recieved
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Entwood on 24 July 2008, 16:20:45
Check that windows firewall is not blocking you .. control panel/security windows firewall .. turn it off !!  see what happens.

Windows firewall often resets itself if you do an automatic update.. its a pain in the arse.

I have autoupdates turned off, and windows firewall off permanently. I use an independent firewall which actually TELLS me when it blocks something ... unlike windows firewall which just does its own thing whenever it wants !!

Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 24 July 2008, 16:29:53
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Check that windows firewall is not blocking you .. control panel/security windows firewall .. turn it off !!  see what happens.

Windows firewall often resets itself if you do an automatic update.. its a pain in the arse. .....

On the main PC?  
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Entwood on 24 July 2008, 16:31:37
yes ... I reckon the livebox is OK .. it's the computor that's not talking !!
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Andy B on 24 July 2008, 17:15:28
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yes ... I reckon the livebox is OK .. it's the computor that's not talking !!

I'll see what I can find. I'm off under my car now. The MOT tester said that there was the start of some play in a steering idler, I've been intending to have a look.
The MOT ran out yesterday.  :-[   ::)
Title: Re: wireless internet
Post by: Growler on 24 July 2008, 21:31:01
I haven't done these sort of routers for a couple of years but i remember there is a connection mode with turns off after a certain time