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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Shackeng on 02 July 2016, 11:06:22
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a21638/portable-dvd-player-tesla-autopilot-crash/ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Probably watching porn on the DVD player ::)
I wonder if his hands were on the wheel at the time of the crash :-\ :D
If he has whiplash, i'd love to see him explain that one on the claims form ;D ;D
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Probably watching porn on the DVD player ::)
I wonder if his hands were on the wheel at the time of the crash :-\ :D
If he has whiplash, i'd love to see him explain that one on the claims form ;D ;D
He was cleary distracted away from the road, to have not intervened, but was killed by the fact that the trailer didn't have underrun protection... roof was sliced off as the car passed underneath it...
Technical detail here (no gore)... https://youtu.be/s8AHzY7xr10
Had this crash happened with a european trailer, then the driver would still be alive. Not the fault of the car, but rather an unfortunate combination of circumstances. He should have taken evasive action upon seeing the truck, but I suspect that he was waiting to see how the car responded. That the car didn't react is down to the timing of the incident... Tesla blame the truck colour and sunlight rendering the truck near invisible, add in the 25-30' gap under the trailer with nothing for the car to pick up, and you can see how it happened...
A couple of his videos showing the capability of the cars autopilot...
A 12 hour trip in timelapse https://youtu.be/Z8G4N89ESWY
Car defends itself from a crappy lane change: https://youtu.be/y4bQBJ2Cfqk
Autopilot in town, listen to what he says, and also read notes on video... : https://youtu.be/69zCIxuxTj0
As a strong advocate of the Tesla, and it's capabilities, it is possible that he had become complacent or overconfident of it... a shame then that his death will be remembered for his mistake rather than for the underlying safety omission of underrun protection on trucks... :-\
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Wouldn't want one of these at any price, if you don't enjoy driving get a cab 😂😂😂
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People seem to be missing the elephant in the room with electric and hybrid cars.
I looked into an Infiniti M35h which comes with a paltry 5 year warranty on the lithium battery pack.
Cost to replace £20,000+ :o :o :o effectively rendering the car as scrap as soon as the battery fails. This is usually 6-8 years.
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Doctor G,
Having seen several RTC's invloving HGV's that do have underun protection I doubt that that would have saved the driver. Only saying this from experience mind. If the car is going quickly enough upon impact any protection whether it be struts along the belly or impact beams the cars natural thing to do upon the impact will make it dig down into the road and inevitably under said safety mechanisms. I've seen a few, as recently as boxing day last year where a BMW got peeled back like a tin can underneath a fully loaded HGV, driver sadly died upon impact. :-\ :-\ :-\
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People seem to be missing the elephant in the room with electric and hybrid cars.
I looked into an Infiniti M35h which comes with a paltry 5 year warranty on the lithium battery pack.
Cost to replace £20,000+ :o :o :o effectively rendering the car as scrap as soon as the battery fails. This is usually 6-8 years.
^^^ What he said. :y
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Doctor G,
Having seen several RTC's invloving HGV's that do have underun protection I doubt that that would have saved the driver. Only saying this from experience mind. If the car is going quickly enough upon impact any protection whether it be struts along the belly or impact beams the cars natural thing to do upon the impact will make it dig down into the road and inevitably under said safety mechanisms. I've seen a few, as recently as boxing day this year where a BMW got peeled back like a tin can underneath a fully loaded HGV, driver sadly died upon impact. :-\ :-\ :-\
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Driver error, possibly fell asleep, therefore didn't see a bloody great 45ft white box along side him.
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Theres no strength requirements for hgv side under run bars. They are more for pedestrian safety.
At mot time, dimensions are the things that are checked. Overall they are quite lightweight and flimsy are are in no way designed to prevent a vehicle travelling with any gusto from going underneath.
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Didn't the tesla guys watch any of the Terminator films,give computers a mind of their own and they'll kill you. ;D
John
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Point being that a bit more metal lower down and the car might have 'seen' the trailer... Clearly both driver and car failed to spot it, so neither reacted...
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Autopilots have been used in aviation and the marine environment for decades, but at the end of the day it is up to the crew to monitor the systems no system like this no matter how sophisticated is 100% perfect, though Tesla are certainly leading the field, feel sorry for the relatives left behind to pick up the pieces. Guess he won't be charged?
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Autopilots have been used in aviation and the marine environment for decades, but at the end of the day it is up to the crew to monitor the systems no system like this no matter how sophisticated is 100% perfect, though Tesla are certainly leading the field, feel sorry for the relatives left behind to pick up the pieces. Guess he won't be charged?
Moot point.
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Probably watching porn on the DVD player ::)
I wonder if his hands were on the wheel at the time of the crash :-\ :D
If he has whiplash, i'd love to see him explain that one on the claims form ;D ;D
oops ::)
Didn't realise that the driver had lost his head literally ::)
Maybe have a problem making a claim then :-[
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Portable DVD player reportedly found in car.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-dvd-idUSKCN0ZH5BW
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Portable DVD player reportedly found in car.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-dvd-idUSKCN0ZH5BW
No mention of anyone else in the car, but he did regularly drive 1,200 miles from Virginia to Florida with family in the car including his children...
No more conclusive than finding a half drunk coffee in the passenger footwell following a crash...
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Portable DVD player reportedly found in car.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-dvd-idUSKCN0ZH5BW
No mention of anyone else in the car, but he did regularly drive 1,200 miles from Virginia to Florida with family in the car including his children...
No more conclusive than finding a half drunk coffee in the passenger footwell following a crash...
Read #8.
Also what's conclusive about finding 1/2 a cup of coffee in a crashed vehicle, most Muppets now drink red bull, (other sh%t is available)
IF YOUR TIRED STOP HAVE A NAP.
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That's my point... A dvd player is no more conclusive than a half drunk coffee...
Even if he was asleep the car should have reacted to the truck... The Tesla system works by alerting the driver to a situation. If the driver fails to respond then the car should stop. Clearly the car either failed to 'see' the truck or didn't have time to respond to the driver not resuming control...
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Autopilots have been used in aviation and the marine environment for decades, but at the end of the day it is up to the crew to monitor the systems no system like this no matter how sophisticated is 100% perfect, though Tesla are certainly leading the field, feel sorry for the relatives left behind to pick up the pieces. Guess he won't be charged?
Autopilots in aviation also work in a controlled environment where everything that's there is known about. On top of that, aircraft in that airspace all carry transponders that positively locate them so systems know where other traffic is without having to rely on a camera and some image processing. Expecting a car to be able to drive autonomously in the environment in which it is used is daft, and I'm not sure why it's so hyped at the moment other than our apparent inability to teach people to drive these days.
As said, if you can't be @rsed to pay attention when driving, taxis, buses and trains are available.
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Autopilots have been used in aviation and the marine environment for decades, but at the end of the day it is up to the crew to monitor the systems no system like this no matter how sophisticated is 100% perfect, though Tesla are certainly leading the field, feel sorry for the relatives left behind to pick up the pieces. Guess he won't be charged?
Autopilots in aviation also work in a controlled environment where everything that's there is known about. On top of that, aircraft in that airspace all carry transponders that positively locate them so systems know where other traffic is without having to rely on a camera and some image processing. Expecting a car to be able to drive autonomously in the environment in which it is used is daft, and I'm not sure why it's so hyped at the moment other than our apparent inability to teach people to drive these days.
As said, if you can't be @rsed to pay attention when driving, taxis, buses and trains are available.
In the US with generally poor to non-existent public transport, not being able to drive due to age or disability is a major problem and after reducing accidents, injuries and deaths it is number two on Google's priorities list.
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Autopilots have been used in aviation and the marine environment for decades, but at the end of the day it is up to the crew to monitor the systems no system like this no matter how sophisticated is 100% perfect, though Tesla are certainly leading the field, feel sorry for the relatives left behind to pick up the pieces. Guess he won't be charged?
Autopilots in aviation also work in a controlled environment where everything that's there is known about. On top of that, aircraft in that airspace all carry transponders that positively locate them so systems know where other traffic is without having to rely on a camera and some image processing. Expecting a car to be able to drive autonomously in the environment in which it is used is daft, and I'm not sure why it's so hyped at the moment other than our apparent inability to teach people to drive these days.
As said, if you can't be @rsed to pay attention when driving, taxis, buses and trains are available.
In the US with generally poor to non-existent public transport, not being able to drive due to age or disability is a major problem and after reducing accidents, injuries and deaths it is number two on Google's priorities list.
Seems a bit of a roundabout way of fixing public transport and accessibility, but no worse than their "solution" to gun crime, I suppose. ::)
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Slighty off topic, called in a pub called The Elveden Inn, near Thetford Forest Centre Parcs, and they were setting up a row of Tesla charging points. Had Tesla there too so went for a look. Guys were very friendly and answered all of my questions.
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Portable DVD player reportedly found in car.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-dvd-idUSKCN0ZH5BW
See OP #1. :y
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Slighty off topic, called in a pub called The Elveden Inn, near Thetford Forest Centre Parcs, and they were setting up a row of Tesla charging points. Had Tesla there too so went for a look. Guys were very friendly and answered all of my questions.
Does that mean you can get all the way to Norwich in an electric car now? :o
Best inform the locals before they start burning the drivers at the stake. ;D
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Says the charge time is 1hr, and it,s FREE. Car cost 50k though.
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Says the charge time is 1hr, and it,s FREE. Car cost 50k though.
Worth every penny... They're beautifully put together 8)
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They really are. If I could justify the cost on a commuting car I'd get the P60
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Had one in front of us yesterday on the MK roundabout circuit, definitely has some ooomph. :y
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They really are. If I could justify the cost on a commuting car I'd get the P60
Do the maths carefully... the fuel savings go along way towards the lease cost... :y
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They really are. If I could justify the cost on a commuting car I'd get the P60
Do the maths carefully... the fuel savings go along way towards the lease cost... :y
Oh I did :) It comes out to more or less the same cost as a cheapish (brand new) Diesel doing ~55mpg (Honda CR-V, say), once you factor fuel in.. but it's still ~£650/mo..
Plus the trouble with leasing is having to say "I'll be doing 25k p/a" at the outset when that's highly likely to reduce over time .. so I'd more likely get a regular loan for something slightly older; I'd quite like a VW Toerag..
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They really are. If I could justify the cost on a commuting car I'd get the P60
Do the maths carefully... the fuel savings go along way towards the lease cost... :y
Oh I did :) It comes out to more or less the same cost as a cheapish (brand new) Diesel doing ~55mpg (Honda CR-V, say), once you factor fuel in.. but it's still ~£650/mo..
Plus the trouble with leasing is having to say "I'll be doing 25k p/a" at the outset when that's highly likely to reduce over time .. so I'd more likely get a regular loan for something slightly older; I'd quite like a VW Toerag..
Good call 8) :y :y
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Phaeton is always tempting, they are seriously cheap now for a once £60k car.
But even the diesel only does 29 to the gallon :(
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Phaeton is always tempting, they are seriously cheap now for a once £60k car.
But even the diesel only does 29 to the gallon :(
That's because it's a rough 3.0v6 driving a 2.7 ton four wheel drive brick via a Slushbox ;D
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A tesla, is just to make, Rupert and Chardonnay feel good about saving polar bears, and people who can afford a £60k car on the company, can say they have a smaller green footprint. When milk floats become available to us, they will be knanclerd and need new power packs, :-X
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Good call 8) :y :y
I'd forgotten you'd got one Henry - clearly you think it's a good car :y What kind of economy do you see on a run in it?
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Good call 8) :y :y
I'd forgotten you'd got one Henry - clearly you think it's a good car :y What kind of economy do you see on a run in it?
Tesla will be cheaper ;D
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Probably.. I'm desperately trying to stick with something that can tow 3t though, even though I'll only have done that once with the truck in the time I've owned it ;D
.. no, it's not a sensible route forward really ;D
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Probably.. I'm desperately trying to stick with something that can tow 3t though, even though I'll only have done that once with the truck in the time I've owned it ;D
.. no, it's not a sensible route forward really ;D
https://transportevolved.com/2014/06/24/can-tow-tesla-model-s-one-owner-answers-emphatic-yes/ :-X
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;D ;D Aside from the legalities .. I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to go drilling holes in £50k worth of Tesla on PCP!
I suppose if he ran out of lectrickery he could always just fire the genny up.. ;D
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;D ;D Aside from the legalities .. I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to go drilling holes in £50k worth of Tesla on PCP!
I suppose if he ran out of lectrickery he could always just fire the genny up.. ;D
A couple of hundred quids worth of aluminium plate and a tight welder and no one would ever know ;D
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Incidentally, the Model X has a 5000lb towing capacity :y
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Saw on teletext last night that they are investigating another crash in the states.
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Incidentally, the Model X has a 5000lb towing capacity :y
In this country or the US? They always seem to vary greatly.. I wouldn't be surprised to see it with a healthy towing capacity in the US and 0Kg rated in the EU..
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Don't know tbh... is on the Model X microsite...
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Good call 8) :y :y
I'd forgotten you'd got one Henry - clearly you think it's a good car :y What kind of economy do you see on a run in it?
Pm replied too :y