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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Terbs on 31 August 2016, 09:18:38
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Don't know if any of you watched South Today news on TV, but evidently there was another crash on the A34, near that bad one.
But to show their stupidity, South Today put a correspondent in a lorry to drive on the A34 and get his responses to questions about the road.
The questions asked of the driver were....Should Lorries be confined to the inside lane :o
Should there be 'Crawler lanes' ???
What would be the best safety improvement. :)
Imo....three lanes is the only way to go. Crawler lanes result in lorries still having to join the main carriageway.
Banning lorries to the inside lane is absurd.
When questioned about the main public hate...lorries overtaking at 1mph faster than the vehicle being overtaken, and taking sometimes miles to get past, was to get rid of limiters!!! Can't comment as I know nothing on that subject.
However, three lanes opens it up to the publics next main hate...middle lane hoggers !!!!!! >:(
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Yes, well, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. ;D
Some of the hills on the A34 make it particularly irritating when two lorries try to have a "snail race" and the sections where they have banned lorries from the outside lane work well, IMHO.
I have thought for a while that HGV limiters should be interactive, so that, if they detect an HGV gaining on the another HGV ahead because of a difference in the limiter setting, the two adjust themselves to the same speed.
Companies who set their limiters slower than the speed limit actively promote "snail racing" too, but let's not let the efficiency of the road network take precedence over them saving a bit of diesel. >:(
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There are two different problems:
We have lots of traffic in too small an area. The most effective way of reducing that would be to insist that all vehicles are filled to at least 50% of their load or passenger capacity at all times. So that's not going to happen without several fundamental changes to society.
Many drivers are temperamentally unsuited to driving. You see them every time you use the roads; hooting, gesturing, tailgating, fill in your own examples. Roadside executions are probably the only workable solution to this, but who wants to live like that?
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
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There are two different problems:
We have lots of traffic in too small an area. The most effective way of reducing that would be to insist that all vehicles are filled to at least 50% of their load or passenger capacity at all times. So that's not going to happen without several fundamental changes to society.
Many drivers are temperamentally unsuited to driving. You see them every time you use the roads; hooting, gesturing, tailgating, fill in your own examples. Roadside executions are probably the only workable solution to this, but who wants to live like that?
Valids point, IMHO. There is another option, which I tend to try and make use of whenever it's possible: Drive at unpopular times when traffic is light.
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Yep. one lane doing 58 MPH. Another lane where you get tailgated if you slow down to below 120. What's not to like?
They just need to ban vehicles with maximum speeds between 58 MPH and 120 MPH. :y
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There are two different problems:
We have lots of traffic in too small an area. The most effective way of reducing that would be to insist that all vehicles are filled to at least 50% of their load or passenger capacity at all times. So that's not going to happen without several fundamental changes to society.
Many drivers are temperamentally unsuited to driving. You see them every time you use the roads; hooting, gesturing, tailgating, fill in your own examples. Roadside executions are probably the only workable solution to this, but who wants to live like that?
Valids point, IMHO. There is another option, which I tend to try and make use of whenever it's possible: Drive at unpopular times when traffic is light.
You'll never make management if you insist on speaking common sense :D
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Yep. one lane doing 58 MPH. Another lane where you get tailgated if you slow down to below 120. What's not to like?
They just need to ban vehicles with maximum speeds between 58 MPH and 120 MPH. :y
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That's what the middle lane is for on the three lane bits... ::)
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Driven in Euroland in which Lorries are banned from over-taking at peak times, works well in my view. Traffic just flowed better, lots of Lorries trundling along in lane 1, lanes 2/3 flowing much faster.
So ban for them on A34 gets my vote, as it's not exactly flat around there. Often seen the Lorry that is over taking is fat heavy with a load and only a 380hp. Slight hill and the lightly loaded 420/440's have no issue and damn things pull back in after not actually completing an overtake.
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There are two different problems:
We have lots of traffic in too small an area. The most effective way of reducing that would be to insist that all vehicles are filled to at least 50% of their load or passenger capacity at all times. So that's not going to happen without several fundamental changes to society.
Many drivers are temperamentally unsuited to driving. You see them every time you use the roads; hooting, gesturing, tailgating, fill in your own examples. Roadside executions are probably the only workable solution to this, but who wants to live like that?
Valids point, IMHO. There is another option, which I tend to try and make use of whenever it's possible: Drive at unpopular times when traffic is light.
You'll never make management if you insist on speaking common sense :D
Just as well. They'd probably make me drive a BMW. :P
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
It does work in Germany, although it's not a rule that applies across the autobahn, but on sections that confine HGV's to the inside lane allowing traffic to pass. ;)
When I was a lorryist, I used to back off a little if another truck tried to overtake so that he could get past me and it should be illegal not to do so IMO. :y
I once caused a massive tailback on the M6 where I went to overtake another truck on a hill. ::) I nearly got past him, then the road flattened and he was a little faster than me on the flat and started creeping up my nearside until he was nearly clear, but then there was another hill where I was faster and started to overtake until the road flattened again. This went on for about 20 miles and every time our cabs were level I beeped the guy but he steadfastly ignored me >:( , in the meantime another truck had tucked in behind the first truck in the inside lane so I could'nt back off and get back in the inside lane, so I was stuck in the middle! >:( Eventually the truck turned off and I was able to get back in the inside lane, to be passed by loads of mostly Irish trucks (faster or no limiters) throwing abuse at me as they went by. :-[ ::) ;D
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When I was a lorryist, I used to back off a little if another truck tried to overtake so that he could get past me and it should be illegal not to do so IMO. :y
I've always wondered why that's so obvious yet apparently impossible. ::)
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When I was a lorryist, I used to back off a little if another truck tried to overtake so that he could get past me and it should be illegal not to do so IMO. :y
I've always wondered why that's so obvious yet apparently impossible. ::)
BTSD syndrome! ;D
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Only on certain stretches' of road at certain times, and it's 60kmh, also its heavily enforced €100-500 fine.
The stretch's in this country, are pointless, due to the difference and time saved by mr A4 company Audi is 1 whole minute.
Never yet seen or heard of a lorryist, being stopped, or fined for ignoring the restriction on the A14,or A34 or A1 at Durham.
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Only on certain stretches' of road at certain times, and it's 60kmh, also its heavily enforced €100-500 fine.
The stretch's in this country, are pointless, due to the difference and time saved by mr A4 company Audi is 1 whole minute.
Never yet seen or heard of a lorryist, being stopped, or fined for ignoring the restriction on the A14,or A34 or A1 at Durham.
.. and, of course, a lorryist saves so much more time when he's spent 3 miles overtaking a single vehicle. ;)
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Only on certain stretches' of road at certain times, and it's 60kmh, also its heavily enforced €100-500 fine.
The stretch's in this country, are pointless, due to the difference and time saved by mr A4 company Audi is 1 whole minute.
Never yet seen or heard of a lorryist, being stopped, or fined for ignoring the restriction on the A14,or A34 or A1 at Durham.
.. and, of course, a lorryist saves so much more time when he's spent 3 miles overtaking a single vehicle. ;)
Last one to the layby for a tachographworking time break, gets to buy the tissues ;D
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.. and, of course, a lorryist saves so much more time when he's spent 3 miles overtaking a single vehicle. ;)
Just the 3 miles ....... ::)
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Trouble with that tho' , quite a few of the supermarkets have their trucks limiters set to 50mph.
So if your in a truck behind a Tesco's truck how frustrated are you going to get sitting there at 50mph :-\
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Trouble with that tho' , quite a few of the supermarkets have their trucks limiters set to 50mph.
So if your in a truck behind a Tesco's truck how frustrated are you going to get sitting there at 50mph :-\
Not as frustrating as having to stop every two hours for enforced breaks :-X
Besides, you're not supposed to attempt an overtake with less than 10% speed differential ::)
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Lorries confined to nearside lane works in Germany... :-X
Trouble with that tho' , quite a few of the supermarkets have their trucks limiters set to 50mph.
So if your in a truck behind a Tesco's truck how frustrated are you going to get sitting there at 50mph :-\
As frustrated as those that are waiting for you hurry up & overtake or ***k off back to the nearside lane and let us through. Nothing p***s me off more than when going east toward Halifax etc on the M62 where it's 4 lanes wide and lanes 1, 2 & 3 are filled with HGVs doing 55.7 55.8 55.9 while lane 4 is left for us mere mortals in a car .... which is when you then get some pleb that wants to do 60 in the outside lane!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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TBH, the problems on the A34 aren't due to HGVs. They are due to the piss poor quality of car drivers we have.
I suspect when the findings come out about these accidents, it'll be something like a car giving a quick flick of an indicator means he has right of way to pull out, irrespective of the amount of adverse affect it has on anyone else... ...plus maybe the amount of undertaking due to nobody ever getting in (which the A34 is very bad at).
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TBH, the problems on the A34 aren't due to HGVs. They are due to the piss poor quality of car drivers we have.
I suspect when the findings come out about these accidents, it'll be something like a car giving a quick flick of an indicator means he has right of way to pull out, irrespective of the amount of adverse affect it has on anyone else... ...plus maybe the amount of undertaking due to nobody ever getting in (which the A34 is very bad at).
:y Agreed.
I have a full HGV licence (1&2), but never yet had to use it to earn a living. Taking lessons in 2013, and the tests, was probably the hardest thing I'd done since military training in another life ::).
It changed me as a car driver for good . yes I've seen some pretty poor driving - but most are all too keen to pile blame on the truck driver who not only has to manage something they cant see half of - but try and predict what the totally ignorant captain of mere 1 ton tin capsule is going to attempt within 3 feet of them. Make cameras/black boxes compulsory in cars too and then lets look at the real stats >:(
Don't even get me started on cyclists in London.
BTW - I do feel very sorry for the losses Terbert. Basically someone f88ked up and people lost their lives. Too many people treat driving as a secondary responsibility when behind the wheel rather than giving it their undivided attention :-[. The A34 bites you if you're not paying attention to what's happening around you 100% - lorry and car drivers alike unfortunately.........