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Title: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 12:45:33
I've decided to go with the latest version of what she is already wearing. I believe TB is a big fan. :)

Goodyear Eagle F1 As3 225/45/17 (91Y)....£64.99

                                     Wheel balance...£6.75

                                     Standard valve...£4.75

                                     Tyre disposal.....£1.50

                                     Home fitting.......FREE

   
                                     TOTAL..................£77.99 each.


The 'fronts' have already lasted 13500 miles and are still legal. I'm quite surprised as the same tyres lasted barely 11000 miles on the rear of my 2.6 MV6, a car with  80 BHP and 80 lb ft less of twist to deal with.


Strange. ??? 
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: STEMO on 02 December 2016, 13:36:39
My astra has done 31,000 miles and the rears are original.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 13:48:11
My astra has done 31,000 miles and the rears are original.

How many miles from the front (driving wheels)?
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 13:50:20
.....with barely enough grunt to pull the skin off a rice pudding they should last quite well. :)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: STEMO on 02 December 2016, 13:50:42
My astra has done 31,000 miles and the rears are original.

How many miles from the front (driving wheels)?
I had them changed at 27,000 miles.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: STEMO on 02 December 2016, 13:51:51
I like to think it's my driving style  :P








Maybe, a bit, due to lack of power.  ::)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 13:52:32
My astra has done 31,000 miles and the rears are original.

How many miles from the front (driving wheels)?
I had them changed at 27,000 miles.

Impressive. Almost Tunniesque. :)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: STEMO on 02 December 2016, 13:55:05
No need for grippy replacements either.  ;D
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 13:57:41
No need for grippy replacements either.  ;D

The cost of replacement tyres seem quite reasonable at present.

A few year back I would have paid £100 a corner, not £77.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: STEMO on 02 December 2016, 13:59:37
I paid £60 odd for my fronts....I suppose you'd call them mid range. General tire......Yank company.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 14:06:25
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 14:09:15
I paid £60 odd for my fronts....I suppose you'd call them mid range. General tire......Yank company.

I think the yanks should be compelled to use 'British english'

The word is centre......not center

The word is colour.......not color.

Perhaps we should start a war and take back the colonies. :)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 14:10:14
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 14:34:35
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)

About 36 things of the stuff.

I can quite easily make them loose traction, perhaps more diesel torque than anything else.  :-\
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 December 2016, 14:37:47
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)

About 36 things of the stuff.

I can quite easily make them loose traction, perhaps more diesel torque than anything else.  :-\
That's why they feel average...
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 December 2016, 15:48:33
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)

About 36 things of the stuff.

I can quite easily make them loose traction, perhaps more diesel torque driving the wrong wheels than anything else.  :-\
That's why they feel average...

FTFY. ;)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 December 2016, 16:14:24
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)

About 36 things of the stuff.

I can quite easily make them loose traction, perhaps more diesel torque than anything else.  :-\

TB would probably mutter something about inadequate VW chassis design. ;)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 December 2016, 16:44:29
I paid £60 odd for my fronts....I suppose you'd call them mid range. General tire......Yank company.

I think the yanks should be compelled to use 'British english'

The word is centre......not center

The word is colour.......not color.

Perhaps we should start a war and take back the colonies. :)

We've got to take ourselves back first M'lud!  ::)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: TheBoy on 02 December 2016, 16:50:54
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.
I was unimpressed with performance.  And the fact I've had 3 failures out of 6 tyres isn't a good record either.

Religiously, 33psi front, 31psi rear.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: TheBoy on 02 December 2016, 16:55:48
I have Goodyear Eagle F1 As2's on the front of the VW, not brilliant I must say. Average performance.

Do you have any air in them? :) ;)

About 36 things of the stuff.

I can quite easily make them loose traction, perhaps more diesel torque than anything else.  :-\

TB would probably mutter something about inadequate VW chassis design. ;)
Any FWD car can wheelspin with ease. That GY just makes it happen all the time when you don't want it to  :-[


Although that Passat/A4/Superb chassis isn't that great, which doesn't help...  ...but adequate for an Alhambra :P
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 18:46:40
Think the rear of a BMW 235i I drove tonight had michelin super pilot sport 3? Those broke traction easily as well  ;D

Very easily  :o  :D
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 December 2016, 20:15:49
As quite it should with that torque...

Damn sight more enjoyable/informative/progressive*
than a wwd diesel grotbox I shouldn't wonder ::)

* delete as applicable ;)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 02 December 2016, 21:11:59
I preferred my VW, BMW ride very firm it was a M Spec 235. Very few chances to deploy the power on the commute.

You can actually enjoy driving without pushing the limits, just driving normally can be enjoyable.

But that's again for the insult on my car choice.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 December 2016, 21:45:01
You're welcome  :-*

Don't forget, I have had the dubious honour of doing 135K miles, from new, in a VAG wwd grotbox... ::)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 03 December 2016, 02:18:02
As quite it should with that torque...

Damn sight more enjoyable/informative/progressive*
than a wwd diesel grotbox I shouldn't wonder ::)

* delete as applicable ;)

I'm running the updated version of that car and it is a real hoot! Coming back tonight at midnight down a deserted B road, even in the wet and cold the Michellin Pilot SS give great feedback, although you can definitely tell they're a summer tyre!

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I preferred my VW, BMW ride very firm it was a M Spec 235. Very few chances to deploy the power on the commute.

This is my one criticism of the car, or perhaps our road network. It doesn't deal well with lumpy tarmac. I'll be interested to see what effect changing down to some 17" winter wheels has on the ride/handling.

 If I had my time over I probably would have picked a 140i and saved some money. The 140i has more power than you can (with any good sense) deploy on a public road. As for the full fat M-cars, they must be strictly for willy-waving purposes only, you'd have to be certifiable to give them the berries on a public road!?

Personally I've liked the vw's I've been in. Always seemed solid and well appointed inside. TBH if my ar$e had fitted in the seat, I probably would have had a golf r rather than the bimmer.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 December 2016, 12:33:34
As quite it should with that torque...

Damn sight more enjoyable/informative/progressive*
than a wwd diesel grotbox I shouldn't wonder ::)

* delete as applicable ;)

I'm running the updated version of that car and it is a real hoot! Coming back tonight at midnight down a deserted B road, even in the wet and cold the Michellin Pilot SS give great feedback, although you can definitely tell they're a summer tyre!

Quote
I preferred my VW, BMW ride very firm it was a M Spec 235. Very few chances to deploy the power on the commute.

This is my one criticism of the car, or perhaps our road network. It doesn't deal well with lumpy tarmac. I'll be interested to see what effect changing down to some 17" winter wheels has on the ride/handling.

 If I had my time over I probably would have picked a 140i and saved some money. The 140i has more power than you can (with any good sense) deploy on a public road. As for the full fat M-cars, they must be strictly for willy-waving purposes only, you'd have to be certifiable to give them the berries on a public road!?

Personally I've liked the vw's I've been in. Always seemed solid and well appointed inside. TBH if my ar$e had fitted in the seat, I probably would have had a golf r rather than the bimmer.

I never quite know what to make of these.

It is either an extremely expensive shopping car......or an excellent value performance saloon.

On balance I would say that £35000 is simply too much to pay for a Golf.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 04 December 2016, 00:19:22
I'd be inclined to agree, except some of the discounts available are very generous. A reasonable spec can be had for £27-28k. Or, more realistically, about £320pcm. Good value for what you get in my book. Well, as good a value as any new car I suppose.  :y

However, revisiting my previous point, I suspect a gti would give you all the performance and fun required for £75 or so less PCM. I've very quickly come to the conclusion that modern performance cars are utterly unnecessary in the uk.

An eccentric friend of mine runs a triumph gt6 all year round and I love being in that. You can put it on the ragged edge at about 43mph. To do that in mine you'd be well over the ton. Far too much at stake for it to be any fun (for me at least). I suspect this is where cars like the mx-5 or gt86 really come into their own.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2016, 09:11:21
I've had various thoughts on my car share buddies M235:


It is surprisingly encomical, over 30mpg even when driving in "TheBoy" mode.

Car tax is lower than the 3.2 Omega :o

Why no engine temp gauge? Can't tell when it's up to temp before spanking it.

No active cornering lights, standard on my VW.

BMW connected system and Nav is very impressive. Unlimited data, remote options to warm car etc. All great.

Seats are nice, but ride is very, very firm.

You can't sync the climate controls back to driver settings, after each side has been manually set on passenger side. Has to be manually done.

It's fast. Little rocket, 8 speed autobox big help.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Mr Gav on 04 December 2016, 09:25:58
I've had various thoughts on my car share buddies M235:


It is surprisingly encomical, over 30mpg even when driving in "TheBoy" mode.

Car tax is lower than the 3.2 Omega :o

Why no engine temp gauge? Can't tell when it's up to temp before spanking it.

No active cornering lights, standard on my VW.

BMW connected system and Nav is very impressive. Unlimited data, remote options to warm car etc. All great.

Seats are nice, but ride is very, very firm.

You can't sync the climate controls back to driver settings, after each side has been manually set on passenger side. Has to be manually done.

It's fast. Little rocket, 8 speed autobox big help.

A car like that should have an oil temp gauge.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2016, 09:30:55
Bros diesel 3 series managed a not unshabby 54 mpg over the last 1700 miles, including Inverness to the New Forrest on a single tank... can't argue with that... 8)

It's always worth adding xenons if optional, as people always discover first time they drive in the dark... ::)

The only way to get a £27k car for £320pm is to either put a 50% deposit down on HP, or to take out a PCP... which is a mugs game unless you do less than 5k miles a year :-\
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2016, 09:40:32
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2016, 09:45:20
I've had various thoughts on my car share buddies M235:


It is surprisingly encomical, over 30mpg even when driving in "TheBoy" mode. That's the efficient dynamics at work. Also big engine/small car tends to be more economical than you might think.

Car tax is lower than the 3.2 Omega :o See above

Why no engine temp gauge? Can't tell when it's up to temp before spanking it. Be a display within vehicle settings

No active cornering lights, standard on my VW. Turning the fog light on is gimmicky. The optional lights on the BMW are fully dynamic xenon and LED and are fantastic. Expensive though...

BMW connected system and Nav is very impressive. Unlimited data, remote options to warm car etc. All great. Postcode wouldn't accept a postcode for Gills Bay, but took us straight to the ferry when selecting Kirkwall as the destination :D

Seats are nice, but ride is very, very firm. Large wheels and sports springs won't help, but should have a comfort setting which helps

You can't sync the climate controls back to driver settings, after each side has been manually set on passenger side. Has to be manually done. A design compromise, even with a digital panel as the outer part of the temp knobs set temp, whilst the buttons in the centre of the temp knobs serve entirely different functions (Auto and Eco iirc), no hardship to reach another 6" to adjust it.

It's fast. Little rocket, 8 speed autobox big help.Gearbox is very good. Only flaw imho, is that it won't change into to when in Sport mode. Has to be done manually
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2016, 09:49:07
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D
That be on a PCP then... and will see him getting stung for around £1,200 a year when the agreement ends. The extra £100 pm would see it on HP with no mileage restrictions :-\
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2016, 10:12:09
I've had various thoughts on my car share buddies M235:


It is surprisingly encomical, over 30mpg even when driving in "TheBoy" mode. That's the efficient dynamics at work. Also big engine/small car tends to be more economical than you might think.

Car tax is lower than the 3.2 Omega :o See above

Why no engine temp gauge? Can't tell when it's up to temp before spanking it. Be a display within vehicle settings

No active cornering lights, standard on my VW. Turning the fog light on is gimmicky. The optional lights on the BMW are fully dynamic xenon and LED and are fantastic. Expensive though...

BMW connected system and Nav is very impressive. Unlimited data, remote options to warm car etc. All great. Postcode wouldn't accept a postcode for Gills Bay, but took us straight to the ferry when selecting Kirkwall as the destination :D

Seats are nice, but ride is very, very firm. Large wheels and sports springs won't help, but should have a comfort setting which helps

You can't sync the climate controls back to driver settings, after each side has been manually set on passenger side. Has to be manually done. A design compromise, even with a digital panel as the outer part of the temp knobs set temp, whilst the buttons in the centre of the temp knobs serve entirely different functions (Auto and Eco iirc), no hardship to reach another 6" to adjust it.

It's fast. Little rocket, 8 speed autobox big help.Gearbox is very good. Only flaw imho, is that it won't change into to when in Sport mode. Has to be done manually

Re engine temp, apparently it's not hidden away. It's just not there, says he has looked at forums, was an optional extra on 235i  :-\
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 04 December 2016, 10:16:32
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share ;D

If he has it pcp via BMW finance, they were running a promotion a month or two ago to extend the mileage to 15k/yr at no extra charge. Worth giving them a call as it will offset some of the cost.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2016, 10:18:04
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share ;D

If he has it pcp via BMW finance, they were running a promotion a month or two ago to extend the mileage to 15k/yr at no extra charge. Worth giving them a call as it will offset some of the cost.

Fairly sure it is BMW Finance, they made some issues around collection time. So he got them to throw in service pack.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 12:01:38
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D

This seems to be a common theme these days. :(

As already said I have no way of knowing when my XFR is properly warm. I assume there is some sort of warning if the car overheats.

But what if the car is running too cool (thermostat problems perhaps) How would I know?
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2016, 12:20:01
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D

This seems to be a common theme these days. :(

As already said I have no way of knowing when my XFR is properly warm. I assume there is some sort of warning if the car overheats.

But what if the car is running too cool (thermostat problems perhaps) How would I know?

Same problem in the BMW 235i  :-\

Fine when new, but what when these are 10 years old and 100k miles
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Mr Gav on 04 December 2016, 12:26:06
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D

This seems to be a common theme these days. :(

As already said I have no way of knowing when my XFR is properly warm. I assume there is some sort of warning if the car overheats.

But what if the car is running too cool (thermostat problems perhaps) How would I know?

My Datsun has oil and water temps, I always wait until the oil has reached 90 degrees before I start taking the revs above 3k, the engine warms up pretty quickly but the oil takes around fifteen minutes to reach a good operating temperature.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 12:32:01
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D

This seems to be a common theme these days. :(

As already said I have no way of knowing when my XFR is properly warm. I assume there is some sort of warning if the car overheats.

But what if the car is running too cool (thermostat problems perhaps) How would I know?

My Datsun has oil and water temps, I always wait until the oil has reached 90 degrees before I start taking the revs above 3k, the engine warms up pretty quickly but the oil takes around fifteen minutes to reach a good operating temperature.

This works. Why change it? :-\
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Nick W on 04 December 2016, 13:33:37
I'd be inclined to agree, except some of the discounts available are very generous. A reasonable spec can be had for £27-28k. Or, more realistically, about £320pcm. Good value for what you get in my book. Well, as good a value as any new car I suppose.  :y

However, revisiting my previous point, I suspect a gti would give you all the performance and fun required for £75 or so less PCM. I've very quickly come to the conclusion that modern performance cars are utterly unnecessary in the uk.

An eccentric friend of mine runs a triumph gt6 all year round and I love being in that. You can put it on the ragged edge at about 43mph. To do that in mine you'd be well over the ton. Far too much at stake for it to be any fun (for me at least). I suspect this is where cars like the mx-5 or gt86 really come into their own.


That's been my opinion for some time: modern cars are far too fast to be fun. Hell, bigger engined old cars can be less fun than the smaller engined variants. My last Capri was a 2.8i with a tweaked 2.9(fitted because it solves the 2.8engines major deficiencies), and I regularly found myself missing the turning into my road because it would effortlessly do 90mph in a 30 limit. It was faster than I am, and that's one of the main reasons I sold it.  A 2.0l can still be driven hard, but not exceed the speed limit by too much. Plus, it can easily be made to drift around a large roundabout with all four tyres just starting to let go at about 60mph until you get dizzy. Or arrested ;D


The Caterham 160 is a good example along with original Mx-5s or the GT86, is it really any less fun than the mental versions at 3 times the price?


Once I get back on my feet financially, my plans have changed from a 3.0l V6 engined hot rod(that I didn't have the facilities to build, and was already a downgrade from the 360Mopar that was my original plan) to a simple '27 track T with a 1300 Jimny engine. I reckon a budget of £4k should see a nicely finished car that looks like a traditional '50s example but is fully usable. Hell, the 1.3 Suzuki engine has about the same amount of power as the flathead V8s that were often fitted to such cars back then!
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 13:50:14
I'd be inclined to agree, except some of the discounts available are very generous. A reasonable spec can be had for £27-28k. Or, more realistically, about £320pcm. Good value for what you get in my book. Well, as good a value as any new car I suppose.  :y

However, revisiting my previous point, I suspect a gti would give you all the performance and fun required for £75 or so less PCM. I've very quickly come to the conclusion that modern performance cars are utterly unnecessary in the uk.

An eccentric friend of mine runs a triumph gt6 all year round and I love being in that. You can put it on the ragged edge at about 43mph. To do that in mine you'd be well over the ton. Far too much at stake for it to be any fun (for me at least). I suspect this is where cars like the mx-5 or gt86 really come into their own.


That's been my opinion for some time: modern cars are far too fast to be fun. Hell, bigger engined old cars can be less fun than the smaller engined variants. My last Capri was a 2.8i with a tweaked 2.9(fitted because it solves the 2.8engines major deficiencies), and I regularly found myself missing the turning into my road because it would effortlessly do 90mph in a 30 limit. It was faster than I am, and that's one of the main reasons I sold it.  A 2.0l can still be driven hard, but not exceed the speed limit by too much. Plus, it can easily be made to drift around a large roundabout with all four tyres just starting to let go at about 60mph until you get dizzy. Or arrested ;D


The Caterham 160 is a good example along with original Mx-5s or the GT86, is it really any less fun than the mental versions at 3 times the price?


Once I get back on my feet financially, my plans have changed from a 3.0l V6 engined hot rod(that I didn't have the facilities to build, and was already a downgrade from the 360Mopar that was my original plan) to a simple '27 track T with a 1300 Jimny engine. I reckon a budget of £4k should see a nicely finished car that looks like a traditional '50s example but is fully usable. Hell, the 1.3 Suzuki engine has about the same amount of power as the flathead V8s that were often fitted to such cars back then!



Hayabusa? ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 13:52:30
I'd be inclined to agree, except some of the discounts available are very generous. A reasonable spec can be had for £27-28k. Or, more realistically, about £320pcm. Good value for what you get in my book. Well, as good a value as any new car I suppose.  :y

However, revisiting my previous point, I suspect a gti would give you all the performance and fun required for £75 or so less PCM. I've very quickly come to the conclusion that modern performance cars are utterly unnecessary in the uk.

An eccentric friend of mine runs a triumph gt6 all year round and I love being in that. You can put it on the ragged edge at about 43mph. To do that in mine you'd be well over the ton. Far too much at stake for it to be any fun (for me at least). I suspect this is where cars like the mx-5 or gt86 really come into their own.


That's been my opinion for some time: modern cars are far too fast to be fun. Hell, bigger engined old cars can be less fun than the smaller engined variants. My last Capri was a 2.8i with a tweaked 2.9(fitted because it solves the 2.8engines major deficiencies), and I regularly found myself missing the turning into my road because it would effortlessly do 90mph in a 30 limit. It was faster than I am, and that's one of the main reasons I sold it.  A 2.0l can still be driven hard, but not exceed the speed limit by too much. Plus, it can easily be made to drift around a large roundabout with all four tyres just starting to let go at about 60mph until you get dizzy. Or arrested ;D


The Caterham 160 is a good example along with original Mx-5s or the GT86, is it really any less fun than the mental versions at 3 times the price?



Once I get back on my feet financially, my plans have changed from a 3.0l V6 engined hot rod(that I didn't have the facilities to build, and was already a downgrade from the 360Mopar that was my original plan) to a simple '27 track T with a 1300 Jimny engine. I reckon a budget of £4k should see a nicely finished car that looks like a traditional '50s example but is fully usable. Hell, the 1.3 Suzuki engine has about the same amount of power as the flathead V8s that were often fitted to such cars back then!

You could add Mazda RX8 to this list. They have no torque so you have to rev the boll*cks of them to get anywhere. :)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: citroenguy on 04 December 2016, 15:10:59
No oil temp on his either (my VW has it though in MFD)  :-\

The popping and banging of the petrol he has is addictive, we try not to get over 30mpg  ;D

His has Xenons and is on some kind of finance, deal, can see it being £400-£500 a month.  :-\

He has done 18k in a year, when he said he would do 12k. One of the reasons he was looking to car share  ;D

This seems to be a common theme these days. :(

As already said I have no way of knowing when my XFR is properly warm. I assume there is some sort of warning if the car overheats.

But what if the car is running too cool (thermostat problems perhaps) How would I know?

Many newer cars can measure if the thermostat is duff. If so the ECM lays a fault code and illuminates the MIL
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Nick W on 04 December 2016, 15:45:39


That's been my opinion for some time: modern cars are far too fast to be fun. Hell, bigger engined old cars can be less fun than the smaller engined variants. My last Capri was a 2.8i with a tweaked 2.9(fitted because it solves the 2.8engines major deficiencies), and I regularly found myself missing the turning into my road because it would effortlessly do 90mph in a 30 limit. It was faster than I am, and that's one of the main reasons I sold it.  A 2.0l can still be driven hard, but not exceed the speed limit by too much. Plus, it can easily be made to drift around a large roundabout with all four tyres just starting to let go at about 60mph until you get dizzy. Or arrested ;D


The Caterham 160 is a good example along with original Mx-5s or the GT86, is it really any less fun than the mental versions at 3 times the price?


Once I get back on my feet financially, my plans have changed from a 3.0l V6 engined hot rod(that I didn't have the facilities to build, and was already a downgrade from the 360Mopar that was my original plan) to a simple '27 track T with a 1300 Jimny engine. I reckon a budget of £4k should see a nicely finished car that looks like a traditional '50s example but is fully usable. Hell, the 1.3 Suzuki engine has about the same amount of power as the flathead V8s that were often fitted to such cars back then!



Hayabusa? ::) ::) ;)


Bike engines in road cars are horrible. And as I wrote, I don't want a lot of power. So a 1.3 Jimny engine will give 80bhp for about £500 complete with the management and 5speed RWD gearbox.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 16:25:40


That's been my opinion for some time: modern cars are far too fast to be fun. Hell, bigger engined old cars can be less fun than the smaller engined variants. My last Capri was a 2.8i with a tweaked 2.9(fitted because it solves the 2.8engines major deficiencies), and I regularly found myself missing the turning into my road because it would effortlessly do 90mph in a 30 limit. It was faster than I am, and that's one of the main reasons I sold it.  A 2.0l can still be driven hard, but not exceed the speed limit by too much. Plus, it can easily be made to drift around a large roundabout with all four tyres just starting to let go at about 60mph until you get dizzy. Or arrested ;D


The Caterham 160 is a good example along with original Mx-5s or the GT86, is it really any less fun than the mental versions at 3 times the price?


Once I get back on my feet financially, my plans have changed from a 3.0l V6 engined hot rod(that I didn't have the facilities to build, and was already a downgrade from the 360Mopar that was my original plan) to a simple '27 track T with a 1300 Jimny engine. I reckon a budget of £4k should see a nicely finished car that looks like a traditional '50s example but is fully usable. Hell, the 1.3 Suzuki engine has about the same amount of power as the flathead V8s that were often fitted to such cars back then!



Hayabusa? ::) ::) ;)


Bike engines in road cars are horrible. And as I wrote, I don't want a lot of power. So a 1.3 Jimny engine will give 80bhp for about £500 complete with the management and 5speed RWD gearbox.

Usually because they have too little torque to shift too much weight. I'm pretty sure a Hayabusa develops more torque than a 'breathless' 1.3 Jimney.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Nick W on 04 December 2016, 16:39:23


Bike engines in road cars are horrible. And as I wrote, I don't want a lot of power. So a 1.3 Jimny engine will give 80bhp for about £500 complete with the management and 5speed RWD gearbox.

Usually because they have too little torque to shift too much weight. I'm pretty sure a Hayabusa develops more torque than a 'breathless' 1.3 Jimny.


It's about 40% more but at twice the revs. Considering that even a large bike engine is hopeless under 4,000 rpm that's not really a help.
And I'll repeat: I'm not building  a race or even track car.  I want a usable car with a traditional small  hot-rod look, the American equivalent of a British  '50s special like a Lotus. Even with a (small) I-beam front axle and live rear, if the thing weighs 600kg I'll be disappointed. Using a modern, small(physically as well as capacity) engine and gearbox will help achieve that.
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2016, 16:55:09


Bike engines in road cars are horrible. And as I wrote, I don't want a lot of power. So a 1.3 Jimny engine will give 80bhp for about £500 complete with the management and 5speed RWD gearbox.

Usually because they have too little torque to shift too much weight. I'm pretty sure a Hayabusa develops more torque than a 'breathless' 1.3 Jimny.


It's about 40% more but at twice the revs. Considering that even a large bike engine is hopeless under 4,000 rpm that's not really a help.
And I'll repeat: I'm not building  a race or even track car.  I want a usable car with a traditional small  hot-rod look, the American equivalent of a British  '50s special like a Lotus. Even with a (small) I-beam front axle and live rear, if the thing weighs 600kg I'll be disappointed. Using a modern, small(physically as well as capacity) engine and gearbox will help achieve that.

I could be wrong but I believe that Kevin's Westfield weighs about 650 KG (dry)
Title: Re: New front tyres for the old girl.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2016, 09:38:35
I could be wrong but I believe that Kevin's Westfield weighs about 650 KG (dry)

It weighs that much wet, with tool kit and ready to go. Minus driver. :-[