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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: berserkerboy on 23 January 2017, 18:28:41

Title: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 23 January 2017, 18:28:41
OBD reader showing code 00087-Passenger side airbag Squib circuit High resistance.
Code recurring after clearing.

Anyone any ideas?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2017, 18:30:56
Passenger airbag or Passenger seat airbag?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Magwheels on 23 January 2017, 18:39:59
I would put my money on the seat airbag.  :-X
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2017, 18:48:04
I would put my money on the seat airbag.  :-X
I concur, as 00087 isn't a valid code, but 87 is, which is passenger side airbag high resistance.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2017, 18:49:15
In which case OP needs to check under seat wiring, and also squib connectors (from memory, there is a bulletin about seat squib connectors)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 January 2017, 19:57:12
Move the seats and report back ;)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 23 January 2017, 20:38:32
Move the seats and report back ;)
What just move the seats forward and back?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 January 2017, 20:48:52
Yup ;)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 23 January 2017, 21:13:00
Moved them fully forward and back. Op com cleared the code but it comes back immediately. Thinking about it... I had a thermos in the front footwell and I was going up a steep hill when the light came on. Possible that the flask rolled back and hit all those connectors under the seat. Possible cause?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Magwheels on 23 January 2017, 21:21:30
Underseat connectors are one of the most common SRS failures. Always check there first........But first disconnect the battery, wait fifteen mins (just to be sure) for the caps to discharge and visually disconnect and check the wiring/connectors. Do NOT go poking around with a multimeter in the SRS wiring/components.

Once all plugged back in then reconnect battery and see what occurs.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 January 2017, 22:41:56
Moved them fully forward and back. Op com cleared the code but it comes back immediately. Thinking about it... I had a thermos in the front footwell and I was going up a steep hill when the light came on. Possible that the flask rolled back and hit all those connectors under the seat. Possible cause?
Yup :y

Usually happens when the seats are moved for cleaning...

Raise the seat fully and look underneath,  you'll probably see a kink of evidence of chaffing. Obviously do the 15minute wait thing between moving the seat/disconnecting the battery and prodding/unplugging  ;)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 24 January 2017, 07:30:21
Thanks folks.

Job for tomrrow.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 25 January 2017, 16:58:48
Bummer! Disconnected connectors sprayed with contact spray and reconnected. Cleared fault code and started engine. Thought I'd fixed as the light went out.....only for it to come back on again! Tried this a couple of times with the same result. No sign of any chaffed wires. I guess high resitance at squib connectors means there is a break there somewhere?
Next move?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 25 January 2017, 18:11:37
A meter.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 13 March 2017, 13:49:17
Okay, still having problems with this. I have had all the connectors apart under the seat and by the seat on the floor and sprayed with contact spray. Fault still present and beyond me I think. What is the general concensus of whether to give it to the local Indy to look at or give to the stealers who will be more aquainted to Omega wiring and have tech2.?

MOT is due 15 May. Wondering whether to put it in early to see if major money will be required before I spend too much on solving this issue.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: blue_dream on 13 March 2017, 17:06:16
OBD reader showing code 00087-Passenger side airbag Squib circuit High resistance.
Code recurring after clearing.

Anyone any
Hi  double check the seat wiring underneath, if you got reader diconnect on passager side first, then clear, see if that helps, i had it once this is what i did
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 13 March 2017, 19:24:36
Okay, still having problems with this. I have had all the connectors apart under the seat and by the seat on the floor and sprayed with contact spray. Fault still present and beyond me I think. What is the general concensus of whether to give it to the local Indy to look at or give to the stealers who will be more aquainted to Omega wiring and have tech2.?

MOT is due 15 May. Wondering whether to put it in early to see if major money will be required before I spend too much on solving this issue.
What were the meter readings towards the airbag from the seat connectors (contact spray on the connectors was always going to achieve the 3 parts of sod all, as the connectors are reliable)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 14 March 2017, 07:17:37
OBD reader showing code 00087-Passenger side airbag Squib circuit High resistance.
Code recurring after clearing.

Anyone any
Hi  double check the seat wiring underneath, if you got reader diconnect on passager side first, then clear, see if that helps, i had it once this is what i did

There are 6 connectors under the seat. Should I disconnect all these, reconnect battery and clear the code. Then reconnect the connectors?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 14 March 2017, 07:22:26
Okay, still having problems with this. I have had all the connectors apart under the seat and by the seat on the floor and sprayed with contact spray. Fault still present and beyond me I think. What is the general concensus of whether to give it to the local Indy to look at or give to the stealers who will be more aquainted to Omega wiring and have tech2.?

MOT is due 15 May. Wondering whether to put it in early to see if major money will be required before I spend too much on solving this issue.
What were the meter readings towards the airbag from the seat connectors (contact spray on the connectors was always going to achieve the 3 parts of sod all, as the connectors are reliable)

There are 6 connectors under the seat. Should I be disconnecting these to check voltage?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: omegod on 14 March 2017, 10:33:13
I've had an airbag ECU go wonky in the past, not helped by being situated directly under the armrest cubby which is ideal for holding cups of coffee etc ::). Replacement ecu was plug and play, from the same model obviously
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: omega2018 on 14 March 2017, 11:05:32
what contact cleaner are you using?  is it a grease remover or an oxide/sulphide remover?  the former won't deal with the latter which is the most likely contact problem, if there is one.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 14 March 2017, 18:51:22
Okay, still having problems with this. I have had all the connectors apart under the seat and by the seat on the floor and sprayed with contact spray. Fault still present and beyond me I think. What is the general concensus of whether to give it to the local Indy to look at or give to the stealers who will be more aquainted to Omega wiring and have tech2.?

MOT is due 15 May. Wondering whether to put it in early to see if major money will be required before I spend too much on solving this issue.
What were the meter readings towards the airbag from the seat connectors (contact spray on the connectors was always going to achieve the 3 parts of sod all, as the connectors are reliable)

There are 6 connectors under the seat. Should I be disconnecting these to check voltage?
No, you need to measure resistance towards the airbag from there.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 15 March 2017, 07:10:40
Okay, still having problems with this. I have had all the connectors apart under the seat and by the seat on the floor and sprayed with contact spray. Fault still present and beyond me I think. What is the general concensus of whether to give it to the local Indy to look at or give to the stealers who will be more aquainted to Omega wiring and have tech2.?

MOT is due 15 May. Wondering whether to put it in early to see if major money will be required before I spend too much on solving this issue.
What were the meter readings towards the airbag from the seat connectors (contact spray on the connectors was always going to achieve the 3 parts of sod all, as the connectors are reliable)

There are 6 connectors under the seat. Should I be disconnecting these to check voltage?
No, you need to measure resistance towards the airbag from there.
Am I safe to check resistance or will the airbags go off. I am not very experienced with electrics. I don't know which connectors are for the airbags as it isn't clear to me by just looking at it. I will try to post a picture of the connectors.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 15 March 2017, 08:26:09
(http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/berserkerboy/car%20airbag_zpsusxglebj.jpg)

Here are the connectors. There is a white connector next to the bosch unit and there are actually 2 blue ones side by side. One of the blue ones is a single wire connector. Anybody know which one I should be testing?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 March 2017, 09:48:21
None of those.

Sorry, but if you cannot identify the airbag wiring you probably shouldn't be touching them :-\
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 16 March 2017, 06:52:40
OBD reader showing code 00087-Passenger side airbag Squib circuit High resistance.
Code recurring after clearing.

Anyone any
Hi  double check the seat wiring underneath, if you got reader diconnect on passager side first, then clear, see if that helps, i had it once this is what i did

There are 6 connectors under the seat. Should I disconnect all these, reconnect battery and clear the code. Then reconnect the connectors?

Okay then. If I'm to steer away from checking resistance, am I safe to do the above? I would assume so long as I wait the 15 minutes on each occassion I am, but just wanted to check.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2017, 09:10:42
Does your code reader say the fault is PRESENT. If so, the fault needs to be fixed first.  And I suspect your fault probably lies nearer the airbag than the seat connectors.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 March 2017, 14:03:20
Does your code reader say the fault is PRESENT. If so, the fault needs to be fixed first.  And I suspect your fault probably lies nearer the airbag than the seat connectors.
None of the connectors shown has anything to do with the airbags :-X
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2017, 19:54:32
Does your code reader say the fault is PRESENT. If so, the fault needs to be fixed first.  And I suspect your fault probably lies nearer the airbag than the seat connectors.
None of the connectors shown has anything to do with the airbags :-X
No, indeed not.  My point being no point pissing around randomly unplugging and chemical cleaning them.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Magwheels on 16 March 2017, 21:29:37
I concur, SRS connectors are usually yellow, can't see any yellow ones there.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 17 March 2017, 07:25:04
Reader is showing present. There are some yellow connectors down by the side of the seat under a plastic sleeve. Unfortunately, photobucket wont let me upload anything at the mo. Will try later.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 18 March 2017, 08:48:03
(http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/berserkerboy/IMG_20170317_070639_zpsuyyhzhrp.jpg)
I have pulled this off of its fitting to show the connectors.  :)
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2017, 11:55:48
If you insist on doing this then follow the following to the letter...

1. Disconnect the battery and remove it from the car.

2. Find anything else to do away from the car which takes AT LEAST 30 minutes.

3. Remove the kick panel and sill trim... this might seem like work for works sake but it will save you from breaking the yellow plugs.

4. Unplug each yellow wire in turn and measure the resistance in each plug. Be aware that the current in doing this could trigger the side airbag and pretensioner. Keep well away from both.

5. Repeat 3. and 4. on tother side and reassemble trim.

6. Reconnect battery.
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 18 March 2017, 20:50:04
Sounds scary. :o Will dissemble as suggested to see if there is any obvious chaffing on any of the yellow wires. Not sure I want to put any current through for fear of setting anything off.  :'(
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: TheBoy on 19 March 2017, 21:40:12
It'll be high resistance towards the seat from that connector....
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: berserkerboy on 19 March 2017, 21:52:00
so a break in the wire between the seat pad and connector?
Title: Re: Airbag light on
Post by: neil74 on 19 March 2017, 23:33:42
When I replaced the nearside windows on my car I disconnected the unit in the door without taking the earth off the battery as I needed to check the window still moved. trouble is when I switched the ignition on I forgot to connect it resulting in the light staying on all the time.