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Title: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 28 January 2017, 20:10:36
He has certainly got the attention of muslim countries this evening.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: ronnyd on 28 January 2017, 20:30:50
Some are bleating that what he has done is breaking U.S. laws. There,s an easy way to remedy that. ;D
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migalot on 28 January 2017, 20:57:15
A politician actually carrying out what they promised?  :o


Reckon that will ever catch on over here? (rhetorical question) ;)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 28 January 2017, 21:04:32
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migalot on 28 January 2017, 21:21:01
Putin and Trump want 'real coordination' against Islamic State in Syria, Kremlin says

Looks like end-times for ISIS.  :y :y
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Fraggles Rock on 28 January 2017, 21:26:17
Some are bleating that what he has done is breaking U.S. laws. There,s an easy way to remedy that. ;D
13th Amendment states that all persons are equal before the Law. The Law in this case being the Patriot Act...

Credit where it's due, nothing he has done so far wasn't on the list. The outrage stems purely from the fact that his pledges were dismissed as election rhetoric, when in fact he meant every word.

His head might well be up his arse, but the man has conviction. And balls.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 January 2017, 21:30:05
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=normal

Depends how you define normal, but either way, your sympathetic wife has our sympathy. :D

Incidentally, in this brave new world of ours, why apologise for any offence you might cause :-\
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 28 January 2017, 21:34:40
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=normal

Depends how you define normal, but either way, your sympathetic wife has our sympathy. :D

Incidentally, in this brave new world of ours, why apologise for any offence you might cause :-\
Because people are offended at anything and everything these days. That's just my way of saying I dont want to hear it.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Viral_Jim on 28 January 2017, 21:37:15
Putin and Trump want 'real coordination' against Islamic State in Syria, Kremlin says

Looks like end-times for ISIS.  :y :y

I rather doubt that. Flags and bits of desert aside, ISIS represents an ideology. Which you don't kill with bullets, bombs and melting the homes of ordinary people into glass.

Similarly, denying people entry to the US based on their religion achieves little, other than political grand standing and saving the extremists the bother of shooting a recruitment video. However, we can't really be too critical of trump on this one. We've basically been doing the same thing over Syrian refugees for a couple of years now. We just haven't had the balls to be open about it.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migalot on 28 January 2017, 21:37:36
What I find interesting is that, secretly (in most cases), there are more supporters of Trump's actions than detractors. It's just not PC to admit it.

We've come a long way, sadly, since the days of The Two Ronnies. We are no longer able to say what we think, whether to make a joke or a political point.

This is, of course, our greatest weakness. In trying to out-liberal the liberals, the media and its luvvie followers are trying to take us down a path which is easily exploited by those who wish to destroy the Western way of life.

The US dodged a bullet in not electing Clinton.     
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Viral_Jim on 28 January 2017, 22:55:15
Agreed. And my generation (the millennials) are the worst for it. Time was, when someone had a different opinion to you, you discussed, debated or even argued.

Now we (my generation) simply label them, no-platform them and belittle their opinions. Problem is, in doing so you lump in those with moderate opinions with the real extremists and create an us and them which is far bigger than the us.

Take the EU referendum as an example. The liberal pro EU lot did their level best to lump in everyone who had legitimate concerns about immigration and globalisation with the skin-headed-far-right-kick-yer-head-in-for-looking-a-but-foreign groups.

All this achieves is shut down dialogue with reasonable people and they simply act instead of talking. In the above example, in the polling booths.

In no small way, this is exactly what trump is doing to the Muslim communities both in the USA and beyond. You cannot misguidedly alienate an entire religious ideology and expect to have a positive effect on the extremists who would recruit them.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Bigron on 28 January 2017, 23:01:48
Jimmy, there is a quotation (wrongly) attributed to Voltaire that underwrites what you are sayting - "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Would that more people would subscribe to that philosophy.

Ron.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 28 January 2017, 23:05:49
Agreed. And my generation (the millennials) are the worst for it. Time was, when someone had a different opinion to you, you discussed, debated or even argued.

Now we (my generation) simply label them, no-platform them and belittle their opinions. Problem is, in doing so you lump in those with moderate opinions with the real extremists and create an us and them which is far bigger than the us.

Take the EU referendum as an example. The liberal pro EU lot did their level best to lump in everyone who had legitimate concerns about immigration and globalisation with the skin-headed-far-right-kick-yer-head-in-for-looking-a-but-foreign groups.

All this achieves is shut down dialogue with reasonable people and they simply act instead of talking. In the above example, in the polling booths.

In no small way, this is exactly what trump is doing to the Muslim communities both in the USA and beyond. You cannot misguidedly alienate an entire religious ideology and expect to have a positive effect on the extremists who would recruit them.

Maybe his thinking is that it will lead to most of them becoming radicalised, and then he would have an excuse for nuking the lot of them. Or maybe he just doesn't care, as long as they aren't on U.S. soil.
Who knows ?
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 29 January 2017, 08:13:11
Agreed. And my generation (the millennials) are the worst for it. Time was, when someone had a different opinion to you, you discussed, debated or even argued.

Now we (my generation) simply label them, no-platform them and belittle their opinions. Problem is, in doing so you lump in those with moderate opinions with the real extremists and create an us and them which is far bigger than the us.

Take the EU referendum as an example. The liberal pro EU lot did their level best to lump in everyone who had legitimate concerns about immigration and globalisation with the skin-headed-far-right-kick-yer-head-in-for-looking-a-but-foreign groups.

All this achieves is shut down dialogue with reasonable people and they simply act instead of talking. In the above example, in the polling booths.

In no small way, this is exactly what trump is doing to the Muslim communities both in the USA and beyond. You cannot misguidedly alienate an entire religious ideology and expect to have a positive effect on the extremists who would recruit them.
An almost perfect description of what happened and how it happened, Jimmy. I think it's rather more than just the 'holier than thou's' though. There are a lot of vested interests on both sides.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 January 2017, 11:52:28
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=normal

Depends how you define normal, but either way, your sympathetic wife has our sympathy. :D

Incidentally, in this brave new world of ours, why apologise for any offence you might cause :-\
Because people are offended at anything and everything these days. That's just my way of saying I dont want to hear it

Multiply by ten for 'generation snowflake'
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 January 2017, 11:58:28
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Bigron on 29 January 2017, 14:30:05
Yay! Follow the good doctor and refuse to subscribe to this PC crap!!!  :y 8)

Ron.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 January 2017, 15:25:24
Yay! Follow the good doctor and refuse to subscribe to this PC crap!!!  :y 8)

Ron.

Agreed. Mr Big Ron.

The word 'headteacher' has no gravitas. :)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: RobG on 29 January 2017, 17:42:44
Some are bleating that what he has done is breaking U.S. laws. There,s an easy way to remedy that. ;D
13th Amendment states that all persons are equal before the Law. The Law in this case being the Patriot Act...

Credit where it's due, nothing he has done so far wasn't on the list. The outrage stems purely from the fact that his pledges were dismissed as election rhetoric, when in fact he meant every word.

His head might well be up his arse, but the man has conviction. And balls.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: ronnyd on 29 January 2017, 17:55:12
I see that the latest PC gonads is from the BMA advising doctors not to call mums to be well, er mums to be. :o This is so they do not to upset the transgender community, WTF. Didn,t think they could get pregnant anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: ronnyd on 29 January 2017, 17:56:09
Sorry, just Bazas post :-[
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 January 2017, 17:58:58
Some are bleating that what he has done is breaking U.S. laws. There,s an easy way to remedy that. ;D
13th Amendment states that all persons are equal before the Law. The Law in this case being the Patriot Act...

Credit where it's due, nothing he has done so far wasn't on the list. The outrage stems purely from the fact that his pledges were dismissed as election rhetoric, when in fact he meant every word.

His head might well be up his arse, but the man has conviction. And balls.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
That's the rest of it ;)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: RobG on 29 January 2017, 18:44:15
Some are bleating that what he has done is breaking U.S. laws. There,s an easy way to remedy that. ;D
13th Amendment states that all persons are equal before the Law. The Law in this case being the Patriot Act...

Credit where it's due, nothing he has done so far wasn't on the list. The outrage stems purely from the fact that his pledges were dismissed as election rhetoric, when in fact he meant every word.

His head might well be up his arse, but the man has conviction. And balls.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
That's the rest of it ;)
That`s the beginning of it, it also enshrines amendments #14 & 15
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Rods2 on 29 January 2017, 22:55:32
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Rods2 on 29 January 2017, 23:07:53
The Donald's muslim ban will have the reverse effect on Western Countries safety as one of ISIL best recruitment methods is Western discrimination and oppression against muslims. ??? :o :o
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Mister Rog on 29 January 2017, 23:22:08
The Donald's muslim ban will have the reverse effect on Western Countries safety as one of ISIL best recruitment methods is Western discrimination and oppression against muslims. ??? :o :o

I am of the view that ISIL etc actually want and will encourage open confrontation between Christianity and Islam. Trumps confrontational stance is possibly welcomed. This is Jihad.   
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migalot on 29 January 2017, 23:23:31
The Donald's muslim ban will have the reverse effect on Western Countries safety as one of ISIL best recruitment methods is Western discrimination and oppression against muslims. ??? :o :o

It's not a "muslim ban", merely a temporary ban on travellers from those countries who have a record of Islamic fundamentalism (and a list actually drawn up by Obama).

Well done, Donald. :y

I only wish our leaders showed a similar backbone.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 January 2017, 00:02:40
Dunno what all the fuss is about. He has just nicked Bill Clintons immigration policy.  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZRVqrCLY8
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 January 2017, 12:14:06
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 13:10:09
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
You get fed up with it after a while. Mind you, being walked on by stilettos is preferable to being constantly bashed on the head with laptops. I reckon it was that that made you buy the jag.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 January 2017, 14:46:17
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
You get fed up with it after a while. Mind you, being walked on by stilettos is preferable to being constantly bashed on the head with laptops. I reckon it was that that made you buy the jag.

I agree. ;)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 14:51:45
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
You get fed up with it after a while. Mind you, being walked on by stilettos is preferable to being constantly bashed on the head with laptops. I reckon it was that that made you buy the jag.

I agree. ;)
If you like, I'll put my high heels on and giving you a good kneading. I'll shave my legs first, of course.  :)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 January 2017, 15:29:42
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
You get fed up with it after a while. Mind you, being walked on by stilettos is preferable to being constantly bashed on the head with laptops. I reckon it was that that made you buy the jag.

I agree. ;)
If you like, I'll put my high heels on and giving you a good kneading. I'll shave my legs first, of course.  :)
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Would you be offended if I decline your kind offer? ;D If you were a 25 year old woman  with big tits my response would be different.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 January 2017, 16:12:33
Would you be offended if I decline your kind offer? ;D If you were a 25 year old woman  with big tits my response would be different.

Simply big tits? Doesn't matter what size everything else is? You might want to reconsider your criteria. We'd hate to see you get punctured. ;)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 17:18:41
Would you be offended if I decline your kind offer? ;D If you were a 25 year old woman  with big tits my response would be different.

Simply big tits? Doesn't matter what size everything else is? You might want to reconsider your criteria. We'd hate to see you get punctured. ;)
Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 January 2017, 18:23:25
Would you be offended if I decline your kind offer? ;D If you were a 25 year old woman  with big tits my response would be different.

Simply big tits? Doesn't matter what size everything else is? You might want to reconsider your criteria. We'd hate to see you get punctured. ;)

We're all aware of Lord Opti's lack of standards in these matters.  ::)  I'd wager it's many a year since he last looked a woman in the eye!  ;)  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Rods2 on 30 January 2017, 18:26:25
It's really bad in our house. My wife is a modern, free-thinking, sympathetic, liberal headteacher. Whereas I am normal. It's been known to cause friction.  ;D

Headmistress. The word is headmistress.

Use the 'politically correct' headteacher again and I will send you to see a very strict headmistress for some much overdue discipline. ;) :D ;D ;D

You have been warned.


Is that your 'teaching' friend Miss Whiplash. ::) ::) ::)


I get the feeling STMO would welcome strict discipline from a  headmistress dressed in a basque, high heels and suspenders. :y
The episode might finish him off though.
You get fed up with it after a while. Mind you, being walked on by stilettos is preferable to being constantly bashed on the head with laptops. I reckon it was that that made you buy the jag.

I think that is so his transport fits in with the ministerial Jag's where they are all waiting to be 'seen' by Miss Whiplash! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 January 2017, 18:49:05
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Entwood on 30 January 2017, 19:01:01
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)

Do what I've done .. email him asking him to explain his hypocrisy ....  somehow I doubt I'll get an answer ..   :)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 January 2017, 19:30:39
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)

Do what I've done .. email him asking him to explain his hypocrisy ....  somehow I doubt I'll get an answer ..   :)
You presume he can actually read...

Besides, I really don't know what all the fuss is about. With all the SLady bitshorping oppswits lining themselves up to get shot first, the Muslims won't get a look in :-X
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 19:33:52
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)
Tim who...?
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 19:34:51
Ahhh...the Tim who is liberal but who's church group denounce homosexuality.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 January 2017, 19:36:52
Ahhh...the Tim who is liberal but who's church group denounce homosexuality.
And when the trumpets were blown, the walls of Jericho came a tumbling down...
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Migalot on 30 January 2017, 21:54:15
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)

I saw earlier that there were people from all over the world signing that, plus bots of course.  ::)

Online petitions are a sop and easily faked. However, just to wind-up the lefties and SJWs, I signed this one (although it's a bit mealy-mouthed and poorly spelled):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844)

Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 January 2017, 10:11:15
Tim Farron (politica, intellectual and physical pygmy) has just been on the news saying that the PM must listen to the growing number of people signing the petition against Trump. The petition now has over a million signatures.
This is the same Tim Farron who is on TV almost every day explaining why the house of commons must ignore the votes of 17.4 million people.
I don't know how he keeps a straight face while saying it.  ::)

I saw earlier that there were people from all over the world signing that, plus bots of course.  ::)

Online petitions are a sop and easily faked. However, just to wind-up the lefties and SJWs, I signed this one (although it's a bit mealy-mouthed and poorly spelled):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844)

But the other petition clearly states that he should visit in his capacity of POTUS but that he shouldn't be given the pomp and circumstance of visiting the royal family.

He's already making noises that he doesn't want to meet with Charles or Pip the Greek because he expects an argument with them ::)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: STEMO on 31 January 2017, 10:54:53
I think Phil will love him. Take him out to the garden for a quick chat about brown and slitty-eyed people.  ;D
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Mister Rog on 31 January 2017, 14:51:19

I found this . . . . . it amused me

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/Old_Mosher/Desole_zpst4ktrbbi.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 January 2017, 14:58:52
Shame really... should perhaps be celebrating the system that they have rather than apologising for it :(

Having the freedom and right to vote as you see fit far outweighs the result. Millions of people died protecting that right.

Lest we forget.
Title: Re: Donald is stirring the shit again
Post by: Bigron on 31 January 2017, 15:08:53
Well said, DG! We also lost many good people fighting for our freedoms and we would do well to remember it and be thankfull.

Ron.