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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Shackeng on 12 March 2017, 16:51:25
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SWMBO has I've decided that I am getting too long in the tooth to maintain my cars and am looking to replace my TD Estate with another largish petrol auto estate, and have come up with the Mondeo as a cheapish option with lots of legroom for the driver. I tried the XF Sportbrake but was not overly impressed with the stiff ride, legroom, or small load bay, I haven't driven a Mondeo yet, so would welcome any comments. I want a comfortable ride, largest engine avlbl, petrol, auto, and a large load bay to take 2 golf trolleys and bags. Used, but not more than 3 years old. Up to £20k. :y
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Here's a shortlist :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702212526307?body-type=Estate&sort=sponsored&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1501&make=VAUXHALL&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&postcode=sn82px&price-to=20000&price-from=10000&advertising-location=at_cars&page=2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702222569603?make=VOLVO&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&fuel-type=Petrol&postcode=sn82px&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703083037359?sort=sponsored&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2014&price-from=10000&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&postcode=sn82px&price-to=20000&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201701030967267?price-from=10000&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&fuel-type=Petrol&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&sort=sponsored&year-from=2014&page=2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610158796354?sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&make=TOYOTA&body-type=Estate&year-from=2014&radius=1500&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1
A bit older, but worthy of consideration...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609278170816?sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VAUXHALL&body-type=Estate&radius=1501&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1
Haven't included any VW based cars as they've a very limited choice of petrol... Superbs really need more than a 1.4 lump :-X
My two personal recommendations are the Astra because it might surprise you and its local, second would be the higher mileage E Class with the memory seats.
The two runners up would be tother E class or the Insignia :y
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Here's a shortlist :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702212526307?body-type=Estate&sort=sponsored&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1501&make=VAUXHALL&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&postcode=sn82px&price-to=20000&price-from=10000&advertising-location=at_cars&page=2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702222569603?make=VOLVO&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&fuel-type=Petrol&postcode=sn82px&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703083037359?sort=sponsored&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2014&price-from=10000&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&postcode=sn82px&price-to=20000&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201701030967267?price-from=10000&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&fuel-type=Petrol&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&body-type=Estate&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&sort=sponsored&year-from=2014&page=2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610158796354?sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&make=TOYOTA&body-type=Estate&year-from=2014&radius=1500&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1
A bit older, but worthy of consideration...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609278170816?sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VAUXHALL&body-type=Estate&radius=1501&price-from=10000&price-to=20000&postcode=sn82px&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1
Haven't included any VW based cars as they've a very limited choice of petrol... Superbs really need more than a 1.4 lump :-X
My two personal recommendations are the Astra because it might surprise youMy two personal recommendations are the Astra because it might surprise you and its local, second would be the higher mileage E Class with the memory seats.
The two runners up would be tother E class or the Insignia :y
had my company hack just under a year now(circa 40,000 mile) no major problems except routine maintenance and ample room
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SWMBO has I've decided that I am getting too long in the tooth to maintain my cars and am looking to replace my TD Estate with another largish petrol auto estate, and have come up with the Mondeo as a cheapish option with lots of legroom for the driver. I tried the XF Sportbrake but was not overly impressed with the stiff ride, legroom, or small load bay, I haven't driven a Mondeo yet, so would welcome any comments. I want a comfortable ride, largest engine avlbl, petrol, auto, and a large load bay to take 2 golf trolleys and bags. Used, but not more than 3 years old. Up to £20k. :y
Rear seat legroom in XF is poor. More of a 2 plus 2 unless the driver happens to be a midget.
Twenty inch wheels will made the ride less supple but still more comfortable than the Germans.
Did you try the diesel XF or one using 'proper fuel'?
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Thanks Al, I've already looked at Astra and Volvo, Astra too small for me, Volvo load bay & legroom too small, Avensis the same, E class a consideration, but higher mileage and older for the same price as an equivalent Mondeo, which scores highly on the legroom (I am 6'4½" tall with 36" inside leg!) and load space, and probably cheaper running costs servicing wise. Driven the Insignia, don't like the seats and legroom(or lack of), and again poor load bay.:y
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SWMBO has I've decided that I am getting too long in the tooth to maintain my cars and am looking to replace my TD Estate with another largish petrol auto estate, and have come up with the Mondeo as a cheapish option with lots of legroom for the driver. I tried the XF Sportbrake but was not overly impressed with the stiff ride, legroom, or small load bay, I haven't driven a Mondeo yet, so would welcome any comments. I want a comfortable ride, largest engine avlbl, petrol, auto, and a large load bay to take 2 golf trolleys and bags. Used, but not more than 3 years old. Up to £20k. :y
Rear seat legroom in XF is poor. More of a 2 plus 2 unless the driver happens to be a midget.
Twenty inch wheels will made the ride less supple but still more comfortable than the Germans.
Did you try the diesel XF or one using 'proper fuel'?
It was diesel, had plenty of poke, but that is not my prime consideration,and in any case give the current climate of opinion against diesel, would not buy another one. I'm more interested in legroom, space in load bay, and a comfortable ride, and did I mention legroom? :y
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Thanks Al, I've already looked at Astra and Volvo, Astra too small for me, Volvo load bay & legroom too small, Avensis the same, E class a consideration, but higher mileage and older for the same price as an equivalent Mondeo, which scores highly on the legroom (I am 6'4½" tall with 36" inside leg!) and load space, and probably cheaper running costs servicing wise. Driven the Insignia, don't like the seats and legroom(or lack of), and again poor load bay.:y
Mercedes will be comparable to service and a much nicer place to be than the Ford. You can also cut the boot off the Mundeo and put it inside the E Class boot... 695 litres up to the window line in the Mercedes vs 525 litres in the Mondeo.
Using their ServiceCare Plan calculator... less than 15k a year is £35 per month for 3 years servicing. You can pay up front and costs £1260 for three services ;)
https://servicecarerates.mercedes-benz.co.uk/
Ford is £1780 for four services in three years.
http://www.ford.co.uk/BuyingandprotectingyourFord/ServiceandMaintenancePlans/ServicePlanPlus
I rest my case.
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If going for an auto Mondeo (Powershift), then it's essential that the gearbox oil is changed every 35k IIRC, it's not a cheap fluid change either @ about £200 Ford prices! It's the same gearbox in either petrol or diesel cars.
The non dual clutch option is a conventional TC box which was fitted to the 2.2 Tdci on the Mk4.5, even though the rest of the range have the other box. Needless to say the TC box has no such requirement for fluid change on such a regular basis.
HTH - Rob
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Worth noting that the Mercedes service plan includes ALL scheduled items, not just engine servicing ;)
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Worth noting that the Mercedes service plan includes ALL scheduled items, not just engine servicing ;)
When do you start you new job with MB, Al?
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Worth noting that the Mercedes service plan includes ALL scheduled items, not just engine servicing ;)
When do you start you new job with MB, Al?
I don't :P just making sure that myths and assumptions are well and truly put to bed ;)
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Ill look at the e class again, but was not that impressed with legroom in one i sat in. :y
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I found standard E Class seats poor, only liked AMG spec ones
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Ill look at the e class again, but was not that impressed with legroom in one i sat in. :y
Hence the inclusion of the one with fully electric seats :y
I would have included the V70, but they don't have a retail petrol model on the later range :'(
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Not for £20k ;D
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Not for £20k ;D
It'll lose way less in depreciation. So I'm taking the executive decision to exempt it from the 20k rule :P :)
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Not for £20k ;D
It'll lose way less in depreciation. So I'm taking the executive decision to exempt it from the 20k rule :P :)
Fair dos... but even an £18k E250 will depreciate far more slowly than an £18k Valencia special...
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Not for £20k ;D
It'll lose way less in depreciation. So I'm taking the executive decision to exempt it from the 20k rule :P :)
The problem is that when I bought my TD estate 18 years ago, I was of an age that I expected it to see me out, but now that I have survived far longer than I deserve, I need a replacement to 'see me out', so depreciation means very little, neither does mpg, and other than I have no wish to own another persecuted diesel, the only other requirements are as stated above, legroom, comfort, loadbay, legroom, loadbay and legroom. :y
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Try both the Mundeo and the E Class with fully electric seats. Then buy the Mercedes ;)
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Nice car......but which is best?
6.2 N/A.......5.5 turbo.......4.0 turbo?
The latest 4.0 turbo has more than 600 BHP and 600 lb ft torque. Impressive for a relatively small capacity lump.
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SWMBO has I've decided that I am getting too long in the tooth to maintain my cars ........
Can't offer any advice on a future car choice and apologies for going off track but I was only recently thinking how I admire the likes of yourself, Terry and others who are getting on in years, for still working on your own cars. :y It crossed my mind as I crawled out from under my car and I wondered how much longer I would be able to work on mine and family vehicles. You guys have a fair few years on me so I sincerely respect you for that. :y
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It's three pedals and diesel but, you're welcome to have a go in my 2010 Mondeo :y
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Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. :y
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Try both the Mundeo and the E Class with fully electric seats. Then buy the Mercedes ;)
tbh that's utterly offensive to Mercedes. The mundano is a steaming heap of dogshit next to a C class let alone an E. The poor guy is intimating that this may well be his last car purchase... nobody should even be suggesting it could even possibly be a ford.
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E63 AMG all day long 8)
Nice car......but which is best?
6.2 N/A.......5.5 turbo.......4.0 turbo?
The latest 4.0 turbo has more than 600 BHP and 600 lb ft torque. Impressive for a relatively small capacity lump.
Have each delivered to me tomorrow morning and I'll let you know. In a year. 8) :)
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Rare as hens teeth and also from VAG which (justifiably)gets a bad rap on this forum, but have you considered a 3.6 V6 superb? Probably ticks most of your boxes, other than I couldn't find one <3yrs old.
This sort of thing:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702232604328 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702232604328)
Alternatively, the latest generation of 220bhp 2.0 DSG super s can be had in hatchback form for a whisker over your budget (and are still bigger than a lot of estates out there).
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Try both the Mundeo and the E Class with fully electric seats. Then buy the Mercedes ;)
tbh that's utterly offensive to Mercedes. The mundano is a steaming heap of dogshit next to a C class let alone an E. The poor guy is intimating that this may well be his last car purchase... nobody should even be suggesting it could even possibly be a ford.
You know it. I know it. Rest assured that once both have been properly considered, Chris will know it ;)
On paper the E is the right car, build quality and material quality will both reiterate this and hopefully the proper seats will ice the cake, box it and deliver it with a bow on top...
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Superb hatch has a sodding great bar across the base of the rear window.. doesn't help boot space, also has a deep lip. Boot is narrower than it should be due to platform restrictions... this actually applies to the car as a whole. Suggested budget allows for the 1.4 TSi, which is utterly ludicrous.
Oh, and it sounds like a diesel ;)
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My boss is a tall fella & drives one of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CR-V-2-0-i-VTEC-SR-PETROL-AUTOMATIC-2014-63-/252807796878?hash=item3adc84d88e:g:cu0AAOSwXYtYw7Fb (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CR-V-2-0-i-VTEC-SR-PETROL-AUTOMATIC-2014-63-/252807796878?hash=item3adc84d88e:g:cu0AAOSwXYtYw7Fb)
We travelled upto Heathrow the other week, it seemed very comfortable & quiet.
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I will have another look a Merc.
Problem with the CRV - and any SUV - is the limited space for golf equipment unless the seats are down.
Reference the vitriol poured on Fords, I have had 6 Fords over the years, the Cortina was a bag of .... but I had no problems with the rest, easy for spares, and easy to work on, Oh, I forgot, I don't want to work on them any more.:y
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Looking at used AMG Mercs. Do they all have that hideous front lowered bumper? If so I do not want one. :(
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Looking at used AMG Mercs. Do they all have that hideous front lowered bumper? If so I do not want one. :(
Elegance or Avant-garde don't ;) AMG simply means stupid valance bigger (but not necessarily wider) wheels and some silvery bits inside...
Both the cars I linked to are SE spec not AMG, also if you prefer a more traditional grill and bonnet emblem, both are available as factory items... The rationale behind the UK grill is Marketing driven rather than guided by customer choice ;)
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SWMBO has I've decided that I am getting too long in the tooth to maintain my cars ........
Can't offer any advice on a future car choice and apologies for going off track but I was only recently thinking how I admire the likes of yourself, Terry and others who are getting on in years, for still working on your own cars. :y It crossed my mind as I crawled out from under my car and I wondered how much longer I would be able to work on mine and family vehicles. You guys have a fair few years on me so I sincerely respect you for that. :y
At the risk of being trolled for still driving, I have now worked on my bikes and cars for over 60 years, and they have rarely visited a garage except for MOT's. I wish I had kept a tally of how much I would have spent. It must be a small fortune. :y
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I wish I had kept a tally of how much I would have spent. It must be a small fortune. :y
Its probably as well you didn't, you'd probably be depressed ;D
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
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I wish I had kept a tally of how much I would have spent. It must be a small fortune. :y
Its probably as well you didn't, you'd probably be depressed ;D
I was in a touch over 2 years repairs maintaince and personnal add ons not including car purchase car cost me just over 2 grand
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I've spent the last few days looking and sitting in cars. Firstly, I'm very disappointed with the quality of seating comfort in modern cars, I've tried top of the range E-class, Passat, and Volvo, and only one had what I deem comfortable, and near to Omega comfort, and it was a Volvo, I think, V70. Unfortunately the newer Volvos only come with Diesel engines. The E Class seat was very disappointing, apart from which the only newish petrol ones are mid £30k+, and the C class seats are similar, and anyway its load bay is too small. I am just waiting to try out the Mondeo Titanium X seats, which, 'I am assured' by a completely objective and unbiased salesman, are very comfortable.
We shall see, but I am not hopeful of finding a large petrol engined Estate up to 3 years old, with comfortable seats, large load bay, for much less than £30k. :(
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I spent £90 on mine between the last two MOTs, but didn't use it much.
I have 2 1/2 times that in it already this year(some of which is deferred from last year when I didn't have any money) with more to come when I get home. But it's been paid for almost six years, so a £100 parts bill a couple of times a year is both trivial and to be expected on a 17 year-old car with 190k miles.
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I agree, and given the problems I'm having finding a replacement, the TD Estate will have to soldier on and I'll try to find a local garage who will look after it. :y
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
3.6.
That's a decent sized lump for a Skoda. It should prove reasonably swift. :y
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
3.6.
That's a decent sized lump for a Skoda. It should prove reasonably swift. :y
I like that.
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
3.6.
That's a decent sized lump for a Skoda. It should prove reasonably swift. :y
I mentioned these about a page back. Mr Gollum was particularly scathing ::)
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
3.6.
That's a decent sized lump for a Skoda. It should prove reasonably swift. :y
I mentioned these about a page back. Mr Gollum was particularly scathing ::)
No :o I'm shocked ::)
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No :o I'm shocked ::)
I know, he's usually very complementary of other brands, VAG in particular :P
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No :o I'm shocked ::)
I know, he's usually very complementary of other brands, VAG in particular :P
The pics of the one just linked to show just how compromised the boot is... Also no wider than the Octavia, so boot is actually disappointing for a car of that length.
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Did the E class you tried have the Fully electric memory and orthopaedic seats? Switches are on the door rather than the seat ;)
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It had electric seats, don't know what kind. I am just commenting on the feel of the squab and back when compared to Omega, which is the gold standard for me. I looked at that 3.6 Skoda, but would not want a car with 80k on it. Up to 25-30 perhaps. I haven't looked at the Skodas yet, but intend to as they do have some petrol versions. It all comes down to comfort, load bay, and legroom. I must say that all the cars I tried were good on the latter.
What do we know about DSG gearboxes? As the Passat has one, and I guess modern Skodas will as well.:y
I forgot to mention, in practically every brand, as you move up the spec range, you get bigger and bigger alloys, and lower and lower profile tyres! Aaaargh, I want smaller ones with bigger tyres as per my Elite. As the Merc salesman admitted to me, the 19" wheels are cracking because the tyre profile is so small it is almost like a solid tyre. At least Ford said they would fit smaller wheels on a management car for me at zero cost, still got to try the Titanium x seats though. :y
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Here you go
I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609217987044
3.6.
That's a decent sized lump for a Skoda. It should prove reasonably swift. :y
I like that.
Yes. I think it shares the same petrol lump as the 3.6 Passat I considered. :y
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It had electric seats, don't know what kind. I am just commenting on the feel of the squab and back when compared to Omega, which is the gold standard for me. I looked at that 3.6 Skoda, but would not want a car with 80k on it. Up to 25-30 perhaps. I haven't looked at the Skodas yet, but intend to as they do have some petrol versions. It all comes down to comfort, load bay, and legroom. I must say that all the cars I tried were good on the latter.
What do we know about DSG gearboxes? As the Passat has one, and I guess modern Skodas will as well.:y
I forgot to mention, in practically every brand, as you move up the spec range, you get bigger and bigger alloys, and lower and lower profile tyres! Aaaargh, I want smaller ones with bigger tyres as per my Elite. As the Merc salesman admitted to me, the 19" wheels are cracking because the tyre profile is so small it is almost like a solid tyre. At least Ford said they would fit smaller wheels on a management car for me at zero cost, still got to try the Titanium x seats though. :y
I think ride quality on many modern cars is inferior to older cars because of huge wheels that seem to run on the rims, rather than the tyres. :-\
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
A new thread needed, surely? ;D
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
They're expensive and they break. (But in ten minutes someone will come along and say their aunties cat had one once and it made it to 30000000000000miles running on soup) ::)
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
A new thread needed, surely? ;D
They change gear far quicker than your Omega will. ' 'Some say ::)' that an old fashioned torque converter may be smoother though.
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Hmmm, just done some browsing, and interestingly, although the DSG is covered in VAG warranty, the VAG recommended extended warranty excludes the DSG clutches! I wonder why. ::)
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Hmmm, just done some browsing, and interestingly, although the DSG is covered in VAG warranty, the VAG recommended extended warranty excludes the DSG clutches! I wonder why. ::)
A quick google suggest double clutch jobbies are not overly 'long lived' and can be jerky at low speed.
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What's wrong with a pedal and a stick?
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What's wrong with a pedal and a stick?
I believe Mr Shackeng to be quite long in the tooth. ;)
The physical effort required for a manual may see him into the next world. ;) :D :D
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What's wrong with a pedal and a stick?
I believe Mr Shackeng to be quite long in the tooth. ;)
The physical effort required for a manual may see him into the next world. ;) :D :D
Did he not have a stick in his aeroplane?
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
They're good at selecting two gears at once.
This immobilises the car, and does about £2500 worth of damage to the gearbox.
It's typical German engineering; seriously complicated for a very small gain
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What's wrong with a pedal and a stick?
I believe Mr Shackeng to be quite long in the tooth. ;)
The physical effort required for a manual may see him into the next world. ;) :D :D
Probably true. ::)
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
They're good at selecting two gears at once.
This immobilises the car, and does about £2500 worth of damage to the gearbox.
It's typical German engineering; seriously complicated for a very small gain
Yes, the salesman at VW tried to impress with the rapidity of the changes, which immediately left me feeling very cynical. :-X
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You will struggle for moderate power petrol estates, really, really struggle.
Better options are performance estates, V8's. Eg AMG 55, BMW 545/550, Audi RS6 Avant etc.
Otherwise it's diesel....
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
They're good at selecting two gears at once.
This immobilises the car, and does about £2500 worth of damage to the gearbox.
It's typical German engineering; seriously complicated for a very small gain
Nah VAG software engineers have programmed fail-safes into the latest ECU software
These units are sealed for life disposable ;)
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
They're good at selecting two gears at once.
This immobilises the car, and does about £2500 worth of damage to the gearbox.
It's typical German engineering; seriously complicated for a very small gain
Nah VAG software engineers have programmed fail-safes into the latest ECU software
These units are sealed for life disposable ;)
Let's hope that they're not the same software engineers who produced the Passat electronic handbrake with its atrocious reliability.
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You will struggle for moderate power petrol estates, really, really struggle.
Better options are performance estates, V8's. Eg AMG 55, BMW 545/550, Audi RS6 Avant etc.
Otherwise it's diesel....
??? Not too worried about power, but in any case both Mondeo and Skoda have 2.0l petrol engines that produce more than a 3.2 Omega. :y
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You will struggle for moderate power petrol estates, really, really struggle.
Better options are performance estates, V8's. Eg AMG 55, BMW 545/550, Audi RS6 Avant etc.
Otherwise it's diesel....
??? Not too worried about power, but in any case both Mondeo and Skoda have 2.0l petrol engines that produce more than a 3.2 Omega. :y
Go back fifty years and people would travel from Yorkshire to Cornwall in an Austin 1100 when taking a holiday. Even a glacially slow modern car (think STMO's Astra) will feel like a road-rocket in comparison. :y
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
Like most things, if you're a fan then they go on for ever, never need servicing and will handle a bajillion horsepowers without breaking a sweat. If you aren't a fan, then they are made of chocolate and cost £10bn to fix when they go wrong, which will be every 800yards.
Personal experience, SWMBO has a dsg in the yeti and i find it very nice. On the move you cannot spot the changes unless you are really going for it. In stop start traffic it was not as smooth as my M140i's "traditional" auto (when it worked) but was still smoother than the auto in my Mig. Also, without a torque converter you will get less transmission loss of power. Which may be significant if looking at a moderately powered estate car.
From memory, I believe that the 6 and 7 speed dsg units are actually completely different in how they work (1 is dry clutch, the other wet) and 1 is more problematic than the other. However, as with all things in cars and the internet, people only come online to moan so the problems are likely overblown.
Clutch packs aren't covered on extended warranty because they are a wearing part. Just like the clutch in a manual car.
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The position of the seat controls is the clue... On the seat equals part electric/part manual... Had these on mine and tricky to get just so... Switches on the door equals fully electric and infinitely adjustable and therefore much more comfy :y
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
Like most things, if you're a fan then they go on for ever, never need servicing and will handle a bajillion horsepowers without breaking a sweat. If you aren't a fan, then they are made of chocolate and cost £10bn to fix when they go wrong, which will be every 800yards.
Personal experience, SWMBO has a dsg in the yeti and i find it very nice. On the move you cannot spot the changes unless you are really going for it. In stop start traffic it was not as smooth as my M140i's "traditional" auto (when it worked) but was still smoother than the auto in my Mig. Also, without a torque converter you will get less transmission loss of power. Which may be significant if looking at a moderately powered estate car.
From memory, I believe that the 6 and 7 speed dsg units are actually completely different in how they work (1 is dry clutch, the other wet) and 1 is more problematic than the other. However, as with all things in cars and the internet, people only come online to moan so the problems are likely overblown.
Clutch packs aren't covered on extended warranty because they are a wearing part. Just like the clutch in a manual car.
Same ZF 8 speed auto as my car, I think. Not perfect but very fast shifts for an 'old fashioned' torque converter unit.
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Any comments, good or bad, about DSG gearboxes? :-\
Like most things, if you're a fan then they go on for ever, never need servicing and will handle a bajillion horsepowers without breaking a sweat. If you aren't a fan, then they are made of chocolate and cost £10bn to fix when they go wrong, which will be every 800yards.
Personal experience, SWMBO has a dsg in the yeti and i find it very nice. On the move you cannot spot the changes unless you are really going for it. In stop start traffic it was not as smooth as my M140i's "traditional" auto (when it worked) but was still smoother than the auto in my Mig. Also, without a torque converter you will get less transmission loss of power. Which may be significant if looking at a moderately powered estate car.
From memory, I believe that the 6 and 7 speed dsg units are actually completely different in how they work (1 is dry clutch, the other wet) and 1 is more problematic than the other. However, as with all things in cars and the internet, people only come online to moan so the problems are likely overblown.
Clutch packs aren't covered on extended warranty because they are a wearing part. Just like the clutch in a manual car.
True, Jimmy.
But I think any objective statistical analysis will prove a DSG box is more likely to fail, and cost more when it does.
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Very true. And I have little doubt the "traditional" autos are more reliable. However it is a question of how much more reliable. Which you cannot know without a full data set, which only VW has (for dsg) and other auto makers have for other gearboxes. There isn't a major noted design flaw with dsg's afaik that has necessitated a recall so I don't see that you shouldn't buy a car on the basis of it having a dsg.
as it is, all information on this is anecdotal i.e. I'm a recovery driver and I collect loads of failed dsg's. Or I've got one that's on 300k and going strong. On that basis, I can confirm that 100% of all BMW's (from a sample of 2) will develop faults in less than 6,000 miles and therefore should never be considered by anyone.
In truth I think dsg's are outdated technology, but when they came about, traditional autos were very different beasts that were ill suited to small engines and low co2 which were the desired order of the day.
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As said, the big picture is difficult to gauge from anecdotal evidence. I know a handful of people who have had DSG Passats. Every one has ended up dumping it for peanuts when the gearbox has started to play up in the face of a silly quote from a dealer for repair. Anecdotal evidence, of course, but enough to tell me all I need to know. Not with my barge pole.
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
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If it suits you then that is all that matters ;)
I hope it serves you well :y
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I see millions of them on my commute up and down the M1, and none of them are ever broken down at the side of the road so that's probably a good start!
And, honestly, they're not a bad looking car in estate form - I'd have considered one but I sat in the Superb first and never made it to the Ford garage! ;D :y
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
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It's your money, and your car but I guarantee two things...
1. It isn't an Omega. Subjectively speaking.
2. The E Class boot is significantly larger, costs less to service and is better built.
Hope it serves you well ;)
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Can't be many badge snobs here, Mr Shackeng. We drive a Vauxhall. ;)
One of our number even owned a low-rent Daewoo. :)
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
Is this the modern day replacement for 'Ghia'?
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
Is this the modern day replacement for 'Ghia'?
Ghia I think is dropped, used to be around fairly recently but even then it was not much above standard Spec. Titanium X is now top spec.
Where it was Ghia/Ghia X back in the Granada days.
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
Random example, fine looking Estate cars :y :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3)
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
Random example, fine looking Estate cars :y :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3)
I would find it hard to justify spending almost £26000 on a used Mondeo.
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Sorry......by hard to justify I mean impossible to justify.
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
Random example, fine looking Estate cars :y :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3)
I would find it hard to justify spending almost £26000 on a used Mondeo.
Ford's these days aint cheap, I've been looking at S-Max's even £10k only gets me 2010 Plate examples with ~60k on the clock
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
Is this the modern day replacement for 'Ghia'?
Ghia I think is dropped, used to be around fairly recently but even then it was not much above standard Spec. Titanium X Sport is now top spec.
Where it was Ghia/Ghia X back in the Granada days.
Fixed that for ya!
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Sorry......by hard to justify I mean impossible to justify.
Seems to me that name of the game is to load cars with as many electronic toys as possible to justify higher prices, with the material cost of the toys actually being quite low.
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
Random example, fine looking Estate cars :y :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3)
I would find it hard to justify spending almost £26000 on a used Mondeo.
Ford's these days aint cheap, I've been looking at S-Max's even £10k only gets me 2010 Plate examples with ~60k on the clock
To my way of thinking the Mondeo is a workhorse like a Vectra/Signum. Pick one up for a few hundred quid or sub £5000 for a good example.
£26000 for a Mondeo derv though........ :o :o :o :o :o :o.
For that kind of money a mouth-watering selection of cars become available.
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I like your choice a lot, Chris. When I've run my astra to destruction, that's exactly what I'll be be looking at.
Having said that, it's pretty hard to destroy an almost rust proof small engined car that seldom gets above 2500 revs. An acquaintance of mine has a 2010 1.6 astra saloon that he has owned from new. He's really looked after it and it's coming up to 140,000 miles and looks almost new.
Random example, fine looking Estate cars :y :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703093104471?postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=MONDEO&body-type=Estate&make=FORD&sort=price-desc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=3)
Diesel. No.
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Depends what you want though, OP clearly wants a decent estate.
Name another Estate as capable, with sub 5k miles. That's far more "mouth-watering"
But I see your point, if I had that amount of cash/budget available I'd consider XF Sportback or BMW 535i Estate. Be it with more miles and not as new.
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Depends what you want though, OP clearly wants a decent estate.
Name another Estate as capable, with sub 5k miles. That's far more "mouth-watering"
But I see your point, if I had that amount of cash/budget available I'd consider XF Sportback or BMW 535i Estate. Be it with more miles and not as new.
If we set a 'compromise figure' of about £10000 then I could be tempted by an R36 Passat estate. 8)
A £26000 Mondeo will drop more than £10000 within 12 months.
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That money would see these on the drive...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C847506
Parked next to one of these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703183414471?price-from=500&sort=sponsored&model=M5&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&body-type=Estate&page=1
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That money would see these on the drive...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C847506
Parked next to one of these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703183414471?price-from=500&sort=sponsored&model=M5&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&body-type=Estate&page=1
The V10 M5 is becoming more collectable. Not sure about the SMG box though. Aaron would know.
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That money would see these on the drive...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C847506
Parked next to one of these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703183414471?price-from=500&sort=sponsored&model=M5&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&body-type=Estate&page=1
Both of which are far older and have many more miles on the clock ... The one postulated is "almost" brand new with less than 6000 miles, so it's effectively a new car without having to pay the VAT ... if you wish to offer "alternatives" they should, at least, follow the same specification in regards to age and mileage ..... :)
And we don't know the mileage / age / cost of what Chris has chosen ... :)
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That money would see these on the drive...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C847506
Parked next to one of these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703183414471?price-from=500&sort=sponsored&model=M5&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&body-type=Estate&page=1
Both of which are far older and have many more miles on the clock ... The one Chris has chosen is "almost" brand new with less than 6000 miles, so he's effectively getting a new car without having to pay the VAT ... if you wish to offer "alternatives" they should, at least, follow the same specification in regards to age and mileage ..... :)
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You are correct, Mr Entwood. However, I would need to put my 'sensible head' on and I don't think I've ever owned one. ;)
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That money would see these on the drive...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C847506
Parked next to one of these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703183414471?price-from=500&sort=sponsored&model=M5&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&body-type=Estate&page=1
Both of which are far older and have many more miles on the clock ... The one postulated is "almost" brand new with less than 6000 miles, so it's effectively a new car without having to pay the VAT ... if you wish to offer "alternatives" they should, at least, follow the same specification in regards to age and mileage ..... :)
And we don't know the mileage / age / cost of what Chris has chosen ... :)
Both also require huge costs to service, if taking to garages which OP has stated he wants to do and no longer DIY.
Not to mention insurance or tyres or fuel costs :)
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The V10 M5 is becoming more collectable. Not sure about the SMG box though. Aaron would know.
I would love an M5 Touring, but at 100k on the clock that one is probably due some positively eye watering bills.. The SMG-II was expensive to fix on the older M3 and I did the work myself using non-BMW parts, at a dealer you'd basically have to give up a kidney to pay for it so god only knows how expensive the SMG-III would be to fix.. and if it's like the SMG-II it's awful around town as the 3->2 downshift makes you headbutt the dashboard every time. Great on track, great on a country lane blast, terrible at everything else.
DCT (F10 onward) or manual for me. Straight through exhaust and it sounds like a (proper) F1 car.
Wouldn't touch the Merc with a bargepole though as it appears to have fallen out of the ugly tree (sorry Al!) ;D An S212 E63 AMG, on the other hand.. would be a tough call between that and the M5 Touring.
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The V10 M5 is becoming more collectable. Not sure about the SMG box though. Aaron would know.
I would love an M5 Touring, but at 100k on the clock that one is probably due some positively eye watering bills.. The SMG-II was expensive to fix on the older M3 and I did the work myself using non-BMW parts, at a dealer you'd basically have to give up a kidney to pay for it so god only knows how expensive the SMG-III would be to fix.. and if it's like the SMG-II it's awful around town as the 3->2 downshift makes you headbutt the dashboard every time. Great on track, great on a country lane blast, terrible at everything else.
DCT (F10 onward) or manual for me. Straight through exhaust and it sounds like a (proper) F1 car.
Wouldn't touch the Merc with a bargepole though as it appears to have fallen out of the ugly tree (sorry Al!) ;D
Yes. I have read several customer reviews bitching that the SMG box is extremely jerky in give and take driving.
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It could have been fixed so easily in the software - it's not a hardware failing, after all. It just needed to either rev-match properly (never aggressive enough on the throttle and taking too long to re-engage the clutch) or be more gentle on the clutch .. just like a human being would be.
Great fun flying up to a hairpin on track and having it stab into 2nd gear, but not great when you're in school run traffic just trying to get to work.
Still .. I do still miss the M3; the 645ci is a very different barge car..
And none of this is really relevant to ol' Shack who just wanted a nice sensible estate to trundle in ;D
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It could have been fixed so easily in the software - it's not a hardware failing, after all. It just needed to either rev-match properly (never aggressive enough on the throttle and taking too long to re-engage the clutch) or be more gentle on the clutch .. just like a human being would be.
Great fun flying up to a hairpin on track and having it stab into 2nd gear, but not great when you're in school run traffic just trying to get to work.
Still .. I do still miss the M3; the 645ci is a very different barge car..
And none of this is really relevant to ol' Shack who just wanted a nice sensible estate to trundle in ;D
A Morris Minor Woody perhaps?
Ah nostalgia. :y
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The Merc is very much on my list as I have wanted one since the day it was launched, not actually fussed about the M5, just an example of what a £26k budget can buy...
It could also buy a £500 runner with an MoT...
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
Is this the modern day replacement for 'Ghia'?
I assume so, I am quite amazed at the goodies on it in TitX spec., plus all the stuff the Ford Manager had added, 12 speaker audio, rear view camera, blind spot alert, powered tailgate,active park assist, active city stop etc. etc. :y
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Don't call it Titx, you're leaving yourself wide open.
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For info, the car is 7 months old, 4200 miles, £21325, almost exactly 10k under list if you include the price of the options. I would have been happy to pay more for the right vehicle, but the Mercs offered were either all diesel, or mid £30k, so no good to me, and the seats I tried were no better than the Ford, and many of the options were not fitted, presumably too expensive for the original buyers. :y
Entwood may be interested, the car has technology via its tow bar connection to the tin tent, that should the van go into swerve mode, the car automatically takes control to stop it! Not that I will be towing. :y
I tried to see if BMW had anything, one 528i in petrol available in the country on their list, 120 miles, £35k or some such. Everything else is diesel. All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
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Well after some weeks of researching, trying seats in the few petrol newish estate cars available, I am back to the Ford Mondeo as the only car with the boot space that fits the bill for me, and I realise this will cause gnashing of teeth among the Ford haters and badge snobs.
I'm going for the 2.0L ecoBoost estate, Titanium X with £3000 worth of extras in shadow black.
Off you go lads, rant away. ;D :y
Sounds like it's latest shape? I think the new shape Mondeo Estates are great looking cars, especially in TitanmX spec 8)
Is this the modern day replacement for 'Ghia'?
Ghia I think is dropped, used to be around fairly recently but even then it was not much above standard Spec. Titanium X is now top spec.
Where it was Ghia/Ghia X back in the Granada days.
There is one more, Vignale, but I don't think it gets much more for the extra money. Valeting with service and rubbish like that. :y
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Don't call it Titx, you're leaving yourself wide open.
I have a lady friend who drive an Audi TT. She hates it when we call it the 'titty' ;D
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For info, the car is 7 months old, 4200 miles, £21325, almost exactly 10k under list if you include the price of the options. I would have been happy to pay more for the right vehicle, but the Mercs offered were either all diesel, or mid £30k, so no good to me, and the seats I tried were no better than the Ford, and many of the options were not fitted, presumably too expensive for the original buyers. :y
Entwood may be interested, the car has technology via its tow bar connection to the tin tent, that should the van go into swerve mode, the car automatically takes control to stop it! Not that I will be towing. :y
I tried to see if BMW had anything, one 528i in petrol available in the country on their list, 120 miles, £35k or some such. Everything else is diesel. All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
Being a petrol model means it is worth £21325 on it's own. Not that I have anything against derv. ::) ::) ::) :)
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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For info, the car is 7 months old, 4200 miles, £21325, almost exactly 10k under list if you include the price of the options. I would have been happy to pay more for the right vehicle, but the Mercs offered were either all diesel, or mid £30k, so no good to me, and the seats I tried were no better than the Ford, and many of the options were not fitted, presumably too expensive for the original buyers. :y
Entwood may be interested, the car has technology via its tow bar connection to the tin tent, that should the van go into swerve mode, the car automatically takes control to stop it! Not that I will be towing. :y
I tried to see if BMW had anything, one 528i in petrol available in the country on their list, 120 miles, £35k or some such. Everything else is diesel. All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
Being a petrol model means it is worth £21325 on it's own. Not that I have anything against derv. ::) ::) ::) :)
How many miles do you do a month?
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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I agree with what you say but Mr Shackeng's final paragraph about people moving toward petrol cars is growing, and will have a far bigger impact on running costs.
As derv becomes more undesirable used car prices will fall.
Hand on heart would you buy a brand new diesel powered car? Some people still will but the numbers are shrinking.
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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I agree with what you say but Mr Shackeng's final paragraph about people moving toward petrol cars is growing, and will have a far bigger impact on running costs.
As derv becomes more undesirable used car prices will fall.
Hand on heart would you buy a brand new diesel powered car? Some people still will but the numbers are shrinking.
Why wouldn't anyone buy a diesel? Nothing drastic has changed, apart from them talking about banning them in big cities. They are still more economical, and that's why people buy them. I hope the arse does fall out of the second hand market, I'll have one.
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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I agree with what you say but Mr Shackeng's final paragraph about people moving toward petrol cars is growing, and will have a far bigger impact on running costs.
As derv becomes more undesirable used car prices will fall.
Hand on heart would you buy a brand new diesel powered car? Some people still will but the numbers are shrinking.
Why wouldn't anyone buy a diesel? Nothing drastic has changed, apart from them talking about banning them in big cities. They are still more economical, and that's why people buy them. I hope the arse does fall out of the second hand market, I'll have one.
Well, that's you and Tunnie so far. ;) :D
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I have to say had I been still commuting I may have bought another diesel for economy, but as I do long journeys
- over 40 miles or so - only once a month if that, and as the writing is on the wall for Derv, petrol was the way to go. :y
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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I agree with what you say but Mr Shackeng's final paragraph about people moving toward petrol cars is growing, and will have a far bigger impact on running costs.
As derv becomes more undesirable used car prices will fall.
Hand on heart would you buy a brand new diesel powered car? Some people still will but the numbers are shrinking.
Why wouldn't anyone buy a diesel? Nothing drastic has changed, apart from them talking about banning them in big cities. They are still more economical, and that's why people buy them. I hope the arse does fall out of the second hand market, I'll have one.
Well, that's you and Tunnie so far. ;) :D
So tax is a key change, no longer are big thirsty petrol's targeted with silly high tax bands.
I'm looking forward to 2022 ish when brand new big engine petrols become good second hand buys, unlike today they won't have the silly £500+ tax price. Back to sensible prices.
But I don't see diesels falling of a cliff in value, second hand they are still desirable. People will still buy them new as well, why would people buy petrol? They are all for the most part small highly strung Turbo's. I mean 1.0 Turbo in Focus or Mondeo?? Turbo replacements won't be limited to diesels.
I do need a petrol for MrsT car, I'm being forced again to look at Zafira Tourer 1.4T as she only does town work 80% of the time.
But for my miles, diesel is still a key choice. If I had the money I'd upgrade my CC to a Jag XJ 3.0d like a shot :y
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About 50% of captur owners on the forum only do town runs in their diesels. Not one has had a problem with the dpf.
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If we had a crystal ball the future would be so much easier to predict.
If I'd had a crystal ball in 2014 I'd have put £200,000 on Leicester to win the title. Imagine how they would have laughed at the bookies. :y
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If we had a crystal ball the future would be so much easier to predict.
If I'd had a crystal ball in 2014 I'd have put £200,000 on Leicester to win the title. Imagine how they would have laughed at the bookies. :y
I don't think too much is going to happen in the very near future.
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But I don't see diesels falling of a cliff in value, second hand they are still desirable.
Look again, its already started.
A year ago, sub £12k XF Portfolio S were being snapped up quickly. Now I'm seeing the same cars for weeks on end...
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But I don't see diesels falling of a cliff in value, second hand they are still desirable.
Look again, its already started.
A year ago, sub £12k XF Portfolio S were being snapped up quickly. Now I'm seeing the same cars for weeks on end...
New XF out...
Besides @ £12k that's first generation prices, not even facelift. So with all new one out for some time, to be expected
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Ford dropped the Italian car styling firm "Ghia" in 2010. As we all now know Titanium is their top of range now. :y
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But I don't see diesels falling of a cliff in value, second hand they are still desirable.
Look again, its already started.
A year ago, sub £12k XF Portfolio S were being snapped up quickly. Now I'm seeing the same cars for weeks on end...
New XF out...
Besides @ £12k that's first generation prices, not even facelift. So with all new one out for some time, to be expected
Yet the petrols are holding their value.
Similar when you look at XJ as well. The demand for diesels is dropping now the first real warning shots have been fired.
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All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
I'm sure that this is music to Lord Opti's ears! :)
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All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
I'm sure that this is music to Lord Opti's ears! :)
In other news TheBoy has renewed his membership of FordMembersClub.com :y
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All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
I'm sure that this is music to Lord Opti's ears! :)
In other news TheBoy has renewed his membership of FordMembersClub.com :y
I quite like Fifi's and Mundanos. Its just Focii I don't like.
Actually, I don't like Mundanos with the 1l turbo ;D
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All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
I'm sure that this is music to Lord Opti's ears! :)
In other news TheBoy has renewed his membership of FordMembersClub.com :y
I quite like Fifi's and Mundanos. Its just Focii I don't like.
Actually, I don't like Mundanos with the 1l turbo ;D
I think a 1.0 Turbo in the Mondeo, would commit suicide when it saw you getting into the drivers seat. ;D
But somehow every Transit delivery van, every Transit minibus, Iveco Trucks and all Ford cars without a diesel? Hummm, yeah right. ;D
Not sure a 1.0 EcoBoost Full sized 16 seater Transit would do that well ;D
Just wait until these ecoshito units have Turbo's fail, then batteries on all Hybrids fail because they will. There will be press stories about how it's bad for the environment to dispose of Hybrid battery systems ::)
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Diesel has its place, Opti, and I don't mean in a bus. The economy savings are not to be sniffed at on a daily commute, where there is no need for speed or power. Wifey is getting over 50mpg from her captur 1.5d but was only getting 35 from her 1.6 petrol.
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I agree with what you say but Mr Shackeng's final paragraph about people moving toward petrol cars is growing, and will have a far bigger impact on running costs.
As derv becomes more undesirable used car prices will fall.
Hand on heart would you buy a brand new diesel powered car? Some people still will but the numbers are shrinking.
Why wouldn't anyone buy a diesel? Nothing drastic has changed, apart from them talking about banning them in big cities. They are still more economical, and that's why people buy them. I hope the arse does fall out of the second hand market, I'll have one.
Well, that's you and Tunnie so far. ;) :D
And me :y
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All the sales staff in all the garages are admitting that all buyers are coming in for petrol cars, the Ford salesman was told by Ford on a recent course that they will not be making diesels in 10 years. I suspect it will be less than that. :y
I'm sure that this is music to Lord Opti's ears! :)
In other news TheBoy has renewed his membership of FordMembersClub.com :y
I quite like Fifi's and Mundanos. Its just Focii I don't like.
Actually, I don't like Mundanos with the 1l turbo ;D
I think a 1.0 Turbo in the Mondeo, would commit suicide when it saw you getting into the drivers seat. ;D
But somehow every Transit delivery van, every Transit minibus, Iveco Trucks and all Ford cars without a diesel? Hummm, yeah right. ;D
Not sure a 1.0 EcoBoost Full sized 16 seater Transit would do that well ;D
Just wait until these ecoshito units have Turbo's fail, then batteries on all Hybrids fail because they will. There will be press stories about how it's bad for the environment to dispose of Hybrid battery systems ::)
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Tunnie has a point.
I actually put a deposit on an Infiniti M35H hybrid. I changed my mind when it became apparent that a new battery pack was around £20000, and as much as the car.
The salesman brushed it off with "I've never known one to fail".......Oh yeah.
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But somehow every Transit delivery van, every Transit minibus, Iveco Trucks and all Ford cars without a diesel? Hummm, yeah right. ;D
Not sure a 1.0 EcoBoost Full sized 16 seater Transit would do that well ;D
Remember, its within your lifetime that smoking in pubs was banned, something completely unthinkable 20yrs ago. Now the movement of making diesels socially unacceptable has started properly, you'll be surprised how quickly things can change. People can see this, hence the prices of second hand diesels dropping. Shackeng has been told by Ford salesmen that they expect to stop selling diesels in the not too distant future.
Maybe BP will regret their (denied) decision to rip out all LPG pumps, as LPG could be a viable answer, with proper factory spec dual fuel cars taking over from the soot chuckers. Certainly cleaner, and viable as a diesel replacement.
Remember, a 15yr old Tranny minibus will likely have the 2.5 diesel, producing 74bhp. The 1l ecoboost can be had in 120bhp form (and 140bhp in some of the chavved cars), and they reckon with another turbo can be 170bhp plus. Look at the (pre) launch guff for the ecoboost from 5 or more years back, and Ford state this engine design - direct injection, forced induction - was likely to result in less development into their diesels. The manufacturers knew unachievable (unless you're VW ::)) diesel emissions were coming, so all started looking at this kind of petrol design, with actual cars being available to the public around 4yrs ago.
Personally not a great fan of petrol turbos (or diesel turbos for that matter, but it is a necessary evil on a soot chucker), but that's the future for those of us where tizzy isn't viable.
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Oh, and Ford have access to larger variants, like the 200bhp 1.5, and there is a rumour of a 500+bhp 3l in the next year or so.
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But somehow every Transit delivery van, every Transit minibus, Iveco Trucks and all Ford cars without a diesel? Hummm, yeah right. ;D
Not sure a 1.0 EcoBoost Full sized 16 seater Transit would do that well ;D
Remember, its within your lifetime that smoking in pubs was banned, something completely unthinkable 20yrs ago. Now the movement of making diesels socially unacceptable has started properly, you'll be surprised how quickly things can change. People can see this, hence the prices of second hand diesels dropping. Shackeng has been told by Ford salesmen that they expect to stop selling diesels in the not too distant future.
Maybe BP will regret their (denied) decision to rip out all LPG pumps, as LPG could be a viable answer, with proper factory spec dual fuel cars taking over from the soot chuckers. Certainly cleaner, and viable as a diesel replacement.
Remember, a 15yr old Tranny minibus will likely have the 2.5 diesel, producing 74bhp. The 1l ecoboost can be had in 120bhp form (and 140bhp in some of the chavved cars), and they reckon with another turbo can be 170bhp plus. Look at the (pre) launch guff for the ecoboost from 5 or more years back, and Ford state this engine design - direct injection, forced induction - was likely to result in less development into their diesels. The manufacturers knew unachievable (unless you're VW ::)) diesel emissions were coming, so all started looking at this kind of petrol design, with actual cars being available to the public around 4yrs ago.
Personally not a great fan of petrol turbos (or diesel turbos for that matter, but it is a necessary evil on a soot chucker), but that's the future for those of us where tizzy isn't viable.
The reason I have gone for the largest engine available, is that hopefully it will be less stressed. Not bothered about economy due low mileage, well I run two Omegas ::), need I say more, one or both of which will no doubt appear in the For Sale section soon.