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Title: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 13 March 2017, 15:24:44
The dipstick tube was getting in the way of locating the TDC locking pin. So I decided it was coming out.

It came out with a bit of a wiggle (hardly any force at all), and the first thing I noticed was no "O ring" on the end of it.

I had a look around on the ground immediately thinking "don't have fallen into the sump"!

I found a broken rubber seal under the car which, looks like it may have been for the dipstick tube.

Inserting it into the hole, it certainly looks as though it's where it's come from.

As you can see from the picture however, if this is the seal, there is still a piece broken off / missing. I found a couple of other tiny bits of rubber and I couldn't tell you whether or not they were from this seal.

My worry is that the broken bit may have fallen into the sump, worst case scenario.

My gut feeling is that, given most of the seal is still intact, if there were a small amount dropped in, then it wouldn't get past the screen or cause any problems and would probably just break up and end up in the filter in tiny particles.

Any thoughts?

I'm off to the dealers shortly to pick up a new dipstick tube seal, so I can compart it against the bit I found.

I wish I knew what was wrong with me, I am losing confidence by the day, and today I've achieved the grand total of sod all other than creating more worries  :'(

(http://www.uk-chat.co.uk/bmw/bung.jpg)

Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 15:28:34
Can't see that doing any harm.

Can you post a picture of your face as you start her up for the first time? Pleeeeeeease.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 March 2017, 15:29:35
The dipstick tube was getting in the way of locating the TDC locking pin. So I decided it was coming out.

It came out with a bit of a wiggle (hardly any force at all), and the first thing I noticed was no "O ring" on the end of it.

I had a look around on the ground immediately thinking "don't have fallen into the sump"!

I found a broken rubber seal under the car which, looks like it may have been for the dipstick tube.

Inserting it into the hole, it certainly looks as though it's where it's come from.

As you can see from the picture however, if this is the seal, there is still a piece broken off / missing. I found a couple of other tiny bits of rubber and I couldn't tell you whether or not they were from this seal.

My worry is that the broken bit may have fallen into the sump, worst case scenario.

My gut feeling is that, given most of the seal is still intact, if there were a small amount dropped in, then it wouldn't get past the screen or cause any problems and would probably just break up and end up in the filter in tiny particles.

Any thoughts?

I'm off to the dealers shortly to pick up a new dipstick tube seal, so I can compart it against the bit I found.

I wish I knew what was wrong with me, I am losing confidence by the day, and today I've achieved the grand total of sod all other than creating more worries  :'(

(http://www.uk-chat.co.uk/bmw/bung.jpg)

Don't sweat the small stuff, James. It'll impact your physical and mental health in a negative way.

Go inside......have a beer.....have some sex. :y

Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 March 2017, 15:33:26
Shouldn't be an issue, if it is then the strainer is already clogged up.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 15:36:10
I forget why the head came off in the first place now.  :-\
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2017, 15:39:05
I forget why the head came off in the first place now.  :-\
No comression on cylinder 3 iirc ;)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Bigron on 13 March 2017, 15:44:16
James, sit down and relax; there's no rush and you are exceedingly competent, so look back at all the myriad of jobs that you have successfully completed. This is a minor worry of no real significance, amplified by your physical limitations and causing you frustration. Pause and look at the big picture - you are doing fine!  :y :y :y

Ron.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 15:46:22
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D You'll stop rushing and worrying a bit then. :)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 15:48:20
Just imagine that you're one of these fellas off the telly that take five years to put it back together again, if they can remember WTF it is.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 13 March 2017, 16:23:40
The head came off due to the previous keeper / mechanic breaking off glow plugs.

Although I secretly wanted to decoke it and check the valve seating

Anyway talking of sex. I just walked into the BMW dealership. The girls behind the counter? DAMN!!! Especially the blonde in the tights.

Next time, I won't turn up unshaved, covered in shit from engine, and in a Mondeo, to buy a £1 seal for my 17 year old 5 series  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 13 March 2017, 16:27:37
The head came off due to the previous keeper / mechanic breaking off glow plugs.

Although I secretly wanted to decoke it and check the valve seating

Anyway talking of sex. I just walked into the BMW dealership. The girls behind the counter? DAMN!!! Especially the blonde in the tights.

Next time, I won't turn up unshaved, covered in shit from engine, and in a Mondeo, to buy a £1 seal for my 17 year old 5 series  ;D

Get to STMO's age and you won't notice a pretty girl let alone have the energy to do anything about it. :)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Nick W on 13 March 2017, 16:31:24
It's German, so it's stupidly complicated and doesn't handle neglect or abuse at all well.
Then some bloody idiot poor sod gets the idea to 'fix it properly' and soon discovers a never ending queue of I ought to fix that as well while I'm at it problems.


Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: zirk on 13 March 2017, 16:32:33
Just put some sand in the sump, that will stop it from rattling about.  :y
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Nick W on 13 March 2017, 16:34:01
Anyway talking of sex. I just walked into the BMW dealership. The girls behind the counter? DAMN!!! Especially the blonde in the tights.

Next time, I won't turn up unshaved, covered in shit from engine, and in a Mondeo, to buy a £1 seal for my 17 year old 5 series  ;D


Don't ever wander into a Maserati dealership. Their receptionists are a special breed of decorative but dim in an attempt to distract from how truly terrible the car you've just bought is ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 13 March 2017, 16:34:33
Then some bloody idiot

Cheers Nick  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 16:51:01
The head came off due to the previous keeper / mechanic breaking off glow plugs.

Although I secretly wanted to decoke it and check the valve seating

Anyway talking of sex. I just walked into the BMW dealership. The girls behind the counter? DAMN!!! Especially the blonde in the tights.

Next time, I won't turn up unshaved, covered in shit from engine, and in a Mondeo, to buy a £1 seal for my 17 year old 5 series  ;D
It's not what you've got, lad, it's how you use it. Drive your 17 year old beemer through the showroom window, that'll get her attention.   ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JasonH on 13 March 2017, 17:00:12
I think you're doing a great job - you're just hitting all the snags that are always there.

My wife laughs when I tell her it's only a simple job and won't take long....although at the weekend I had a job that actually did take the expected amount of time. Ironically it was replacing the glow plugs in my BMW!

Cars, especially old ones are full of hidden "challenges".
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: X30XE on 13 March 2017, 17:05:04
I think you're doing a great job - you're just hitting all the snags that are always there.

My wife laughs when I tell her it's only a simple job and won't take long....although at the weekend I had a job that actually did take the expected amount of time. Ironically it was replacing the glow plugs in my BMW!

Cars, especially old ones are full of hidden "challenges".

I was joking with my next door neighbour friend at the weekend that we should start a youtube channel called "M&M's 5 minute jobs", with the running joke being that they all take at least an hour  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: X30XE on 13 March 2017, 17:06:02
Chin up James. It's not the first time you've a split ring ol' boy; daresay it won't be the last  :D ;)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Andy H on 13 March 2017, 22:22:49
If it did fall in

and

If any bits of it are small enough to get through the strainer

then they will be little pieces of rubber that will go straight through the oil pump without harming it and stop in the oil filter.

You worry too much...........

Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 14 March 2017, 21:18:01
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2017, 21:37:00
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Bigron on 14 March 2017, 22:05:35
Well, I am 29 and intend to stay that way, as I have done for a few years now..... :P

Ron.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 14 March 2017, 22:19:21
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(

Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2017, 22:22:48
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(
A lot of things happened since then. My life is totally different...........and yours too.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 March 2017, 22:27:03
I'm almost forty.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 14 March 2017, 22:28:48
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(
A lot of things happened since then. My life is totally different...........and yours too.

You're not wrong :(
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2017, 22:29:42
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(
A lot of things happened since then. My life is totally different...........and yours too.

You're not wrong :(
Remember when you were stepping out with Tunnie?  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 14 March 2017, 22:32:24
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(
A lot of things happened since then. My life is totally different...........and yours too.

You're not wrong :(
Remember when you were stepping out with Tunnie?  ;D

gotta look on the bright side. At least, by some miracle, I haven't impregnated anyone  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2017, 22:34:24
Your problem, James, is that you need to be older than you are.  ;D

Despite now being 33, I still get told this quite a lot  :-\.  ::)
33? Kinell...that's gone quick  :o

I was about 24 when I last met you  ::)

Sadly time flies :(
A lot of things happened since then. My life is totally different...........and yours too.

You're not wrong :(
Remember when you were stepping out with Tunnie?  ;D

gotta look on the bright side. At least, by some miracle, I haven't impregnated anyone  ;D
If you think cars are problematic......... :o
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Terbs on 14 March 2017, 23:03:17
Off topic a bit, but within other context...
Struth, did not realise you were that old, James...me and swmbo thought you were about 25 !!!!
Oh...and by the way.......I found your laptop case in my garage yesterday. Let me know when you are in, and I'll drop it in to you (subject to remembering where you live) ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 15 March 2017, 18:20:55
Remember when you were stepping out with Tunnie?  ;D
Or even going out with loverboy tunnie :P

(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/theboy/cambeltpartyfeb07/IMG_1789.JPG)

Now tell me that ain't suspect :P
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2017, 18:30:21
OMG.....that brings back memories  ;D Do you keep it in case Tunnie steps out of line?  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 15 March 2017, 18:31:39
OMG.....that brings back memories  ;D Do you keep it in case Tunnie steps out of line?  ;D
I had to go searching through old posts for that one. See, I'm dedicated to serving the OOF community :P
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 15 March 2017, 20:50:44
I look little older than a schoolboy in that photo, despite the fact I had changed about three or four cambelts that day.............

I call it exploitation.

To be fair, cambelt party aside, my main memories are being plied with very nice whisky by Hotel21, taking cold beers from TB's ice bucket, and leaning out of the car window to throw up on the way home  ;D ;D

It was only, like, 10 or so years ago  :-X ::)
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 15 March 2017, 20:59:14
I look little older than a schoolboy in that photo, despite the fact I had changed about three or four cambelts that day.............

I call it exploitation.

To be fair, cambelt party aside, my main memories are being plied with very nice whisky by Hotel21, taking cold beers from TB's ice bucket, and leaning out of the car window to throw up on the way home  ;D ;D

It was only, like, 10 or so years ago  :-X ::)
I was in a mucking fuddle that night, but don't recall H21 making it down to Brakkers on that occasion....
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 15 March 2017, 21:06:07
I look little older than a schoolboy in that photo, despite the fact I had changed about three or four cambelts that day.............

I call it exploitation.

To be fair, cambelt party aside, my main memories are being plied with very nice whisky by Hotel21, taking cold beers from TB's ice bucket, and leaning out of the car window to throw up on the way home  ;D ;D

It was only, like, 10 or so years ago  :-X ::)
I was in a mucking fuddle that night, but don't recall H21 making it down to Brakkers on that occasion....

Are you sure?

It may of course well be that, I was so pissed, I am confusing it with another night.

But I could have sworn it was on that occasion, wise old Broocie was bringing out the decent tipples...  :-\
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Webby the Bear on 15 March 2017, 21:49:34
Holy shite James.... you look like my work colleagues twin!

Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2017, 08:57:28
Are you sure?
Yup. First time I met Highlander was first Lakes meet...  ...this predated that.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: LC0112G on 16 March 2017, 10:57:04
Enough of all this man love - here are some grubby pictures of oily bits when my oil strainer got blocked and ended up destroying the bottom end.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/LC0112G/IMG_8777.jpg)

Then I fished out all of the stuff blocking the strainer :
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/LC0112G/IMG_8779.jpg)

I think the o ring in the second picture is a cam cover bolt hole oil ring, but the dipstick O ring is a similar size. From this I'd guess that even if your O ring does end up in the sump, and gets sucked into the strainer it ain't gonna bung anything up on it's own. So relax, and once you feel better consider a precautionary strainer check.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 March 2017, 11:01:37
Seeing that picture reminds me that I found a cam cover o ring in my sump a while ago. It'd probably been there for ages!  ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 March 2017, 11:34:47
I was in a mucking fuddle that night, but don't recall H21 making it down to Brakkers on that occasion....

'twas my first cam belt party, I believe.

Memories include following MaxV6 home after extensive surgery to his estate, whereupon he discovered that his scuttle and windscreen wipers hadn't been refitted. ;D

Baked bean tins weren't made out of Tunnie's Senator back then. It was looking a bit crispy, mind. Brush and dustpan at the ready.

TheBoy's neighbour  :-* .. er..  ..is married to a large rugby player. (http://www.the-wood-family.com/Smilies/allrun.gif)

.. and yes, quite a few cam belts changed. ;D We banished the 4-potters to an "offsite facility" to get theirs done, mind. ;D
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: Nick W on 16 March 2017, 12:32:19

I think the o ring in the second picture is a cam cover bolt hole oil ring, but the dipstick O ring is a similar size. From this I'd guess that even if your O ring does end up in the sump, and gets sucked into the strainer it ain't gonna bung anything up on it's own. So relax, and once you feel better consider a precautionary strainer check.


The sump on a BMW6, is massive and there's lots of stuff to remove before you can get it out. Little things like the subframe.
Unlike the Omega V6 where you undo a dozen(or so) small bolts and the sheet metal cover falls on the floor.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2017, 19:34:05
TheBoy's neighbour  :-* .. er..
Ah, yes, the lovely, if a bit shy, Claire :y


Mind you, the first neighbour here, the equally lovely Ros, scrubbed up nicely, and did insist on doing a strip tease very late one night when I had a bit of an open BBQ with some work mates  :-X
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 March 2017, 20:38:31
TheBoy's neighbour  :-* .. er..
Ah, yes, the lovely, if a bit shy, Claire :y


Mind you, the first neighbour here, the equally lovely Ros, scrubbed up nicely, and did insist on doing a strip tease very late one night when I had a bit of an open BBQ with some work mates  :-X

I expect you was too busy drinking Tea to notice.
Title: Re: Possible O ring in sump. Argh!
Post by: TheBoy on 17 March 2017, 14:11:32
TheBoy's neighbour  :-* .. er..
Ah, yes, the lovely, if a bit shy, Claire :y


Mind you, the first neighbour here, the equally lovely Ros, scrubbed up nicely, and did insist on doing a strip tease very late one night when I had a bit of an open BBQ with some work mates  :-X

I expect you was too busy drinking Tea to notice.
Honestly, I tried to stop her, and protect her modesty.  But I'm just a failure.... :P