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Title: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 26 March 2017, 21:26:20
Is there an easy way to locate an unwanted tracker in a car, It`s likely to be a sim card type cheapo tracker but just wondering if there an easy way to find it if it isn`t in the easy to get to places like behind the glovebox or ashtray.

The tracker was fitted by the uncle of SWMBO`s lads ex girlfriend, and now they split up he doesn`t their family knowing where he has moved to, his ex is a bit of a nutter  :D
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 March 2017, 22:12:37
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 26 March 2017, 22:23:03
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 March 2017, 22:30:57
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 26 March 2017, 22:37:24
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

Yeah seemed odd to me too, I was thinking it was more like one of those that use mobile sim cards and a battery for power, you can get them on ebay and Amazon for around £30.

I`ve just ordered a lock and latch from ebay for £20, just need to swap the barrels over and job jobbed  :y
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 March 2017, 22:51:13
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

Yeah seemed odd to me too, I was thinking it was more like one of those that use mobile sim cards and a battery for power, you can get them on ebay and Amazon for around £30.

I`ve just ordered a lock and latch from ebay for £20, just need to swap the barrels over and job jobbed  :y

If it used a battery it won't last that long ;)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 26 March 2017, 23:47:58
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

Yeah seemed odd to me too, I was thinking it was more like one of those that use mobile sim cards and a battery for power, you can get them on ebay and Amazon for around £30.

I`ve just ordered a lock and latch from ebay for £20, just need to swap the barrels over and job jobbed  :y

If it used a battery it won't last that long ;)

I`ll be hunting for it next weekend after I`ve replaced the tailgate lock, I have a sneaky feeling it may be around the as the steering column surround has been tampered with so that will be my first port of call  ;)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: omega2018 on 27 March 2017, 00:51:30
it will likely be in either bumper.   it needs a view of the sky to get satellite signals, unobstructed by steel.   could be under the dash near the windscreen or may be viewing the sky through rear windscreen.  also needs a power supply which will probably be from the car.  newer ones may have their own power supply or get signals bounced from the road perhaps. 
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: biggriffin on 27 March 2017, 05:06:36
Why not ask were they fitted it, as you are selling the car.
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 27 March 2017, 07:37:25
Why not ask were they fitted it, as you are selling the car.

The split from his girlfriend wasn`t very acrimonious so talking is out of the question  ;D
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: aaronjb on 27 March 2017, 08:41:55
Why not ask were they fitted it, as you are selling the car.

The split from his girlfriend wasn`t very acrimonious so talking is out of the question  ;D

acrimonious |ˌakrɪˈməʊnɪəs|
adjective
(typically of speech or discussion) angry and bitter: an acrimonious dispute about wages.

:P
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 March 2017, 09:40:23
it will likely be in either bumper.   it needs a view of the sky to get satellite signals, unobstructed by steel.   could be under the dash near the windscreen or may be viewing the sky through rear windscreen.  also needs a power supply which will probably be from the car.  newer ones may have their own power supply or get signals bounced from the road perhaps.

I doubt it... They're not normally designed to be fitted externally. Most units are perfectly capable of "seeing" the satellites from under the dash.
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 March 2017, 09:57:33
I guess it also depends whether a tracker is fitted overtly or covertly.  ;)

If you were to fit one to your own vehicle, it would make sense to put it somewhere warm and dry.  ie inside the the car.  :)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: biggriffin on 27 March 2017, 10:04:28
Did they actually fit it?
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 27 March 2017, 11:59:05
Why not ask were they fitted it, as you are selling the car.

The split from his girlfriend wasn`t very acrimonious so talking is out of the question  ;D

acrimonious |ˌakrɪˈməʊnɪəs|
adjective
(typically of speech or discussion) angry and bitter: an acrimonious dispute about wages.

:P

You knew what I meant  :P

Did they actually fit it?

As far as I know it was fitted.
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: aaronjb on 27 March 2017, 12:15:51
You knew what I meant  :P

Maybe.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: omega2018 on 27 March 2017, 13:16:01
it will likely be in either bumper.  it needs a view of the sky to get satellite signals, unobstructed by steel.   could be under the dash near the windscreen or may be viewing the sky through rear windscreen.  also needs a power supply which will probably be from the car.  newer ones may have their own power supply or get signals bounced from the road perhaps.

I doubt it... They're not normally designed to be fitted externally. Most units are perfectly capable of "seeing" the satellites from under the dash.
i did say 'in' not 'on'.  in a bumper is not 'fitted externally' ::)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: omega2018 on 27 March 2017, 13:25:42
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

just one wire and a ground connection which could easily be the screw holding it in place. :y
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 March 2017, 13:37:16
What other reason was it fitted for?

The answer is that it will be very easy to locate... But that's not information I would rush to disclose on an open forum ;)

The reason it was fitted was because after a rear end bump the tailgate failed to lock and you could get into the car and potentially steal it, so if it was stolen it could then be located.

Quite why they just didn`t get a second hand locking mechanism is beyond me  ::)

Anyway now they have split up he wants the tracker gone.

So they fitted a subscription service device instead of just a new lock? Sounds suspect to me ???

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

just one wire and a ground connection which could easily be the screw holding it in place. :y

So 2 connections then? Most have a switched live too ;)

it will likely be in either bumper.  it needs a view of the sky to get satellite signals, unobstructed by steel.   could be under the dash near the windscreen or may be viewing the sky through rear windscreen.  also needs a power supply which will probably be from the car.  newer ones may have their own power supply or get signals bounced from the road perhaps.

I doubt it... They're not normally designed to be fitted externally. Most units are perfectly capable of "seeing" the satellites from under the dash.
i did say 'in' not 'on'.  in a bumper is not 'fitted externally' ::)
It's also not water tight ::)

But clearly you know better than me. I mean, what do I know... I only fitted them for a living ::)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 March 2017, 14:16:00
Can't be told, won't be told ::)

My money is scotchlocked to the column wiring behind the cluster...
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Entwood on 27 March 2017, 14:20:13
might depend on the model / design of the tracker fitted .. the one in the tin-tent has a + ive, - tive, a GPS feed and a "telephone" feed. the last two to a remote "aerial" assembly. Simple reason the tin tent is that .. METAL and the aerial assembly is designed to go "outside" the metal box where it gets a decent phone signal and GPS signal.

So, it is "possible" that the one fitted here is similar ?? control box internal with the gps/phone  "head" under a bumper ??


:)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 March 2017, 16:01:51
might depend on the model / design of the tracker fitted .. the one in the tin-tent has a + ive, - tive, a GPS feed and a "telephone" feed. the last two to a remote "aerial" assembly. Simple reason the tin tent is that .. METAL and the aerial assembly is designed to go "outside" the metal box where it gets a decent phone signal and GPS signal.

So, it is "possible" that the one fitted here is similar ?? control box internal with the gps/phone  "head" under a bumper ??


:)

Yep. Most vehicle ones are a stand alone box, ranging from the size of a large box of matches to a small box of matches with 3 connections... Live, switched live and ground.

Some older ones have separate gps and/or gsm aerials as well.
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: omega2018 on 27 March 2017, 18:44:56

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

just one wire and a ground connection which could easily be the screw holding it in place. :y

So 2 connections then? Most have a switched live too ;)



you're right as always ::). two wires.  one of which looks remarkably like a screw  ;D
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 March 2017, 21:20:56

All trackers require at least 2, if not 3 or more extra wires ;)

just one wire and a ground connection which could easily be the screw holding it in place. :y

So 2 connections then? Most have a switched live too ;)



you're right as always ::). two wires.  one of which looks remarkably like a screw  ;D

I give in. Clearly your knowledge is far superior and you know that you don't mount the tracker unit to metal for danger of interference  ::)

I can't be bothered with arguing as there are far more important things.

To the OP... My experience of fitting trackers is clearly wrong. There are certain members on this forum who like to be argumentative and I have no intention of being drawn in :y
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 27 March 2017, 22:39:54


To the OP... My experience of fitting trackers is clearly wrong. There are certain members on this forum who like to be argumentative and I have no intention of being drawn in :y

No problem, your help is appreciated  :y

Whatever has been fitted wasn`t professionally done, judging by the clumsy work in the tailgate by the same guy  ;)

I`ll post up what, if anything I find at the weekend  :)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 March 2017, 22:48:50


To the OP... My experience of fitting trackers is clearly wrong. There are certain members on this forum who like to be argumentative and I have no intention of being drawn in :y

No problem, your help is appreciated  :y

Whatever has been fitted wasn`t professionally done, judging by the clumsy work in the tailgate by the same guy  ;)

I`ll post up what, if anything I find at the weekend  :)

In which case it is probably fitted with scotch locks with wiring likely sourced in the ignition switch area (as the easiest place to find the 2/3 connections needed)
Title: Re: Trackers
Post by: Mr Gav on 27 March 2017, 22:56:01


To the OP... My experience of fitting trackers is clearly wrong. There are certain members on this forum who like to be argumentative and I have no intention of being drawn in :y

No problem, your help is appreciated  :y

Whatever has been fitted wasn`t professionally done, judging by the clumsy work in the tailgate by the same guy  ;)

I`ll post up what, if anything I find at the weekend  :)

In which case it is probably fitted with scotch locks with wiring likely sourced in the ignition switch area (as the easiest place to find the 2/3 connections needed)

Which would explain the loose top cover to the steering column  ;)