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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 03 May 2017, 10:59:55
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39789903
I think the Eu have started off too low. They should have come up with say 982 billion so it didn't look like a figure plucked out of thin air. Then they could come down to a 100 billion and everyone would think they got a good deal. Good on Davis for saying "the UK would pay what was legally due, in line with its rights and obligations, but "not just what the EU wants". "
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I think there may come a point where we just have to walk away for a while, and tell them to stuff their single market. There'll be no money forthcoming and there'll be no free movement until they come to their senses. Bolshi little Belgian Bastards.....as John Cleese might say. ;D
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I think this is the way it will end up going STEMO, baring in mind we have now already had 5% of our allotted 2 years and as far as I can tell, the square route of sod all has happened, other than May wasting another couple of months on a sodding general election ::)
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I think this is the way it will end up going STEMO, baring in mind we have now already had 5% of our allotted 2 years and as far as I can tell, the square route of sod all has happened, other than May wasting another couple of months on a sodding general election ::)
Which she has been forced to do because the whole wasteful lot of them are more interested in snide remarks and bitching at each other rather than trying to get behind the elephant in the room which is Brexit
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The sodding General Election is a necessary evil as if we do withdraw from the EU with no agreement it will be down to unreasonable demands from the EU Commission (and Mrs Merkel) and the Government will need a strong majority to repeal the European Communities Act. ;)
I have read various things over the last few days like the European Parliament will veto any deal that dosn't give the EU full control over UK environment policy and labour law, Mrs Merkel is reported to have dismissed out of hand the idea that the UK owns a chuck of EU assets and the EU Commission has drawn up a list of 25 rights that EU citizens living in the UK must be granted, and that these rights should be overseen by the ECJ! ::)
A lot of this is journalistic gossip and speculation, but as the old saying goes "There's no smoke without fire!" :)
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Yes, Tigger, the EU want to keep most of the reasons people voted to leave.
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Her general election isn't really slowing the process, as nothing really serious wlil happen until after the French and German elections are done and dusted.
Also, historically the EU method of doing deals is to be intransigent until the last minute of the last hour, and then thrash something out in an all night meeting.
The talk of £100 billion etc. is just sabre rattling, an opening salvo to try and unsettle the opposition. An attempt to find out of we will panic and cave in at the first sign of trouble.
Take no notice of it. ;)
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Yes, Tigger, the EU want to keep most of the reasons people voted to leave.
Of course, if they're not careful, everyone will want one!
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Yes, Tigger, the EU want to keep most of the reasons people voted to leave.
The hard facts are that we will be paying some in for a period as we signed up to many agreements and committed to the spend (Horizon 2020 being an obvious one), clearly this will reduce as the agreements mature.
Did people really think you could just go 'sod off' and walk away ;D ;D ;D
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Her general election isn't really slowing the process, as nothing really serious wlil happen until after the French and German elections are done and dusted.
Also, historically the EU method of doing deals is to be intransigent until the last minute of the last hour, and then thrash something out in an all night meeting.
The talk of £100 billion etc. is just sabre rattling, an opening salvo to try and unsettle the opposition. An attempt to find out of we will panic and cave in at the first sign of trouble.
Take no notice of it. ;)
Nicely blown out of all proportion by the gutter press of course :y
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Yes, Tigger, the EU want to keep most of the reasons people voted to leave.
The hard facts are that we will be paying some in for a period as we signed up to many agreements and committed to the spend (Horizon 2020 being an obvious one), clearly this will reduce as the agreements mature.
Did people really think you could just go 'sod off' and walk away ;D ;D ;D
The people who voted to leave thought exactly that, because that's what they were told by the politicians who were determined to leave at any cost. Ironically, those who voted leave were mainly the people it will affect least of all and, having lit the blue touch paper, they have now retired to a safe distance.
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Well, they do need a headline every day. ;)
The facts and figures quoted in the press are what politicians would ideally, like to happen. The reality will kick in, when they have to take notice of the pressure from the many European commercial interests who aren't going to have their businesses severely damaged by petty minded egotists who have never had to generate revenue in order to pay bills, wages etc.
I'm not a big fan of Theresa May (so far) but she is right about one thing. The referendum is over, this is happening, and in order to get the best deal for the future of the UK, its time for everyone to get behind the cause and unite behind our own country. A bit of Dunkirk spirit, will go a long way.
We can get back to good old British bitching and arguing after the dust has settled.
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Yes, Tigger, the EU want to keep most of the reasons people voted to leave.
The hard facts are that we will be paying some in for a period as we signed up to many agreements and committed to the spend (Horizon 2020 being an obvious one), clearly this will reduce as the agreements mature.
Did people really think you could just go 'sod off' and walk away ;D ;D ;D
No obviously there are commitments that have to be honoured, but most of these end in 2020 and I'm sure that we will participate in various EU programmes like Horizen 2020 or Europol like we participate in and pay for membership of other international bodies.
My view (and I realise this is simplistic) is that our financial commitments to the EU ends in 2020 when the current EU budget finishes. Given that our net subs are around £10 billion a year and there are 3 years till 2020, then we owe £30 billion (give or take a bit) less our share of EU assets. :y
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We can of course just walk away and tell them to get in touch if they want to talk about a trade deal. We would then deal with them under WTO rules, the same way we deal with everyone else. And its also the same way they trade with the rest of the world.
Personally, I see that as a very realistic possibility, as it would hurt them a lot more than it hurts us.
The best scenario is to have a decent deal, but that depends on both sides being sensible, but how often are politicians sensible ?
I suspect the EU are planning on trying to play very dirty. The fact that despite the very bloody history, they are currently trying to stir up Irish nationalism, shows there are no depths they wont sink to.
The CEO of Vag, Mercedes, BMW, PSA, Renault, Fiat etc. etc. wont care about any of that. They wont want to accept restricted access to a hugely lucrative market, and people in their position tend to steer politicians on to sensible ground.
As always though, only time will tell.
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I suspect the EU are planning on trying to play very dirty.
Yes it was a bit naughty leaking details of 'the dinner' and the opinions of Junker that Theresa May is 'delusional' and 'on another galaxy' during a General Election campaign. ::)
Maybe they don't want Mother Theresa and the Conservatives to get back in with a strong mandate. :)
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TBH they could do anything they like and it won't impact on the Tory majority one iota. You only have to look at the assorted cretins arrayed against her to see that May will walk away with a sizeable majority. My guess is it will be the biggest since B. Liar in '97
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The EU interfering in the UK election is very understandable and in their interests where they want to keep our memberships fees rolling in to subsidise mainland Europe, especially French peasant farmers. After all, there is a long history on this, from making people vote in referendums until they get the right result to deposing a democratically elected government in Greece and the prime minister in Italy with their own 'officials'.
The reality is that there are no leaving penalties in any of the treaties as is normal for this type of agreement. The advantage the EU has is that an all-out trade war will hurt us more in the short term, but the EU much more in the long term as we substitute their food and goods with cheaper ones from the rest-of-the-world. French farmers will be very quickly screaming louder than their stuffed pigs. :) and the EU won't like the drop in UK car sales. The most likely case will be resorting by both sides to WTO import tariffs, which will hit Europe much more than us. This averages 3.5%, with the exception with much higher tariffs being cars and food. With the world awash with cheap food, replacing this for cheaper suppliers will be very easy. For example, Spain will lose the UK salad market where Africa will be much cheaper. :y :y
How good our leaving terms are will depend upon where it is democratically member governments or the unelected EU has the upper hand. The EU's aim will be to punish us as an example regardless of the cost to them and us, as unlike the member governments they never have to face the ballot box! :(
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But Merkel does have to face the ballot box, and she calls the shots. She says jump, Junkcer etc. say how high.
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TBH they could do anything they like and it won't impact on the Tory majority one iota. You only have to look at the assorted cretins arrayed against her to see that May will walk away with a sizeable majority. My guess is it will be the biggest since B. Liar in '97
I have bookmarked that. ;D
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So that it can be more easily added to my litany of incorrect political predictions :y.
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TBH they could do anything they like and it won't impact on the Tory majority one iota. You only have to look at the assorted cretins arrayed against her to see that May will walk away with a sizeable majority. My guess is it will be the biggest since B. Liar in '97
I have bookmarked that. ;D
I completely agree with it. :y
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Just listening to the nasty rhetoric on the telly. After Brexit, there will be a huge amount of bad feeling.
We haven't had a war with Germany for a while, and France for yonks. ;D
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Just listening to the nasty rhetoric on the telly. After Brexit, there will be a huge amount of bad feeling.
We haven't had a war with Germany for a while, and France for yonks. ;D
Looks like your avatar's fingers have been practising pressing big red buttons. ;D ;D ;D Which hand is used for the launch against which country? ???
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BBC News at 10. :)
Laura Keunssburg frothing at the mouth at Mother Theresa's comments about EU politicians and bureaucrats! She didn't say it, but she might as well as said "How dare she!" ::)
Katya Adler just looked shellshocked! ;D
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We should demand how much? :o :D ;D
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Why don't we tell them, we will withdraw from NATO, and see what they think of that.
alfie
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But Merkel does have to face the ballot box, and she calls the shots. She says jump, Junkcer etc. say how high.
All export lead manufacturing nations are totally dependent on customers buying their goods and therefore as Germany's second-biggest export market, Merkel will be pragmatic in getting a deal.
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Why don't we tell them, we will withdraw from NATO, and see what they think of that.
alfie
What would that prove? It is a bit like you threatening the EU by telling them unless they agree to the UK deal you will stop buying an EU company's house insurance policy! NATO is essentially a mutual (and pooled when Article 5 is triggered) insurance policy.
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Also Alfie, the Frenchies aren,t great fans of NATO anyway.
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Also Alfie, the Frenchies aren,t great fans of NATO anyway.
They'd much rather surrender..
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Laura Keunssburg is the turd of journalism. She is top of the class at the BBC for being totally biased. She should be taken off air !!!! >:(
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Obviously of German parentage, Tony, perhaps she'd like to f**k off to live there...and take her twisty gob with her ;D
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Obviously of German parentage, Tony, perhaps she'd like to f**k off to live there...and take her twisty gob with her ;D
Couldn't have put it better myself, Steve. OMG I hate her with a vengeance, not just on Brexit but anything political. Cow and half !!! >:(