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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 08 May 2017, 14:52:43
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Interesting article here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39830113
about 1.2 million Scottish jobs at stake in the next ten years . Presumably the same applies to the rest of the Uk and indeed Europe for that matter.
You only need to see how cars are built now and how complex food harvesting jobs are now being done to see it is a reality. The only questions are how many jobs will be lost and what will people do for work? Mind you I lived through the Seventies when were were unequivocally told that computers were going to do our jobs and that we need to prepare for more leisure time and the reality of 4 or possibly 3 day weeks. Look how that worked out!! I spend around half a day a week working for computers well Microsoft.
How do you think it will pan out?
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The Luddites said something similar in the 1800s . . . .
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I did suggest at work that we subcontracted all the mundane jobs in order that we could concentrate on the more interesting stuff that is currently contracted out...
The union reps face was a picture ;D
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Can't they make robot union reps these days? :P I'd have thought that would be one of the most straightforward jobs to automate. :-X
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Nothing new really. ;)
Agriculture used to require a large workforce even on modest farms, yet 20 years ago I worked on a 19,000 acre farm in Western Australia where we ploughed up and seeded 8000 acres of wheat between 3 of us! :) :y
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Can't they make robot union reps these days? :P I'd have thought that would be one of the most straightforward jobs to automate. :-X
Shooting them, whilst technically less challenging, is far more efficient...
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Nothing new really. ;)
Agriculture used to require a large workforce even on modest farms, yet 20 years ago I worked on a 19,000 acre farm in Western Australia where we ploughed up and seeded 8000 acres of wheat between 3 of us! :) :y
Agreed it is nothing new but the question really is what new jobs will there be? The State wouldn't want more people unemployed. Plus it wants the next generation working till they are 70 170 to pay for their pensions. Plus the next generation will need to save a fantastic amount to pay for their care as medical science keeps them alive beyond serviceable age.
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Nothing new really. ;)
Agriculture used to require a large workforce even on modest farms, yet 20 years ago I worked on a 19,000 acre farm in Western Australia where we ploughed up and seeded 8000 acres of wheat between 3 of us! :) :y
Agreed it is nothing new but the question really is what new jobs will there be? The State wouldn't want more people unemployed. Plus it wants the next generation working till they are 70 170 to pay for their pensions. Plus the next generation will need to save a fantastic amount to pay for their care as medical science keeps them alive beyond serviceable age.
Why worry? I'll be dead and you'll be dead.
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Automation will I think become ever more prevalent as manufacturers seek to increase productivity and boost profits.However there must surely come a tipping point where unemployment caused by automation means people can't afford to buy the stuff the robots are making.Perhaps everyone would have to re-train as robot engineers to fix them when they go wrong!
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This is happening relatively rapidly in the city. Computer algorithm programmes set up to do the trading, hence many applicants for any trading jobs still done by humans.
It was bad enough when humans got it wrong, but what are we going to do when its all facked up by computers that we cant do anything at all about ?
If they get hacked, the worlds economies could crash into utter chaos overnight.
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Automation will I think become ever more prevalent as manufacturers seek to increase productivity and boost profits.However there must surely come a tipping point where unemployment caused by automation means people can't afford to buy the stuff the robots are making.Perhaps everyone would have to re-train as robot engineers to fix them when they go wrong!
That's when the revolution happens, brother.
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This is happening relatively rapidly in the city. Computer algorithm programmes set up to do the trading, hence many applicants for any trading jobs still done by humans.
It was bad enough when humans got it wrong, but what are we going to do when its all facked up by computers that we cant do anything at all about ?
If they get hacked, the worlds economies could crash into utter chaos overnight.
One day somebody will pull the plug out ! For sure. Governments, companies, everyone is "online this" and online that". What will happen when suddenly there is no "online" ??? Or a super mastermind hacker takes it all over and holds the World to ransom Mwwwwaaaaaahahahaha
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You should switch it on more often! :)
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Auto STEMO talks a lot more sense than Uncle STEMO! :-X
You should switch it on more often! :)
if you think my iPad is good at impersonating a human, you want to see my phone. It's an android.
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Ohhhhhh.......I crack myself up.......sigh.....
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The jobs market has been gradually changing since the 1970's with the Internet accelerating this. The end result has been the jobs market becoming much more polarised. The number jobs that require thinking and creativity have grown in number and remuneration and generally require a college or degree level education and are paid at rates well above the minimum wage, often considerably above with good perks. The is a perpetual shortage of good people to fill these jobs with good annual pay inflation if an employee and bad if an employer.
There are other skilled jobs that have generally seen there wages fall and numbers decrease and then there are the rest. If they are lucky the living wage, but much more likely the minimum wage and if they are lucky a contract with specified hours but all too often a zero hours contract.
The employment rates have held up well in this country compared to most. A big problem in the US is the high number of 24-54 year-old working age males that are unemployed and no longer looking for work. Seeing the much worse performance by boys in our educational system, will the long term trend also be the same here?
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This is happening relatively rapidly in the city. Computer algorithm programmes set up to do the trading, hence many applicants for any trading jobs still done by humans.
It was bad enough when humans got it wrong, but what are we going to do when its all facked up by computers that we cant do anything at all about ?
If they get hacked, the worlds economies could crash into utter chaos overnight.
One day somebody will pull the plug out ! For sure. Governments, companies, everyone is "online this" and online that". What will happen when suddenly there is no "online" ??? Or a super mastermind hacker takes it all over and holds the World to ransom Mwwwwaaaaaahahahaha
Not being one to spread fake news, but the word on the street is that a certain Lord Opti and his sidekick Mater Rog have this all planned and are going to press the destruct button on June the 8th. ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
They wouldn't want my limbs ;D
Now my old todger........... ::)
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Some years ago I did a Degree in Product Engineering with Manufacturing Systems at Coventry Polytechnic
At one point in the Final year, in one of the lectures, there was a massive row between one of the older students, (who had worked on the factory floor as a labourer before getting promoted, and going to night school, and eventually doing a HNC and then getting onto the full time degree
), and the lecturer.
The row was that one, thought automation and industrial engineering was designed to take jobs from honest hard working people, and that the other was trying to tell him that the job of a production engineer, was to design a manufacturing method that allowed any company to compete on both price and acceptable quality, and if price and quality could only be achieve by minimising the number of people, then YES it was our job to find ways of getting rid of people.
But if we are to compete globally, we need to be cheaper OR better.
People are expensive and they make mistakes.
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Agreed, New POD; I made a mistake once - I seem to remeber there was this vicar..... :(
Ron.
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
Well, I look after the building they work in, so I guess I'm safer than most. :D
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Albs, with your generous and helpful nature, you are GUARANTEED a permanent safe place! :y 8) ;D
Ron.
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
They wouldn't want my limbs ;D
Now my old todger........... ::)
Ah yes we also know you'll be first in the queue when they bring out Robo-Todger! ;D
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Albs, with your generous and helpful nature, you are GUARANTEED a permanent safe place! :y 8) ;D
Ron.
I was told something similar to that by my last boss. Then after 20 years of hard graft, got instant dismissal for having a gammy leg. Despite the fact I had the gammy leg since 1976. ::) ;D
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
They wouldn't want my limbs ;D
Now my old todger........... ::)
Ah yes we also know you'll be first in the queue when they bring out Robo-Todger! ;D
;D ;D ;D
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It is an interesting problem, which, as said will only grow as time marches on, I can see (I know some will disagree) that within 25(ish) years there will be few if any professional driving jobs, very few production/manufacturing jobs, not to mention a number of professional jobs falling by the wayside - I'm thinking accountants, payroll transactions, banking jobs etc etc.
Ultimately the way we tax companies will have to radically change if we want to continue to support the kind of society we have (or would like to have). Over the past 20-30yrs the percentage of companies gross profit that has gone to shareholders has steadily increased and the corresponding percentage going to employees has decreased, along with the number of employees too. This is one of the chief drivers of inequality and
One interesting solution, which I think has merit is the taxation of robots in businesses in a similar way to which we tax them for employees. The proceeds generated are then used to fund services. Ultimately I think we will end up moving to some kind of universal income model as jobs become fewer and further between.
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If you aren't Engineers (Electronic or Computer), you will have no value to society, so you may as well be sent to an organ/limb bank to keep the above Engineers in good repair.
Ron.
They wouldn't want my limbs ;D
Now my old todger........... ::)
Ah yes we also know you'll be first in the queue when they bring out Robo-Todger! ;D
;D ;D ;D
I don't know... Are you any good at changing batteries, STEMO? :D
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That might be true of the developed world, but what about where labour is cheap :-\
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That might be true of the developed world, but what about where labour is cheap :-\
Most of them already have sizeable todgers ;D
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It is an interesting problem, which, as said will only grow as time marches on, I can see (I know some will disagree) that within 25(ish) years there will be few if any professional driving jobs, very few production/manufacturing jobs, not to mention a number of professional jobs falling by the wayside - I'm thinking accountants, payroll transactions, banking jobs etc etc.
Ultimately the way we tax companies will have to radically change if we want to continue to support the kind of society we have (or would like to have). Over the past 20-30yrs the percentage of companies gross profit that has gone to shareholders has steadily increased and the corresponding percentage going to employees has decreased, along with the number of employees too. This is one of the chief drivers of inequality and
One interesting solution, which I think has merit is the taxation of robots in businesses in a similar way to which we tax them for employees. The proceeds generated are then used to fund services. Ultimately I think we will end up moving to some kind of universal income model as jobs become fewer and further between.
We are going over to automation and robots because of our high-cost base and labour costs compared to much of the rest of the world, so if we tax robots they will also get all of the automated factories and offices as well! How is any UK wealth then going to be created?
Don't forget that 50% of our food has to be imported, so how is the money for that going to be found?
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We are going over to automation and robots because of our high-cost base and labour costs compared to much of the rest of the world, so if we tax robots they will also get all of the automated factories and offices as well! How is any UK wealth then going to be created?
The same way it is now, through innovation and highly specialised/skilled manufacture and services. As a small country, with very few natural resources, we could never hope to compete in mass manufacture in any case, relying as we do on imports, we cannot operate on an isolationist agenda, at least not without sacrifices to living standards that would be unacceptable to the majority.
The problem isn't one of wealth creation, its one of wealth distribution. At the moment we are on a course where wealth is concentrated into assets (property, shares etc) and these assets are held by fewer and fewer people.
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And then you're into us all being a part of Uk/World Corp... homogonised and controlled as one... same food, same clothes, same number of licenced children...
I appreciate that alot of this is already true, but it isn't a big leap to see us being paid in credits and having everything given to us regardless of want or need.
Genuine population control won't be far behind.
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Marxism by remote control. I hope I don't live to see it. :(