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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: LaxeyStu on 11 May 2017, 19:57:19
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I know there is a procedure for refitting gaskets to the V6 rocker covers.
If you want a more permanent repair, can the rocker covers be replaced? I am aware of the metal vectra rocker covers.
I think Omega rocker covers are no longer a new spare part (and would be costly). Is it plausible to buy used ones and try them?
The resealing cost is the gaskets (£90?) plus labour (couple hrs?)
Thanks
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Done properly, the standard ones are fine. Its when they are done badly...
Vectra covers "fit", but the oil filler is awkward, and any problems with the breather system tend to blow the crank seals, rather than the cam cover gaskets.
I wouldn't recommend changing away from the standard Omega, but your car, your choice :)
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The covers are available from Vauxhall. And are monstrously expensive (£300 + when I last enquirer). They do come with the new gaskets though :y
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The covers are available from Vauxhall. And are monstrously expensive (£300 + when I last enquirer). They do come with the new gaskets though :y
That's mega expensive!! I'd go to a different dealership if I were you.....I bought a brand new packaged pair of genuine V6 cam covers (complete with gaskets and o rings of course) late last year from my local Vauxhall garage for approx £160 (give or take a couple of £'s without me getting the receipt out).
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That price isn't just ridiculous, it's obscene!
Unless the covers are distorted from over-tightening, second hand ones should suffice. Try sending a request to Breakeryard.com; they will message a whole host of scrappies for you and email those near you, with prices.
Ron.
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What vintage V6 is it, 2.5/3.0 or 2.6/3.2 ?
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2.6.
Thanks for the responses.
I am nervous of used ones, because my mechanic might be unconvinced. New ones at 160 sounds good ...
I wasn't going to go down the vectra covers option.
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That price isn't just ridiculous, it's obscene!
Unless the covers are distorted from over-tightening, second hand ones should suffice. Try sending a request to Breakeryard.com; they will message a whole host of scrappies for you and email those near you, with prices.
Ron.
How do you know secondhand ones haven't been over tightened then?
If it was a five minute job to change them, then it may be worth fitting secondhand ones to try them. But as it isn't....I'd rather do the job just once and be done with it.
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That's a fair point, johnnydog, of course you canot know the degree of tightening, but I would have thought that distortion due such over-tightening would be noticeable?
Of course, I could be wrong.....I DID make a mistake once!
Ron.
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A friend of mine who has been a mechanic (sorry technician!) at VX for years says that when V6 Omegas were coming in regularly for leaking cam covers, they only used to change the rubber gaskets/ seals, and that invariably cured the problem. I suppise going back to when they were being done under warranty, VX would probably only authorise new seals as it would have been the cheaper option. If that hadn't cured the problem, then they may have replaced the covers.
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Checking cam covers is I think easy enough.If they've "warped" due to over tightening-or is it age/heat that does it?-then they tend to "bow"outwards along their length,so all you need is a straight edge[a 12"inch ruler or similar]to check how true they are.That's what I did when I found mine were out of true.
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Forgot to mention I believe one or two on here are using aftermarket gaskets on their cars and last I knew were reporting no leaks.
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No shortage of 2nd hand ones on ebay,sub £60 a pair. :y
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They do seem inexpensive from Vauxhall - got a quote of £205 for both sides.
They are cheaper used, and they perhaps don't need to be perfect, but they would be £120, so worth the extra as I'm not doing the job.
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Ok, clearly my local Vauxhall dealer are over charging. What dealers are you talking to to get these low (relatively) prices? Bear in mind these are the prices for me ordering through my garage where I work! So they should be the same as on TC if applicable
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It was just a standard enquiry at Drive Vauxhall (Patchway, if that makes a difference). I hope I get the right thing!
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Ok, clearly my local Vauxhall dealer are over charging. What dealers are you talking to to get these low (relatively) prices? Bear in mind these are the prices for me ordering through my garage where I work! So they should be the same as on TC if applicable
No, a garage will get Trade. Trade Club is cheaper for Trade Club items.
(not that I think cam covers are a TC item, never used to be)
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It was just a standard enquiry at Drive Vauxhall (Patchway, if that makes a difference). I hope I get the right thing!
Ok, just noticed you have a 2.2 ::) my bad.
Called Vauxhall this morning and they confirmed for the PAIR of V6 cam covers.....£324 + vat. That's the best they can do. So I imagine retail would be well over that.
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Ok, clearly my local Vauxhall dealer are over charging. What dealers are you talking to to get these low (relatively) prices? Bear in mind these are the prices for me ordering through my garage where I work! So they should be the same as on TC if applicable
No, a garage will get Trade. Trade Club is cheaper for Trade Club items.
(not that I think cam covers are a TC item, never used to be)
Yeah sorry I meant trade. But as you say if they're not available on TC then my price should be a lot cheaper than the 160 quoted.
Though as I write this it looks like his is for a 2.2 so therefore mystery solved :y
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2.6.
Thanks for the responses.
I am nervous of used ones, because my mechanic might be unconvinced. New ones at 160 sounds good ...
I wasn't going to go down the vectra covers option.
Ok. I see you actually DO need v6 ones. Sorry busy morning ::)
The Vx bloke said £135 + vat for ONE cover. Therefore your quote of £160 looks like he only priced up one inc. vat.
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I suspect my price is wrong. Maybe for the gasket only.
I did double-check this, but it's the usual story. Will need to see on Monday...
Thanks for the responses.
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Well do post up what you receive. Cos if it's a set I'll be taking a trip up your way :y
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There are genuine brand new genuine GM 2.6 / 3.2 cam covers on Ebay in the US at just over £53, with delivery of approx £14. If you bought both sides, combining postage, it would probably cost a total of about £125 / £130. Seems like a bargain to me worthy of a punt.....
But, can I hear the EBay sceptics beginning to rant???... :D
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Having trouble finding these. Could you give the search terms for these? Sounds good.
Thanks.
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If you search under the part numbers GM 55351452 (o/s) and GM 55351453 (n/s) it will bring up some used in the UK ,and several USA sellers (presumably aimed at Cadillac owners).
The one I saw was the n/s, item no 152458150317
I've looked at listings for the o/side, and they show the same parts diagram for both sides(?), probably as a result of lazy listing practices of listing similar items.
I know it's just basics, but I'd just take into account price compared with the listed postage costs AND their feedback rating, but personally I'd also email them to specify which side you are buying from them, if you don't get both from the same seller.
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There are genuine brand new genuine GM 2.6 / 3.2 cam covers on Ebay in the US at just over £53, with delivery of approx £14. If you bought both sides, combining postage, it would probably cost a total of about £125 / £130. Seems like a bargain to me worthy of a punt.....
But, can I hear the EBay sceptics beginning to rant???... :D
lol I'm not averse to using fleabay. Just couldn't understand how u got them cheaper. Now I know :y
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lol I'm not averse to using fleabay. Just couldn't understand how u got them cheaper. Now I know :y[/quote]
I actually sourced mine through my local Vauxhall dealer here in the UK!
Maybe they were 'out of date stock', i.e. ones that had been gathering dust 'on the shelf' for a while. Still sealed in their packaging, so it would have been very rude of me to say no - especially as I now know what other dealers are asking......
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I got my pair of rocker covers, £103 a side. Guess there's some different prices around.
Haven't got the repair done yet.
Thanks for the other options suggested.
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I got my pair of rocker covers, £103 a side. Guess there's some different prices around.
Haven't got the repair done yet.
Thanks for the other options suggested.
Ok and these were purchased from the Patchway Vauxhall you mentioned earlier? And came with the gaskets? And we're correct for the v6?
Want to know cos if I can save well over a hundred notes I will :y
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Yes, it's the part numbers stated above. Each one is one item with the O rings and gaskets in place.
I bought sealant as well.
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Patchway Vauxhall tel 0117 969 4331.
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Mate. You have earned yourself a virtual OOF beer. Thanks muchly :y :y
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No problem.
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The covers are available from Vauxhall. And are monstrously expensive (£300 + when I last enquirer). They do come with the new gaskets though :y
That's mega expensive!! I'd go to a different dealership if I were you.....I bought a brand new packaged pair of genuine V6 cam covers (complete with gaskets and o rings of course) late last year from my local Vauxhall garage for approx £160 (give or take a couple of £'s without me getting the receipt out).
Just to confirm the above post I have just got the receipt out for the brand new genuine VX (packaged) LH and RH cam covers I bought from my local VX dealer - it was October 2016, and they weren't in stock and had to be ordered from Luton - £157.31 including a tube of the black sealant and VAT. So they weren't 'old stock / out of date items'.
So if you are quoted considerably more, then I would query it or go elsewhere!!
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The covers are available from Vauxhall. And are monstrously expensive (£300 + when I last enquirer). They do come with the new gaskets though :y
That's mega expensive!! I'd go to a different dealership if I were you.....I bought a brand new packaged pair of genuine V6 cam covers (complete with gaskets and o rings of course) late last year from my local Vauxhall garage for approx £160 (give or take a couple of £'s without me getting the receipt out).
Just to confirm the above post I have just got the receipt out for the brand new genuine VX (packaged) LH and RH cam covers I bought from my local VX dealer - it was October 2016, and they weren't in stock and had to be ordered from Luton - £157.31 including a tube of the black sealant and VAT. So they weren't 'old stock / out of date items'.
So if you are quoted considerably more, then I would query it or go elsewhere!!
Thanks jonnydog. When needed I'll definitely ring round as clearly I'm being over charged! >:(
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is there an easy check for leaking cam gaskets on the fl v6? pfl i would just pull the plug leads out and look.
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Yep. :y
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Pull the coil pack ::)
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pfl - pull out a spark plug connector by hand, push back in, 5 seconds
fl - undo two bolts, get two slightly larger bolts and screw them what looks like the thread of the ones you have just removed, pull on both bolts to half pull out the coil pack, now try and unplug the coil connector which is fiddly you have to press a latch you can't see, now unclip the two cooling pipes in two locations and push the pipes out of the way, now undo two bolts to try and move the fuel pipes which don't move anyway, now try and manoeuvre out the coil pack. Done. but now you have to replace >:(.
and that's just the drivers side which is much the easiest!
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Man up... Only need to remove the two coil pack bolts on the 135 bank and unplug it. Hoik it out by the plug socket, roll it out towards the wing and call it done ;D
Takes longer to type than to do...
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Man up... Only need to remove the two coil pack bolts on the 135 bank and unplug it. Hoik it out by the plug socket
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90670.0 ::)
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Read the words I typed. :-X
Never said anything about digging them out with a blunt object ::)
Besides, if you insist on using that method, one more bolt is hardly a deal breaker ;D