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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Stige on 23 May 2017, 16:17:37

Title: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 23 May 2017, 16:17:37
How to? Center bolt off, what next?
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: TheBoy on 23 May 2017, 17:22:15
Not tried it, as the repair kits here are more expensive than a known good compressor

If you find a way, feel free to do a guide :y
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 23 May 2017, 17:40:31
Not tried it, as the repair kits here are more expensive than a known good compressor

If you find a way, feel free to do a guide :y

Yeah think it needs a puller for it, a special one. Gotta find out what the outer thread is on it and make one myself, drill a hole in the bolt and make threads on it, bolt it on and tighten the inner bolt and off it should comr, hopefully allowing me to clean it to get the clutch working again.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: biggriffin on 23 May 2017, 18:46:51
Buy the time you've bought, all the tools needed, found a supplier for all the deals, it's cheaper to buy a reconditiond one,  for about £150.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 23 May 2017, 20:49:31
Buy the time you've bought, all the tools needed, found a supplier for all the deals, it's cheaper to buy a reconditiond one,  for about £150.

I made the only tool I need from the bits I had laying around in garage and got everything apart, posting pics later..

Whole point of this was to see how you take it apart with my spare compressor and to take parts for the one in my car so I don't have to refill the system AGAIN as I just did it today and that is how I found out the clutch doesn't work on my current compressor... What a bit of luck that I happened to put the broken compressor in the car and left the working one off...

EDIT:
Pic time!

Few pics of the tool:
(https://puu.sh/vZpGW/590fb02694.jpg)
(https://puu.sh/vZpIv/2ff3fd2246.jpg)

Threads on the inside are the only part I had to make on this tool, it is some piece for plumbing or something I think.
(https://puu.sh/vZpKi/d7cf32a327.jpg)

With the clutch pulled off:
(https://puu.sh/vZpKW/7273477580.jpg)

Everything I need off:
(https://puu.sh/vZpO0/654bcf5bf1.jpg)
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 May 2017, 08:30:21
Yep, standard Harrison compressor from memory, the only issue is the threads being imperial (if the grey cells are working ok!)
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 09:08:04
Yep, standard Harrison compressor from memory, the only issue is the threads being imperial (if the grey cells are working ok!)

Yeah I figured it was some imperial crap so I took the part from a pump of some sorts I have laying around from an old firetruck and lucky me it had the correct thread on it and just the right size hole on the side so I could tap a M10 thread in it.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 11:00:15
What could be the cause if I'm not getting any power on the plug to the compressor? I know the clutch is broken as I tried with direct power to it with no luck but I'm not getting any power on the plug either.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Entwood on 24 May 2017, 11:34:37
What could be the cause if I'm not getting any power on the plug to the compressor? I know the clutch is broken as I tried with direct power to it with no luck but I'm not getting any power on the plug either.

No real idea of the actual wiring ... but for the clutch to pull in and run the compressor requires the system to be "on" (auto not ECO on mine) AND sufficient gas pressure in the system to tell the controller there is refrigerant available....  so there has to be a pressure feed from somewhere to the controller ...
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 May 2017, 11:36:54
Yes there needs to be gas pressure and also not an over pressure.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 12:36:59
When I put it on Auto everything starts as they should, car revs up  a little and both fans start in the front. Only thing that is not getting power is the compressor. The system is properly filled.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 May 2017, 12:55:55
If the fans start, then it really is limited to the wiring between the Relay (K60) and the AC solenoid itself. K60 is clearly pulling-in as that is what starts the fans.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 May 2017, 13:13:22
K26...
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 13:23:00
Wasn't sure of the relays which one is which even looking at the diagram as none of the layouts really match mine but I know now what to test now. Thanks.

Off to see how much a pita it is to swap the clutch with the compressor in the car.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 14:01:59
This is how mine looks https://puu.sh/vZZ2M/397b38cd3e.jpg
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 May 2017, 14:39:55
K26...
Does the fans..

K60 feeds the air con compressor (and provides a feed to K26).
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 16:04:28
Works with direct power now, only left to figure out why the connector has no power on it. All the relays seem to be fine but which one is it for me that runs the magnetic clutch? I cant seem to find any pics of the relay box that match mine, car is 1996 actually.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 May 2017, 16:52:02
There's a good selection in the FAQs section :y

K60 is one of the green ones, can substitute with horn relay under dash to test... Identical relays... Alternatively bridge the relay sockets to see if it engages :y
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 May 2017, 16:53:43
K26...
Does the fans..

K60 feeds the air con compressor (and provides a feed to K26).
Ah ok, was part of the conundrum on the proper Omega, although that turned out to be fuse related ::)
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Stige on 24 May 2017, 17:13:07
Well everything solved and AC working like a charm now.

I checked the connector by using both the connectors on the plug but it never crossed my mind to check by grounding somewhere else until now.
And indeed the plug was getting power when AC was on but it had no ground on the second wire for some reason.

Also there is a weird resistor before the AC plug between the two wires, I will post a pic later once the upload service I use is working again...
EDIT:
 (https://puu.sh/w05fV/40fbd825aa.jpg)
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 May 2017, 17:29:24
Glad to hear it's sorted - that component is a diode to absorb the back EMF from the solenoid when it disengages.
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 May 2017, 12:40:55
Glad to hear it's sorted - that component is a diode to absorb the back EMF from the solenoid when it disengages.

What he said, probably a run of the mill 1N4001
Title: Re: AC clutch removal how?
Post by: biggriffin on 27 May 2017, 19:23:55
Yep, standard Harrison compressor from memory, the only issue is the threads being imperial (if the grey cells are working ok!)
 

Harrison V5, bits available from USA, if you can find someone willing to ship them.