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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 03 June 2017, 22:47:39
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Looks like it might be happening again.
Details are scarce, but reports of a van running over pedestrians. :'(
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In some respects I hope it's a freak accident (heart attack, piss head, etc) otherwise it's a little concerning that the same attack as before has happened. :-\
Either way, thoughts and condolences to all involved.
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Unfortunately it would seem not. Various reports of gunfire and stabbings.
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Armed police from black X5 and significant gun fire, according to witnes :'(
Second incident also :-\
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Third incident in Vauxhall too... :'(
And at least one fatality confirmed :'(
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My wife and daughter are in London tonight,thankfully safe but heard the commotion :-\
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Sorry to hear that, awaiting answer from me step daughter also in London tonight :y
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Texted my daughter in London as soon as news started coming through. She was safely at home thankfully.
Latest is 6 innocent people dead. 3 worthless lumps of scum shot dead by police within 8 minutes of incident being reported.
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Endless "news" of the incident today on UK tv. More oxygen for terrorists, more votes for tories.
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Texted my daughter in London as soon as news started coming through. She was safely at home thankfully.
Latest is 6 innocent people dead. 3 worthless lumps of scum shot dead by police within 8 minutes of incident being reported.
We shouldn't need to live with events like this happening :'( but at least the police are starting to take definitive action.
Not saying the American approach is the best, but getting shot dead on sight is a reasonable deterrent against committing such reprehensible acts.
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It appears the Police did an excellent job, but its after the event. We need to take measures (probably quite drastic) to stop it from happening. The current preventative measures clearly aren't working.
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Texted my daughter in London as soon as news started coming through. She was safely at home thankfully.
Latest is 6 innocent people dead. 3 worthless lumps of scum shot dead by police within 8 minutes of incident being reported.
We shouldn't need to live with events like this happening :'( but at least the police are starting to take definitive action.
Not saying the American approach is the best, but getting shot dead on sight is a reasonable deterrent against committing such reprehensible acts.
That's what they want anyway, martyrdom, so shooting them dead does the job for them
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It appears the Police did an excellent job, but its after the event. We need to take measures (probably quite drastic) to stop it from happening. The current preventative measures clearly aren't working.
However, the huge extra plod/army deployed after the last one didn't prevent it. They keep saying they were know to intelligence, so why didn't they do something then?
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I have no words. No words you want to hear, anyway :-X
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It appears the Police did an excellent job, but its after the event. We need to take measures (probably quite drastic) to stop it from happening. The current preventative measures clearly aren't working.
There are no measures that will work.
The ones that have an obvious effect are worse than the problem.
These events are horrible, but publicly murdering a couple of dozen people doesn't actually change anything for the vast majority of the population unless we allow it.
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It appears the Police did an excellent job, but its after the event. We need to take measures (probably quite drastic) to stop it from happening. The current preventative measures clearly aren't working.
However, the huge extra plod/army deployed after the last one didn't prevent it. They keep saying they were know to intelligence, so why didn't they do something then?
Simply because the laws of the land prevent them from acting without irrefutable proof. This is less of an issue in the US due to that despicable piece of legistlation known, ironically, as the Patriot Act.
It isn't illegal to consider deliberate acts of malice, or even to talk about them(as long as it doesn't incite or coerce someone into actually doing anything). The line is only crossed when you start to do something to facilitate or otherwise carry out those acts. Up to this point, all the police etc can do is watch and wait.
8 minutes from call to terminated is pretty swift in policing terms, and yes it will have the beardy sandal brigade lefty dogooders up in arms about human rights and the affront to the justice system etc but swift and decisive is a much better deterrent than a decade in prison. Cheaper too, but that's for another day.
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There is no complete answer, but if those who are involved at all levels in anti terrorism work were to be given much bigger budgets it might be a start.
Then very long (usually full life term) prison sentences become the norm for anyone who browses, downloads, distributes, preaches, Jihadism in any way, progress might be made.
Any bleeding heart liberals who object to the poor little misunderstood dears being treated in this way can share a cell with them.
We are at war with these creatures, and we need to start treating it as such. Carrying on regardless with a stiff upper lip aint going to help this time. Nor will the current methods and systems being used to combat it.
Politicians keep saying that the first duty of a Government is to protect its people. They need to begin doing that instead of talking about it.
Of course it would also help if we don't elect a Prime minister this week, who has been a lifetime supporter of various terrorist organisations.
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In my eyes the way i see it...is this is down to the Blair and Cameron and there stupid decisions that they made....
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Latest figure I've seen puts the death toll at 7.By all means report such events[in these days of social media/the internet you can't do anything else ] but then let it be.All this banging on for days/weeks after the event,holding vigils etc. only helps to "glorify" it and aid the recruitment campaign of the terrorists imho.
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Latest figure I've seen puts the death toll at 7.By all means report such events[in these days of social media/the internet you can't do anything else ] but then let it be.All this banging on for days/weeks after the event,holding vigils etc. only helps to "glorify" it and aid the recruitment campaign of the terrorists imho.
That is what my other half just said.... :y
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While i have deepest sympathy with the families of all the people caught up in this "event", I am in agreement with Varche that the constant media frenzy gives these scum all the headlines they crave. Endless so called "experts" are wheeled in front of the cameras to spout their theories and also many of the "eye witnesses" didn,t actually see the atrocities happen but only the aftermath. The constant playing of the same footage over and over also feeds their quest for headlines i believe. Don,t bother to watch the mainstream news much now anyway as they only tell you of news that is part of their agenda. Sorry for the rant but it,s let me let off steam. :(
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In my eyes the way i see it...is this is down to the Blair and Cameron and there stupid decisions that they made....
They certainly made stupid decisions, but that in no way gives any kind of justification for what these people do. That is purely down to them.
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In my eyes the way i see it...is this is down to the Blair and Cameron and there stupid decisions that they made....
The decisions by Blair and Cameron certainly havn't helped, but islamic terrorism has been around longer than the events conjured up by those jokers. ::)
USS Cole, Nairobi, Dar Es Salaam, 9/11.....
There's lots of stuff on Faceache today attacking Theresa May for selling arms to the Saudis and these terrorist attacks are all her fault. I very much doubt though that the last thing that went through those bastards tiny minds before the bullets came in was " Well we showed Theresa May... " :-X
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In Covent Garden, yesterday, normally catch a bus rather than walk back in the dark across Waterloo Bridge, but as it was raining and a taxi for hire was coming down the road, used the taxi and caught the earlier than normal 21:12 train from Waterloo.
Terrible what has happened, but it is important to keep it in perspective. The reason the terrorists are resorting to vehicle attacks and stabbings is that they are losing as we can see from the many regular arrests of the extremists.
Tony BLiar and Perter Mandelson have much to answer for with their maas-migration of unskilled people from 3rd World countries from 1997 onwards. :( Once in power, they were quite open on their Gerrymandering in recruiting a whole new generation of Liebour supporters. Talking to earlier generations, that are here and integrated into UK society, they were also worried and hated what was happening. :( Corbyn will be 1000's of times worse with his mass migration, where it is obvious where they won't quote any mass migration figures they have no maximum for their new 3rd world mass migration, with committed terrorists especially welcome as this will provide the ammunition to suspend democracy and taking us back to feudal society, Marxist style, of course. >:( >:( >:(
New measures to restrain and contain the known 3,000 active jihadists in the UK need to be urgently considered and implemented without turning them into community 'martyrs' and 'recruitment adverts' and also how to disrupt the people that are doing this radicalization.
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In Covent Garden, yesterday, normally catch a bus rather than walk back in the dark across Waterloo Bridge, but as it was raining and a taxi for hire was coming down the road, used the taxi and caught the earlier than normal 21:12 train from Waterloo.
Terrible what has happened, but it is important to keep it in perspective. The reason the terrorists are resorting to vehicle attacks and stabbings is that they are losing as we can see from the many regular arrests of the extremists.
Tony BLiar and Perter Mandelson have much to answer for with their maas-migration of unskilled people from 3rd World countries from 1997 onwards. :( Once in power, they were quite open on their Gerrymandering in recruiting a whole new generation of Liebour supporters. Talking to earlier generations, that are here and integrated into UK society, they were also worried and hated what was happening. :( Corbyn will be 1000's of times worse with his mass migration, where it is obvious where they won't quote any mass migration figures they have no maximum for their new 3rd world mass migration, with committed terrorists especially welcome as this will provide the ammunition to suspend democracy and taking us back to feudal society, Marxist style, of course. >:( >:( >:(
New measures to restrain and contain the known 3,000 active jihadists in the UK need to be urgently considered and implemented without turning them into community 'martyrs' and 'recruitment adverts' and also how to disrupt the people that are doing this radicalization.
Agree with what you say
The difficulty is the new measures. Even if society accepts and funds the war (and it is a war) on home soil terrorists, it will take guts to come up with effective measures and changes to our laws and prison sentences.
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The reason the terrorists are resorting to vehicle attacks and stabbings is that they are losing as we can see from the many regular arrests of the extremists.
Amen to that. Now we just have to stem the media frenzy each of then causes.
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Sadly, I support the French tactic, if I recall it correctly.
Within the day of the most recent Isis attack in France the french responded by blasting one or two heads of the hydra in their bolt holes in the mountains. Won't stop it in the longer run most like but certainly calmed mainland attacks in France?
We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
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Sadly, I support the French tactic, if I recall it correctly.
Within the day of the most recent Isis attack in France the french responded by blasting one or two heads of the hydra in their bolt holes in the mountains. Won't stop it in the longer run most like but certainly calmed mainland attacks in France?
We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
We have to ask permission first, then conduct a risk assessment, then see if we have the relevant paperwork, O and do we have the equipment to deploy, by the time it's been rubber stamped, the powers that be have changed..
Last PM who acted and deployed was Mrs Thatcher. :y
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I learned a long time ago it's easier to get forgiven for past actions than permission for future ones.
Unfortunately, we have a Dick twirling contest this Thursday and no one in a position to activate retaliation has the balls to do so.
Margaret thatcher she ain't, that's for sure.
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We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
I thought the responce this time was pretty good. Dead within 8mins of the first call. I'd like to think there won't be a next time ....... but when it does, I hope they shoot first again & then ask questions.
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I learned a long time ago it's easier to get forgiven for past actions than permission for future ones.
Unfortunately, we have a Dick twirling contest this Thursday and no one in a position to activate retaliation has the balls to do so.
Against whom would you retaliate? In both recent attacks, the perpetrators were British. And they're already dead, which is the best only outcome we could wish for.
This isn't a country invading another, just pathetic oppsers with a grudge.
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Isis or daish are either culprits or idols to the gullible. Absolutely nothing but support here for any race or creed but religious extremes that are denounced by their peers certainly, in my personal view, need their futures told quickly and in no uncertain terms.
Not dismissing retribution within 8 minutes in the slightest. It's the root source of the problem that remains the problem.
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good. Dead within 8mins of the first call. I'd like to think there won't be a next time ....... but when it does, I hope they shoot first again & then ask questions.
Dead within 8 mins was exactly what they had in mind, hence the fake bomb belts. We played into their hands although granted they needed to be stopped and that might have been the only option.
Life in prison contemplating their failed martyrdom might have been a better option. In any case, these were Henmans on the @rse of Hydra, not any of the heads, to expand Bruce's analogy.
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We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
I thought the responce this time was pretty good. Dead within 8mins of the first call. I'd like to think there won't be a next time ....... but when it does, I hope they shoot first again & then ask questions.
I think Bruce is referring to sending a couple of RAF drones into ISIS territory and taking some of the scumbags out.
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Tunnie - exactly.
Mobile phone use limits quote/paste functions somewhat.
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I learned a long time ago it's easier to get forgiven for past actions than permission for future ones.
Unfortunately, we have a Dick twirling contest this Thursday and no one in a position to activate retaliation has the balls to do so.
Margaret thatcher she ain't, that's for sure.
Very true. And as for the alternative to her. There are no words really. Its a scenario I'm too scared to think about.
P.S. Nice to see you on the forum Brucie. Aint been the same without you :y
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We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
I thought the responce this time was pretty good. Dead within 8mins of the first call. I'd like to think there won't be a next time ....... but when it does, I hope they shoot first again & then ask questions.
Racing certainty it will happen again and again. The problem with shoot first then ask questions is innocents will suffer. Hats off to the police this tme for decisive and correct and accurate action.
I would still like to know what measures could be taken against the 3000 today and maybe 6000 in five years time, jihadists.
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
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Isis or daish are either culprits or idols to the gullible. Absolutely nothing but support here for any race or creed but religious extremes that are denounced by their peers certainly, in my personal view, need their futures told quickly and in no uncertain terms.
Not dismissing retribution within 8 minutes in the slightest. It's the root source of the problem that remains the problem.
ISIS and others with their radicalization are running a hearts and minds operation for angry disaffected young (mainly) male Muslims. We need a counter hearts and minds operation along with taking out of circulation those that are doing the radicalization. Heavy-handed approaches tend to increase the perceived grievances of the disaffected and act as recruitment drivers, so they don't work.
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Rods, perhaps.
However removal of the various heads may offer some time despite for us to regain ground as regards the regaining of home grown hearts and minds?
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
A while ago I moved away from London. I and sleep much better because of this. Nothing to do with response times, more to do with risk. But actually where I live, if there was a major "incident" I think the response time would be faster, mainly as the geographical area is smaller. How do you provide "rapid response" in London ?
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
A while ago I moved away from London. I and sleep much better because of this. Nothing to do with response times, more to do with risk. But actually where I live, if there was a major "incident" I think the response time would be faster, mainly as the geographical area is smaller. How do you provide "rapid response" in London ?
Armed police in vehicles on every other street corner...
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
A while ago I moved away from London. I and sleep much better because of this. Nothing to do with response times, more to do with risk. But actually where I live, if there was a major "incident" I think the response time would be faster, mainly as the geographical area is smaller. How do you provide "rapid response" in London ?
Armed police in vehicles on every other street corner...
Yep, thats the current thinking, Response Units floating around in given Areas, that will probably stop when it comes to light there under resourced in other Policing Areas or types of Crime.
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
A while ago I moved away from London. I and sleep much better because of this. Nothing to do with response times, more to do with risk. But actually where I live, if there was a major "incident" I think the response time would be faster, mainly as the geographical area is smaller. How do you provide "rapid response" in London ?
Armed police in vehicles on every other street corner...
Yep, thats the current thinking, Response Units floating around in given Areas, that will probably stop when it comes to light there under resourced in other Policing Areas or types of Crime.
Or all police being armed? Most police officers I have spoken to do not favour this option at all. In addition the ones who are trained armed response officers know that they will be ultimately held responsible for any "accidental" shootings with the risk of being prosecuted and serving a custodial sentence. Thus many officers never want to be armed and can be discouraged from going into armed response in the first place. :-X
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We didn't respond last time. It's time we did.
I now kinda regret typing that but........
I thought the responce this time was pretty good. Dead within 8mins of the first call. I'd like to think there won't be a next time ....... but when it does, I hope they shoot first again & then ask questions.
How many more must be bludgeoned though? If we are congratulating response times of the plod then we are effectively saying we don't mind what is happening, as long as he police respind in time. No matter what action we take after the event is not going to stop that act from happening. It's too late by then. We need radical action now.
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Like what?
Martial law?
Microchipping?
Curfews?
Segregated transport/roads/pavements?
No freedom of information?
No freedom of speech?
No communication except screened post?
If any of that happens, we might as well opps off to North Korea :-X
No, status quo is about right... Follow the loons, and as soon as they sneeze out of turn, double tap and call it done.
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At the moment I think we have the balance about right, although given the number of people "known to the authorities" (around 20k iirc) then probably we need more resource on them to actively monitor their activities.
I distrust the idea that you start arresting/detaining people without evidence of actual wrongdoing or at least (as we have now) preparing to commit certain acts. To go further risks alienating certain communities more than we already have. Then the information will start to dry up and we'll be really fuc£ed.
Where I do think we need to do more is making social media providers take ownership of their content. I can't swallow the "we can't possibly police that much content" argument when it comes from an organisation that has more money than god. If they want to be in the UK they need to adequately police their content.
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There is break all you can do to stop a nutcase with a car from ramming people short of, as Al suggested, martial law, curfews, pedestrianising everywhere, big barriers installed at every kerbside etc
This time they hired a car, last time they stole one IIRC - but there's nothing to stop some guy the authorities don't know about and who has owned a car for the last ten years doing exactly the same thing. From the outside he'll look just like you and me - a normal person - inside he's a seething ball of rage and hatred and last time I checked we don't have a good way of detecting that.
For anyone suggesting a "policed" internet - I hope you are all looking forward to not being able to post here without a team of moderators reading everything and approving it.. and I hope TB has the funds to pay them! ;) Heck, forums like this might not even be allowed.
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For anyone suggesting a "policed" internet -
Listen up, Theresa! ::)
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I thought the responce this time was pretty good
Only because it was central London and the powers that be decreed that security was beefed up along with "resident" SAS and armed response units. Wonder if 8 minutes would have been achieved in another area of the country
A while ago I moved away from London. I and sleep much better because of this. Nothing to do with response times, more to do with risk. But actually where I live, if there was a major "incident" I think the response time would be faster, mainly as the geographical area is smaller. How do you provide "rapid response" in London ?
Armed police in vehicles on every other street corner...
I've probably mentioned it before, but the last armed robbery bro had, the police said to deal with it themselves, and call back when they were gone :'(
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For anyone suggesting a "policed" internet - I hope you are all looking forward to not being able to post here without a team of moderators reading everything and approving it.. and I hope TB has the funds to pay them! ;) Heck, forums like this might not even be allowed.
Currently, we are able to comply with current EU legislation, but if we had to approve every post, the whole shebang would have to go read only forever.
Arsebook would also fold. So its not all bad ;D
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Somehow I think the Police are getting the credit for something they may not have done, 50 rounds in a matter of minutes sounds like special forces to me ,but whoever did it good on them the more of these Fu**ing Bastards that get taken out the better.
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Somehow I think the Police are getting the credit for something they may not have done, 50 rounds in a matter of minutes sounds like special forces to me ,but whoever did it good on them the more of these Fu**ing Bastards that get taken out the better.
Heckler Koch MP5s that our plod carry are plenty capable of firing a damn site more than 50 rounds in a minute. Hell they would probably manage that on the single round setting :-X
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I note, with disgust, that both the BBC and ITV have been deliberately quiet about this, IMHO, very important and well written statement ..
http://www.mcb.org.uk/over-130-imams-religious-leaders-from-diverse-backgrounds-refuse-to-perform-the-funeral-prayer-for-london-attackers-in-an-unprecedented-move/
Perhaps if they gave more publicity to this sort of condemnation a couple of things would happen ... 1) there would be less media-fuelled hatred of one section of our society, most of whom are ordinary, peaceful, folk 2) Some of those tempted to join in the stupidity might actually think twice ??
Either way, I say "Well done" to the MCB, I just wish you were getting the publicity you deserve, unfortunately, those with an agenda of their own will not allow it.
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Either way, I say "Well done" to the MCB, I just wish you were getting the publicity you deserve, unfortunately, those with an agenda of their own will not allow it.
Indeed. I noted that tgose same outlets were petty quiet on the gavels that the knob end behind the Manchester attack had been reported several times by members of his community. Still, none of that fits the them and is narrative that is flavour of the decade amongst our various hack-rags. ::)
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Immediately post 9/11, a reporting phone call was an efficient way of disappearing people :-X
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Having watched the news, and the we love Manchester concert :y :y. I've noticed a certain type of person missing every time. Even the bias broadcasting collective haven't interviewed or been seen in these areas.?
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I note, with disgust, that both the BBC and ITV have been deliberately quiet about this, IMHO, very important and well written statement ..
http://www.mcb.org.uk/over-130-imams-religious-leaders-from-diverse-backgrounds-refuse-to-perform-the-funeral-prayer-for-london-attackers-in-an-unprecedented-move/
Perhaps if they gave more publicity to this sort of condemnation a couple of things would happen ... 1) there would be less media-fuelled hatred of one section of our society, most of whom are ordinary, peaceful, folk 2) Some of those tempted to join in the stupidity might actually think twice ??
Either way, I say "Well done" to the MCB, I just wish you were getting the publicity you deserve, unfortunately, those with an agenda of their own will not allow it.
This was 'mentioned' on BBC news last night, along with about five high-ranking Muslims from different walks of life publicly condemning terrorism in general.
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Having watched the news, and the we love Manchester concert :y :y. I've noticed a certain type of person missing every time. Even the bias broadcasting collective haven't interviewed or been seen in these areas.?
Look a little harder... Remember that terrorism sells papers and gets viewers watching, delivering balanced news that helps shut the xenophobic minority up doesn't >:(
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Well, Diane Abbot might be Home Secretary by this time next week. That will help solve all these kinds of problems. :o
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I can't see Labour winning the election with a majority. What I can see, maybe, perhaps, is the conservatives falling short and us ending up with a horrible coalition.
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And what no one seems to mention, because it clearly and inconveniently goes against their left wing tendencies :-X, is that the only reason that the public service budgets are currently restricted is because the lefty idiots have nobody able to count to three... ::)
And why the Mayor of Lundun needs to stick his beak in, God alone knows >:(
Boris' highlighting of the fact that MoLs powers allow he/she to fund police resourcing in house without Westminster interference did make I chuckle... MoL had nothing to come back with :D
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No-one will go into coalition with the Tories. The others could form a coalition of chaos. I still think the Tories will win though.
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No-one will go into coalition with the Tories. The others could form a coalition of chaos. I still think the Tories will win though.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
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No-one will go into coalition with the Tories. The others could form a coalition of chaos. I still think the Tories will win though.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
Bloody hope so, the thought of Corbyn and his crew in makes me sick :(
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
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No-one will go into coalition with the Tories. The others could form a coalition of chaos. I still think the Tories will win though.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
Bloody hope so, the thought of Corbyn and his crew in makes me sick :(
I think he'd stop Uncle Rupert in his tracks.
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
No airports handy near you like Gatwick? That is a lot of driving. :y
How long does Heulva - Las Palmas take?
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Gunshots at Notre Dame , Paris. Here Nous Allons encore
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
No airports handy near you like Gatwick? That is a lot of driving. :y
How long does Heulva - Las Palmas take?
33 hours :D
Driving is the easiest way to get the car there...
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
No airports handy near you like Gatwick? That is a lot of driving. :y
How long does Heulva - Las Palmas take?
33 hours :D
Driving is the easiest way to get the car there...
Just fit a MV6 Prodrive Front Bumper and away you go
(http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/files/2014/05/tf-x-web.jpg)
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No coalition. I don't like any of them but the Tories will win and that is the best result on balance IMHO.
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
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It's cheaper to fly, and hire a car, dover-Calais is a cheaper crossing.
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Standby ferry tickets booked for Friday afternoon... Pompey-Bilbao followed by Huelva-Las Palmas :D
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It's cheaper to fly, and hire a car, dover-Calais is a cheaper crossing.
For a two week holiday... perhaps.
Permanently... absolutely not ::)