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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Jimbob on 17 July 2017, 16:18:03
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Been round a load of dealers looking at new cars with my dad today, to replace his dying Jazz.
He buys a car, uses it for the cars life, and changes it, Jazz is 12 years old with 120k on the clock and failed ABS so has decided the time has come.
He is an extremely sedate driver and is not keen on gadgets, so the simpler the better.
Looking for something similar again, and has ruled out everything we've seen except :
Hyundai i20,
This is current favourite
He has driven the 1.2 SE and likes it,
Back tomorrow for a drive in the better specced 1.0 Turbo which they are doing cheaper than a poorer specced 1.2
Im not sure which will be the better of the 2 for his needs and longevity. Thoughts?
2nd choice is
Yaris, 1.5 Icon
All available as pre reg for about between 11-12k
Any thoughts and considerations?
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Suzuki Swift? They appear popular, not bad looking things.
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It's only the 3 above left in the running cheers.
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Can't get much more basic than a Dacia Sandero...
But if you have already ruled it out, then has to be the Yaris from that lot... The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Equally, if he likes the Jazz and is of an age where it may be his last car, then you have two more options...
1. Put the Jazz into Honda and throw some money at it to overhaul it so that it will see him out.
2. Throw caution to the wind and let his heart decide... the budget will buy a lot of interesting cars :y
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Don't they have a 7 year warranty? :-\
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Yaris,bullet and bomb proof but a little boring :y
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Don't they have a 7 year warranty? :-\
5 Year,Kia is 7 :y
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Don't they have a 7 year warranty? :-\
5 Year,Kia is 7 :y
Applies to both and parts prices are horrific.
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5 year warranties on both makes
Both boring choices I know. But we are where we are
73 year old with little interest in cars.
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No experience of i20, but have of i10 and the Rio (that I thing was the precursor to i20). Actually quite well put together (Ford and GM could learn a few things here). Engine (1.2) is a bit old school, with old school power, but would probably go for this in this instance based on his usage. I'm guessing like all the small turbos, like the little Ford ecoboost, it needs a bit of a ragging to get it moving... ...and its all or nothing IME.
...and if he cares not about the spec ;).
But see how he gets on on a test drive with the turbo :y
Its not my next car by a long shot, but I'd have no trouble recommending a little Hyundai to someone in his scenario.
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My subjective choice would be the Yaris, but in the real world given the situation, I doubt you'd go far wrong with either, really.
I'd still go for the Yaris, the last one I was in felt much more expensive than it was, if you see what I mean. Roomy, too.
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The 1.2SE might be a better bet than the 1.0 turbo...as he's not bothered about spec, the turbo is just something else to go wrong, imo...
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I would discount the 1.0 turbo, and the other two are much of a muchness. My choice would be the 1.2 Hyundai, I think the engine would have plenty for his particular driving style.
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The Toyota would be my recommendation. They are usually better built than just about anything else on the road.
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The Toyota would be my recommendation. They are usually better built than just about anything else on the road.
Not sure that's still the case now as it was 20yrs ago - a lot of our managers had Avensis' as company cars (no idea why, I assume tax related), and had a worrying number of minor and major faults. I guess all the same components come from the same OEMs...
I do rate the little Aygo though
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Either will do. There's nothing more reliable than a Toyota, but the Koreans are damn close. Cheaper to buy too.
Toss a coin and find a dealer with one in stock that's a colour your dad likes.
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I had use of a Hyundai Tucson for a couple of weeks a few years ago and although an odd looking thing, I really liked it! :y
If the small Hyundai's are as well put together, I think the 1.2 would be a good choice. Especially if cheaper than the Toyota. :)
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A girl who works for me has just handed back a mint 13 reg high spec sandero stepway with only 13k, settlement was 4k and she couldn't be bothered going the we buy any car route, I did consider offering it on here as it was that clean but decided against it, would have been a bargain :-\
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A girl who works for me has just handed back a mint 13 reg high spec sandero stepway with only 13k, settlement was 4k and she couldn't be bothered going the we buy any car route, I did consider offering it on here as it was that clean but decided against it, would have been a bargain :-\
Not allowed apparently, I offered a friend's mint Jag a few years ago, which was removed. :y
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I drive a i20 hire car on a regular basis sadly :(
I find the 1.2 a hateful motor with the seats very soft and unsupportive. (but I am a bit of a fat bastard though ;D)
For a 1.2, its shit on fuel too :(
On the plus side, they are pretty well screwed together and are pretty quite as long as you don't thrash the engine to much :-X
I don't know if it is too big for your old man or maybe out of his price range but I also have a lot of miles in a 16 plate i30.
This one has a 1.4 iirc but was much better on fuel and a much nicer place to sit / car to drive :y :y
No other experience of the other 2 options ..............
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If he liked the jazz, maybe a Kia venga? It's got that same "mini mpv" style to it and seems to be available in budget.
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Cheers all. He's driven the Yaris today and preferred it. Cracking price on a pre reg so he's put a holding deposit down on it.
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Further update.....deal done and he picks it up Friday!
A rather nice 1.5 17 plate new shape Yaris icon.
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Further update.....deal done and he picks it up Friday!
A rather nice 1.5 17 plate new shape Yaris icon.
Nice one :y :y
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Would have been my choice, had a Yaris a few years back as a courtesy car best small car I've ever driven comfortable & surprisingly spacious.😀
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Further update.....deal done and he picks it up Friday!
A rather nice 1.5 17 plate new shape Yaris icon.
Great choice! Only been in one once as a passenger. Seemed v. Comfortable for a small car :)
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Would have been my choice, had a Yaris a few years back as a courtesy car best small car I've ever driven comfortable & surprisingly spacious.😀
Yep - very spacious.. I had one turn up as a taxi (well, an Uber, sorry taxi drivers!) in Bratislava and I thought "Oh, bugger" - those who've met me know how large I am.. I fitted in it just as comfortably as the Range Rover that picked me up the next time (the latter was driven by someone who, judging on looks, also worked as an escort.. the Yaris was driven by a guy who told me he used to run one of those "cam girl offices" - porn, to you and me!)
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Further update.....deal done and he picks it up Friday!
A rather nice 1.5 17 plate new shape Yaris icon.
:y
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Glad he is sorted :y
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Do tell us, what do you base this profound comment on - fact, personal experience, or simply that you don't like Hyundai's? Or is it just another misguided opinion? I am interested to know.
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Do tell us, what do you base this profound comment on - fact, personal experience, or simply that you don't like Hyundai's? Or is it just another misguided opinion? I am interested to know.
Had my Terracan 5 years bought with 25,000 miles now on 65,000 apart from a replacement alternator has not missed a beat, tows anything easily & will do anything a Range Rover can do never failed an MOT & not a speck of rust anywhere
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It was meant tongue firmly in cheek ;)
However, it stands to reason that if they were designed for a longer life expectancy that they would offer a longer warranty. The mileage limitation gives an idea of what the car is designed to be capable of, the time limitation being a reasonable period for the mileage expectancy to be reached.
Some cars will faill before the warranty expires, and some will last forever, but the majority will have some form of significant failure shortly after the warranty period ends.
This applies to any vehicle, but those from manufacturers offering longer warranty terms will suffer higher failure rates at the end of the warranty period due to the vehicles being older and higher mileage compounding the likelihood of a significant failure.
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The Hyundai will die the day after the warranty runs out, so no use for longevity.
Do tell us, what do you base this profound comment on - fact, personal experience, or simply that you don't like Hyundai's? Or is it just another misguided opinion? I am interested to know.
Had my Terracan 5 years bought with 25,000 miles now on 65,000 apart from a replacement alternator has not missed a beat, tows anything easily & will do anything a Range Rover can do never failed an MOT & not a speck of rust anywhere
Luck, and regular/preventative maintenance certainly all go a long way to improving the odds in your favour, although that mileage is relatively light use...
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It was meant tongue firmly in cheek ;)
However, it stands to reason that if they were designed for a longer life expectancy that they would offer a longer warranty. The mileage limitation gives an idea of what the car is designed to be capable of, the time limitation being a reasonable period for the mileage expectancy to be reached.
Some cars will faill before the warranty expires, and some will last forever, but the majority will have some form of significant failure shortly after the warranty period ends.
This applies to any vehicle, but those from manufacturers offering longer warranty terms will suffer higher failure rates at the end of the warranty period due to the vehicles being older and higher mileage compounding the likelihood of a significant failure.
So you'll be avoiding MB, due to poor warranty. Not that I'd blame you if you decided never to own a MB ever again ;)
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will do anything a Range Rover can do
I'll have a few ounces of what you're smoking please ;D.
Granted, in the BL/BMW era, reliability wasn't the best, but if you really think that an on road car can match a RR's off road capability, you have misunderstood the latter's capability :y
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Arguably, the 'poor' warranty is a realistic one...
I am unlikely to buy a new enough Mercedes to have a warranty... besides, the new ones are hideous ;D
As to the reliability of an older one... watch this space, although I suspect it will be more of a project than anticipated :-X
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Arguably, the 'poor' warranty is a realistic one...
I am unlikely to buy a new enough Mercedes to have a warranty... besides, the new ones are hideous ;D
As to the reliability of an older one... watch this space, although I suspect it will be more of a project than anticipated :-X
Well, that makes the Koreans more reliable than most cars then ;).
And old Merc. That's brave. Esp one that's been ragged.
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It was meant tongue firmly in cheek ;)
However, it stands to reason that if they were designed for a longer life expectancy that they would offer a longer warranty. The mileage limitation gives an idea of what the car is designed to be capable of, the time limitation being a reasonable period for the mileage expectancy to be reached.
Some cars will faill before the warranty expires, and some will last forever, but the majority will have some form of significant failure shortly after the warranty period ends.
This applies to any vehicle, but those from manufacturers offering longer warranty terms will suffer higher failure rates at the end of the warranty period due to the vehicles being older and higher mileage compounding the likelihood of a significant failure.
So you'll be avoiding MB, due to poor warranty. Not that I'd blame you if you decided never to own a MB ever again ;)
Do I take you're not very keen on MB's then? :o
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Arguably, the 'poor' warranty is a realistic one...
I am unlikely to buy a new enough Mercedes to have a warranty... besides, the new ones are hideous ;D
As to the reliability of an older one... watch this space, although I suspect it will be more of a project than anticipated :-X
Doubled :y
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will do anything a Range Rover can do
I'll have a few ounces of what you're smoking please ;D.
Granted, in the BL/BMW era, reliability wasn't the best, but if you really think that an on road car can match a RR's off road capability, you have misunderstood the latter's capability :y
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A Terracan is not an " on road " car it is a large 4x4 & extremely capable off road mine has been used alongside Land Rovers & Range Rovers and once even towed a Disco out which was stuck fast, quite a big following in Australia seen quite a few in Spain as well.
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Arguably, the 'poor' warranty is a realistic one...
I am unlikely to buy a new enough Mercedes to have a warranty... besides, the new ones are hideous ;D
As to the reliability of an older one... watch this space, although I suspect it will be more of a project than anticipated :-X
Well, that makes the Koreans more reliable than most cars then ;).
And old Merc. That's brave. Esp one that's been ragged.
At this point, I suspect a ragged one would be less short term trouble than a garage queen... ::)
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Incidentally, my 3 year old E Class managed 30k miles in eight months with only servicing required.
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A properly old Merc will usually outlast its owner, if taken care of. ;)
Mine might manage it. Depends what the doc says when I see him in a couple of weeks. ;D
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I am on my second old Merc , first one a 93 190e bought it in 2007 was fantastic no issues whatsoever, the E class I now have is a 2000 with no rust ( before the comments start) they do exist 😀 As with most cars do your homework don't skimp on maintenance , I always use genuine OE parts & never have had any problems.
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will do anything a Range Rover can do
I'll have a few ounces of what you're smoking please ;D.
Granted, in the BL/BMW era, reliability wasn't the best, but if you really think that an on road car can match a RR's off road capability, you have misunderstood the latter's capability :y
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A Terracan is not an " on road " car it is a large 4x4 & extremely capable off road mine has been used alongside Land Rovers & Range Rovers and once even towed a Disco out which was stuck fast, quite a big following in Australia seen quite a few in Spain as well.
In the same way a Hyundai Santa Fe is ;)
::)
Anyway, I've realised that in a single thread I've been discourteous to both of your cars, so I'll shut up now :-X. Sorry.
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A Santa Fe is a soft roader not a mud plugger so no real comparison, sometimes ignorance is bliss.😀
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At 64 Years old my dad bought a NEW 51 reg Focus, (2.0 Ghia estate) did 120K in it and replaced it with a 59 reg focus (1.8 titanium estate) did 80K in it and at 80 years old bought a 1.3 auto focus estate 66 reg
He never had a fail to proceed, despite driving like Tony Pond
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At 64 Years old my dad bought a NEW 51 reg Focus, (2.0 Ghia estate) did 120K in it and replaced it with a 59 reg focus (1.8 titanium estate) did 80K in it and at 80 years old bought a 1.3 auto focus estate 66 reg
He never had a fail to proceed, despite driving like Tony Pond
Now that was a man who knew how to drive a car very very quickly. :y