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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: raywilb on 24 July 2017, 19:09:29
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I went to see a relative last weekend. he lives in sheltered housing in Manchester. he informed me that he his terminally ill , but he also asked me as he has no access to the internet if I would look up the best way for him to commit suicide when his pain gets unbearable & he has no dignity with needing help just with personal hygiene. scary
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That's a dangerous path to venture down, Ray. You have my total sympathy and respect for whatever you decide to do.
Ron.
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Dignitas.
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We are all terminally ill.
You are walking next to a very fine line. Tread carefully.
Samaritans would probably be a good starting point, or both visit his Gp. Confidentiality is key and I probably wouldn't discuss it any further here.
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
And worst case you could end up spending some time at Her Maj's Pleasure..
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My father in law asked exactly the same when he was being treated for cancer I ignored his request & let nature take its course . A very difficult situation to get involved with .
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
Taboo or not, it is still a criminal act.
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
Taboo or not, it is still a criminal act.
Did i say otherwise?
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
Taboo or not, it is still a criminal act.
Did i say otherwise?
Not in as many words. I read 'taboo' as a religious or emotional opinion rather than the very different matter of criminality ;)
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Good advice DG. Be careful when talking to family members Ray. as to some this is a taboo subject.
Taboo or not, it is still a criminal act.
Did i say otherwise?
Not in as many words. I read 'taboo' as a religious or emotional opinion rather than the very different matter of criminality ;)
I,m neither A religious or B emotional regarding this subject DG. It,s just that some people find the subject of death, including assisted dying an emotive subject. In the latter, criminal.
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All of us should have the right to die when we feel the time is right, for whatever reason. Death is just the start of a new life.
The law states no one has the right to assist in the death of another party. But for someone who is watching their loved one suffering in great pain everyday without any hope of getting better, with them crying out for help to die.....................well, what would you do? I know what I would do :-X :-X :-X
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In the last year of my Dads life, I would have given him an injection to put him out of his misery if I had the opportunity to do so.
Having said that, I'm very much against legalising assisted dying, because it is very obviously the top of a very slippery slope, where the elderly will start to feel obliged to volunteer to be put to sleep when they think they are becoming a burden rather than making a useful contribution.
It would also be all to easy for people who stand to gain from someones death, to manipulate them into believing that it would be best for all concerned if they were to "slip away peacefully", rather than keep hanging around too long.
Ive told my kids that once I reach the point where I don't have many marbles left they are to whack me over the head with a baseball bat.
They seemed a bit to keen on that idea. :'( ;D ;D
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In the last year of my Dads life, I would have given him an injection to put him out of his misery if I had the opportunity to do so.
Having said that, I'm very much against legalising assisted dying, because it is very obviously the top of a very slippery slope, where the elderly will start to feel obliged to volunteer to be put to sleep when they think they are becoming a burden rather than making a useful contribution.
It would also be all to easy for people who stand to gain from someones death, to manipulate them into believing that it would be best for all concerned if they were to "slip away peacefully", rather than keep hanging around too long.
Ive told my kids that once I reach the point where I don't have many marbles left they are to whack me over the head with a baseball bat.
They seemed a bit to keen on that idea. :'( ;D ;D
Oh yes......the temptation is there. Especially if in need of money.
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In the last year of my Dads life, I would have given him an injection to put him out of his misery if I had the opportunity to do so.
Having said that, I'm very much against legalising assisted dying, because it is very obviously the top of a very slippery slope, where the elderly will start to feel obliged to volunteer to be put to sleep when they think they are becoming a burden rather than making a useful contribution.
It would also be all to easy for people who stand to gain from someones death, to manipulate them into believing that it would be best for all concerned if they were to "slip away peacefully", rather than keep hanging around too long.
Ive told my kids that once I reach the point where I don't have many marbles left they are to whack me over the head with a baseball bat.
They seemed a bit to keen on that idea. :'( ;D ;D
Yes. Very keen. They are standing behind you with a baseball bat as you type. ::) :D
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I fervently hope that by the time I reach old age the assisted dying issue is settled and I can go at a time and in a way of my choosing.
I believe it should be legalised with appropriate and stringent safeguards in place. In my view, obtaining a high court order would be sufficient. There is a world of difference between someone going to the high court, stating their case and being allowed to be helped to die and a world where you have doctors offing old people because they "believe they're being a burden".
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Safeguards are usually eroded away to become pretty meaningless as time goes on. Take for example the UK abortion laws.
A young David Steel made a very impassioned speech in the commons in the 60,s to convince them that it needed to be legalised in order to protect the small number of woman who were desperate enough to put their lives at risk in dangerous back street abortion clinics.
He won the debate and the law was changed.
20 years after that, despite all the advances in contraception, abortions were taking place in the hundreds of thousands per year.
Today, despite even further advances in contraception, very senior people in the medical profession are currently trying to change the law that a woman can choose to abort up to the point where she goes into labour, as that is her basic human right.
I doubt David Steel intended this to be the outcome, but thats how these things tend to end up, once the militant tendency of the particular protest issue gain influence.
Its not that big a stretch of the imagination to see a society in say 100 years time, where the only really elderly people are those who have plenty of money, and offspring who aren't desperate to get their grubby mits on it.
Going back to the case of my father. One member of the family (who systematically robbed him blind) would definitely have manipulated him into this course of action if the law allowed it.
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When a person is clearly at the end of the line it is usually the case that food and all fluids are withdrawn. At this point (the point of no return) there should be the option that the family, after discussion with senior doctors, can make the decision to end it quickly by means a simple injection.
This is not currently allowed and any attempt to do so would be classed as murder.
I have experienced this exact scenario twice now. My FIL lasted for nine days before forced starvation and lack of any water finally finished him. Why this cruel and barbaric system is considered preferable to a quick and dignified end is a mystery to me.
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Fair point, which I wouldn't disagree with. :y
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To be fair, our dog is dragging out his last few months, and I'm going to struggle taking him on that final visit to the Vet, so I don't think I could book a coach trip to Switzerland for my Dad, or feed him crushed cherry seeds either.