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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy B on 03 August 2008, 20:06:48
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Right then! Who's had their council job re-evaluated & just had the outcome this week end?
Months ago my wife was talking about this, and how various staff in other department are grades above or below her. The council swore blind that it wasn't a cost cutting excerise & it was so that people doing the same job in various parts of the country all got paid the same.
SWMBO's salary before all the re-evaluations took place was a little over £19k, not a particularly fantastic salaryanyway. While we were away this week end her new re-evaluated salary arrived on the door mat. [size=16]£4500[/size] less a year! That's £80 a week! She's almost in tears.
It's funny how everyone in her office has also had a pay cut. And the unions are supporting it.
One lad in the depot is Corgi reg'd & they've re-evaluated his job at £10 000 LESS
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They`ve got a bloody cheek haven`t they! :o
Paraphrasing Oscar Wilde:
"They know price of everything and the value of nothing" >:(
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Complete tossers, they just cant be trusted.
They have to rob the workers of thier wages to cover the incomptetance of poor management. and poorly organised budgets.
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I feel for em i really do its not not nice working your balls off for sumbody else to come in and say no your overpaid for doing that job...Take a paycut or leave attitude that they have whilst our esteemed members of parliment say right we`ll do away with our john lewis list and replace it with argos and then go on to keep the £24,000 a year to help fund the 1st home!! I would be overjoyed to be earning £24,000 a year for just doing 1 job....let alone getting £50,000 plus benefits for sitting on my arse shouting like a schoolboy and then to get the citizens of this country paying my mortage on a 2nd house that i dont use or on my primary house its stupid it really is...Its about time sumone did sumat about this and said hang on you get a good wage pay your own mortage mr/mrs MP like the rest of the country has too!!! I mean our MP ken purchase is retiring at the next election so they have been talking about who should replace him in the local paper...Guess who they reckon will succed him??? Harriet harmans husband!!! What the hell!!! somehow i dont think we`ll see them buying a house in low hill or the scotlands area of wolvo!!! Even though we`ve got a bloke who live in the area who would make a better MP but apparantly they`ve asked him to stand aside!!! Jobs for the boys again jobs for the boys again.......RANT OVER HONEST ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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And your council tax will still go up!
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Sounds like potential constructive dismissal to me. Perhaps a call to CAB in the morning, since the union don't appear to be helping.
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Sounds like potential constructive dismissal to me. Perhaps a call to CAB in the morning, since the union don't appear to be helping.
This is some thing that will affect council staff all over the country. It was the union that had a hand in the re-evaluation of jobs. It does seem so far though, that it's have a greater impact on admin staff.
Traditionally the manual jobs are done by hairy 4r$ed blokes while the admin/office & school dinner lady type jobs are done by hairy 4r$ed women. Women saw that the blokes were getting various bonuses for working outside etc etc & wanted the same. Needless to say that the councils were very quick to remove the bonuses from the blokes rather than pay the women extra. Hence the re-evaluation process that's been ongoing for the last few years.
Reading through all the schpiel that came over the week end, the pay cuts won't happen in one go, but will be phased in over a couple of years depending on how much a pay loss you have incurred.
It's good to see the unions, that are supposed to represent the great unwashed, are actually condoning these cuts. >:(
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Andy is this Job Evaluation?
I sucesfully appealed this in the Council a little while ago, before I joined the NHS.
If you or your good lady want any advice let me know. Nobody can be expected to live on 15k a year >:(
Btw it's James - can't be @arsed to log off and then on as me :)
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Andy is this Job Evaluation?
I sucesfully appealed this in the Council a little while ago, before I joined the NHS.
If you or your good lady want any advice let me know. Nobody can be expected to live on 15k a year >:(
Btw it's James - can't be @arsed to log off and then on as me :)
Yes Marie James, this is due to Job Evaluation. As things satnd at the minute £15k is £500 more than the scale she has been 'given'
She can, justifiably, spit her dummy out, & chuck all the toys out of the pram tomorrow when she goes into work, so I/we'll let you know.
Thanks for the offer, most welcome. :y
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Sounds like potential constructive dismissal to me. Perhaps a call to CAB in the morning, since the union don't appear to be helping.
No ‘Job re-evaluation’ is happening all over the country, slowly Council by Council I know lots of people who are or have been affected by this and I know of none who have had a pay rise as a result. One of the main problems is that it takes a Job title and assumes everyone does exactly the same, this is often not true. Jobs are evaluated using a points system for responsibilities, supposedly bringing everyone in evenly and equally, which is fair enough but it has and is causing a lot of upset.
The timing is not too clever at the moment either with strike action happening.
Thing is all councils had a similar based pay structure anyway, so if you did the same job in one council and moved to the same job in another part of the country you got the same wages, outer and inner weighting being an addition.
Not sure where this is all going because there are certain jobs that the Council cannot recruit too, and if they do they are hard to retain so some councils offer extra incentives. ::) ::) ::)
I have just been paid at a ne rate and have had to take a £3k cut, I knew it was coming but still ouch, the alternative was to accept redundancy a couple of years ago, with hindsight I should have pushed for that. :(
Just remember, this was all started by some female dinner ladies :-X
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Sounds like potential constructive dismissal to me. Perhaps a call to CAB in the morning, since the union don't appear to be helping.
This is some thing that will affect council staff all over the country. It was the union that had a hand in the re-evaluation of jobs. It does seem so far though, that it's have a greater impact on admin staff.
Traditionally the manual jobs are done by hairy 4r$ed blokes while the admin/office & school dinner lady type jobs are done by hairy 4r$ed women. Women saw that the blokes were getting various bonuses for working outside etc etc & wanted the same. Needless to say that the councils were very quick to remove the bonuses from the blokes rather than pay the women extra. Hence the re-evaluation process that's been ongoing for the last few years.
Reading through all the schpiel that came over the week end, the pay cuts won't happen in one go, but will be phased in over a couple of years depending on how much a pay loss you have incurred.
It's good to see the unions, that are supposed to represent the great unwashed, are actually condoning these cuts. >:(
Can't drop your pay for 3 years, as long as she has a few years services her salary is protected for 3 yeas, just remember that 3 years can go quite quickly.
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When I was 19, I was on about £21,000 with the local council. Job Eval came in and they offered me about £16k. Wrote them a letter telling them it was no reflection what I do, and if they didn't reconsider then I hereby hand in my notice.
Strangely, following an appeal, I went UP a grade!
(Then I still left and got a better job ;D )
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Can't drop your pay for 3 years, as long as she has a few years services her salary is protected for 3 yeas, just remember that 3 years can go quite quickly.
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Not quite Mike.
All employee's pay will be protected on a sliding scale on the principle that those empoyees who have suffered the greatest loss should recieve the most protection as follows:-
Amount of loss Length of protection period
40% of pay 3 years
20% - 39% incl of basic pay 2 years
Up to 19% inc of basic pay 1 year
in the first year, protection wil be at 100%, in year 2 this will decrease to 75% and in year 3 to 50% of the difference between basic salary pre an post te review.
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I wonder if those bringing about these pay cuts are slashing thier own salaries accordingly?............ ::)
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Can't drop your pay for 3 years, as long as she has a few years services her salary is protected for 3 yeas, just remember that 3 years can go quite quickly.
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Not quite Mike.
All employee's pay will be protected on a sliding scale on the principle that those empoyees who have suffered the greatest loss should recieve the most protection as follows:-
Amount of loss Length of protection period
40% of pay 3 years
20% - 39% incl of basic pay 2 years
Up to 19% inc of basic pay 1 year
in the first year, protection wil be at 100%, in year 2 this will decrease to 75% and in year 3 to 50% of the difference between basic salary pre an post te review.
Are you sure, cos if you are I can see some trouble ahead :(
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Are you sure, cos if you are I can see some trouble ahead :(
Copied word for word. >:(
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my dad's a wigan council emplyee, not sure what he's been
lied to about told yet
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All this just proves how far "Socialist" New Labour has strayed from its Constituation of 1918 and how hopelessly inaffective the unions are today!
.....and I say this as a Tory!!
All that I read about these Council "wage adjustments" is a bloody disgrace and severely hurting individuals, as in the case of Andy's wife, just as the ineffeciency of the Government is becoming very obvious, causing the standard of living to fall. >:( >:( >:(
Eventually it is all going to blow! >:( >:(
Labour may have avoided a 'Summer of discontent', but the 'Winter' version, as in 1978/9 I think is acoming! ;) Gordon Brown......goodbye! :y
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and how hopelessly inaffective the unions are today!
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These are the unions that are calling for members to strike for a 2.5%(?) pay rise, while are quite prepared to condone a cut of 25% or more due to job evaluation.
Although Annette will generally bite her tongue more than meI'd love to be a fly on the wall in her boss's office today. He's (Glen but refered to as Glum ;D) new-ish in the position and is hated by all in the office anyway.
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and how hopelessly inaffective the unions are today!
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These are the unions that are calling for members to strike for a 2.5%(?) pay rise, while are quite prepared to condone a cut of 25% or more due to job evaluation.
Although Annette will generally bite her tongue more than meI'd love to be a fly on the wall in her boss's office today. He's (Glen but refered to as Glum ;D) new-ish in the position and is hated by all in the office anyway.
Well all the best to Annette for today Andy and power to her mouth and brain which women can usually use very effectively! :D :y If she / you both can afford her to find another job elsewhere then she should tell Glen where to stick his council's job >:(
All the very best :y
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7547482.stm
Not one to lie down ........ ::) ::) :y
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Fair play mate - I'd be scared stiff :y
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Fair play mate - I'd be scared stiff :y
I am. I live with her .....
Oh! You mean the council! ;D
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She has done very well on TV :y
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Always thought the public sector did daft things with respect to pay.
Private sector does not have many pay scales, its a case of there is a pot of cash and its distributed amongst the staff.
If your shite, you get no pay rise, if your good you do, if the pot is empty this year then you dont. and this is how it should be!
The result is that you dont get into this sort of mess!
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She has done very well on TV :y
She said she was $h1tting herself. :-? :y
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The result is that you dont get into this sort of mess!
I don't know all the ins & outs but apparently Bury in their usually inept way, only followed the recognised procedure as far as it siuted them. >:(
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The result is that you dont get into this sort of mess!
I don't know all the ins & outs but apparently Bury in their usually inept way, only followed the recognised procedure as far as it siuted them. >:(
Which is pay bands and a standard pay rise every year.....
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Sorry for the post hi-jack Andy...
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Just seen Mrs Andy B on the regional t.v. news being interviewed about the pay cut!
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Just seen Mrs Andy B on the regional t.v. news being interviewed about the pay cut!
TV stardom! ;D ;D
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Right then! Who's had their council job re-evaluated & just had the outcome this week end?
Months ago my wife was talking about this, and how various staff in other department are grades above or below her. The council swore blind that it wasn't a cost cutting excerise & it was so that people doing the same job in various parts of the country all got paid the same.
SWMBO's salary before all the re-evaluations took place was a little over £19k, not a particularly fantastic salaryanyway. While we were away this week end her new re-evaluated salary arrived on the door mat. [size=16]£4500[/size] less a year! That's £80 a week! She's almost in tears.
It's funny how everyone in her office has also had a pay cut. And the unions are supporting it.
One lad in the depot is Corgi reg'd & they've re-evaluated his job at £10 000 LESS
This country could do with a good old poll tax uprising, something will give, they can only take for so long. >:( >:( >:( >:(