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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 09 August 2017, 16:01:38
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The rest are regional or local powers. The same result has been found by two different power blocks using very different methodologies.
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Gotta be the UK.
🎶Land of hope and glory 🎶
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Are we the only one with a Commonwealth?
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Rods posted this, therefore I assume the correct answer is China or Russia ;)
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Rods posted this, therefore I assume the correct answer is China or Russia ;)
Or Ukraine.
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Gotta be the UK.
🎶Land of hope and glory 🎶
You agree with me again!! :o :o
I have already voted for the UK because, believe it or not, the British military forces are designed for global conflict with the nuclear capacity to strike worldwide, and so projects a global threat. With the two new super carriers, the British global status is rising to be second only to the US. :) :y
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Rods posted this, therefore I assume the correct answer is China or Russia ;)
Or Ukraine.
or
Barnsley . . . .
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Gotta be the UK.
🎶Land of hope and faded glory 🎶
Fixed that for you
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UK! :y
Not because of our military hard power which isn't as hard as people like to think (eg the Navy only has 19 ships), but because of the extensive soft power and influence that we wield around the world with our aid programmes and other UK bodies like the British Council which is found in most capital cities. :y
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I would say China, both in terms of their military force, and the sheer amount of the world's assets they own/control, either overtly or by more circumspect means.
Anyone saying the UK must be having a laugh. We can't even copper up for enough jet fighters to stock the navy's latest pleasure yacht. ::)
Or fund our infrastructure without Chinese money.
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I would say China, both in terms of their military force, and the sheer amount of the world's assets they own/control, either overtly or by more circumspect means.
Anyone saying the UK must be having a laugh. We can't even copper up for enough jet fighters to stock the navy's latest pleasure yacht. ::)
Or fund our infrastructure without Chinese money.
Chinese military is designed for the defence of their country. The UK's is ready to launch an attack, albeit with the US, anywhere. Our forces are still powerful enough to land a punch beyond our weight, as has always been the case ;)
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I would argue the Chinese have no need to attack an adversary. Bankrupting them would be far more expedient ;)
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I would argue the Chinese have no need to attack an adversary. Bankrupting them would be far more expedient ;)
Have you ever tried to recover a debt from an individual or, worse still, a company? Now imagine trying to recover a few trillion dollars from a country :D :D ;)
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Hmmm underestimate the Chinese at your peril Lizzie. ::)
They are rapidly transforming their navy from a coastal defence force into a proper 'Blue Navy' with global reach. Chinese ships recently passed through the English Channel on route to the Baltic Sea for exercises with the Russians! ;)
I still say it's Britain, despite Jimmy's leftie naysaying! :P ;D
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
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I would argue the Chinese have no need to attack an adversary. Bankrupting them would be far more expedient ;)
Have you ever tried to recover a debt from an individual or, worse still, a company? Now imagine trying to recover a few trillion dollars from a country :D :D ;)
No need, they'd just need to stop lending us more money, to fund our country which is very easy indeed. Or perhaps just stop exporting to us the clothes shoes, electronics and raw materials on which we rely. Or, in extremis act on the control we have ceded and continue to cede to them over critical parts of our infrastructure.
Sir Tig, left or right, I know a busted flush when I see one. Although, given the relative ages of folk on this board, perhaps my view is more long termist than some ;)
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They are rapidly transforming their navy from a coastal defence force into a proper 'Blue Navy' with global reach. Chinese ships recently passed through the English Channel on route to the Baltic Sea for exercises with the Russians! ;)
Those same ships are due in either Portsmouth or Plymouth for an official visit in the next few weeks.
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They are rapidly transforming their navy from a coastal defence force into a proper 'Blue Navy' with global reach. Chinese ships recently passed through the English Channel on route to the Baltic Sea for exercises with the Russians! ;)
Those same ships are due in either Portsmouth or Plymouth for an official visit in the next few weeks.
Due in Portamouth on the 18th august :y
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Sir Tig, left or right, I know a busted flush when I see one. Although, given the relative ages of folk on this board, perhaps my view is more negative than some ;)
FTFY Jimmy. :)
I see your point though Jimmy with all these wealthy baby boomers on here! ;)
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Yup, retired at 42 on final salary pensions in a house they bought for 45d immediately after graduating from their all expenses paid
vacations degree courses. Living off the sweat of us millenials who can hardly scrape together enough for an £18 smashed avocado on rye with balsamic dressing 4 or 5 times a week.
It's a bloody disgrace i tells ya! ::)
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That is a joke, we are a maritime nation, yet the Royal Navy is down to less than 30 fighting ships available at any time, including one carrier without aircraft, good for missile target practice, which will require a fifth of the navy as escorts, and has more Admirals than ships. The air force has no maritime a/c to defend our island nation (some - perhaps - due in the future) and the Army is at its lowest peacetime level ever.
Global Power? I think not.
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
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You are all looking at this from the wrong angle ie in terms of military hard power, when it is as much about the soft power that we project around the world. ::)
The article mentions that France has overtaken us in the soft power rankings since Macrons election, but I suspect that this will be temporary as I think that Macron will turn out to be a damp squib. :-\
We spend £13 billion odd a year in overseas aid and whether this money is well spent or not is a different argument, but some of it must hit the mark and generate goodwill towards the UK and curry favour and influence. ;)
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Yup, retired at 42 on final salary pensions in a house they bought for 45d immediately after graduating from their all expenses paid vacations degree courses. Living off the sweat of us millenials who can hardly scrape together enough for an £18 smashed avocado on rye with balsamic dressing 4 or 5 times a week.
It's a bloody disgrace i tells ya! ::)
You forgot the bit about it being served on a bit of old railway sleeper, but, otherwise. :y
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
Might sound like Rods here ;D but Russian mafia has had a big say in the Greek side of Cyprus for a good 10 years that I know of :(
Putin negotiated a deal with the Greek Cypriot government quite a few years ago to give them exclusive use to a section of Paphos airport so they can fly in military aircraft (of the transport kind :-X) at will.
Personally, I believe Vlad the Bad has taken a leaf out of China's book and is playing the softly softly game in Cyprus.
Not like they has never been a soviet presence on the island of course ::)
There was some pretty strong rumours going around military personnel during the 80's about the owner of a certain kebab shop outside the gates of Raf Akrotiri :-X :-X
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
Might sound like Rods here ;D but Russian mafia has had a big say in the Greek side of Cyprus for a good 10 years that I know of :(
Putin negotiated a deal with the Greek Cypriot government quite a few years ago to give them exclusive use to a section of Paphos airport so they can fly in military aircraft (of the transport kind :-X) at will.
Personally, I believe Vlad the Bad has taken a leaf out of China's book and is playing the softly softly game in Cyprus.
Not like they has never been a soviet presence on the island of course ::)
There was some pretty strong rumours going around military personnel during the 80's about the owner of a certain kebab shop outside the gates of Raf Akrotiri :-X :-X
Cyprus is the Russian mafia's country of choice for dodgy money deposits where they have a very favourable Soviet era Russia-Cyprus double taxation treaty. This was also why Merkel insisted on a bank deposit bail-in during their banking crisis. Another two massive money laundering countries are the UK and US. If you want to launder $1000 in either of the countries, you will have to provide proof of address, id etc. and have problems. However, if you want to launder $10m there are plenty of bankers, solicitors, accountants, estate agent or businesses that for the right fees are happy to help. ::) ::) ::)
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
Might sound like Rods here ;D but Russian mafia has had a big say in the Greek side of Cyprus for a good 10 years that I know of :(
Putin negotiated a deal with the Greek Cypriot government quite a few years ago to give them exclusive use to a section of Paphos airport so they can fly in military aircraft (of the transport kind :-X) at will.
Personally, I believe Vlad the Bad has taken a leaf out of China's book and is playing the softly softly game in Cyprus.
Not like they has never been a soviet presence on the island of course ::)
There was some pretty strong rumours going around military personnel during the 80's about the owner of a certain kebab shop outside the gates of Raf Akrotiri :-X :-X
Cyprus is the Russian mafia's country of choice for dodgy money deposits where they have a very favourable Soviet era Russia-Cyprus double taxation treaty. This was also why Merkel insisted on a bank deposit bail-in during their banking crisis. Another two massive money laundering countries are the UK and US. If you want to launder $1000 in either of the countries, you will have to provide proof of address, id etc. and have problems. However, if you want to launder $10m there are plenty of bankers, solicitors, accountants, estate agent or businesses that for the right fees are happy to help. ::) ::) ::)
Ah, right. So it is all about fraudulent banking practices? Most all western countries are guilty of that one. Don't think it will lead to the take over of countries though. Mind you, western bankers, including those in Britain, bank rolled the Nazis throughout WW2 so I suppose anything is possible! ::) ::) ::)
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
Might sound like Rods here ;D but Russian mafia has had a big say in the Greek side of Cyprus for a good 10 years that I know of :(
Putin negotiated a deal with the Greek Cypriot government quite a few years ago to give them exclusive use to a section of Paphos airport so they can fly in military aircraft (of the transport kind :-X) at will.
Personally, I believe Vlad the Bad has taken a leaf out of China's book and is playing the softly softly game in Cyprus.
Not like they has never been a soviet presence on the island of course ::)
There was some pretty strong rumours going around military personnel during the 80's about the owner of a certain kebab shop outside the gates of Raf Akrotiri :-X :-X
Cyprus is the Russian mafia's country of choice for dodgy money deposits where they have a very favourable Soviet era Russia-Cyprus double taxation treaty. This was also why Merkel insisted on a bank deposit bail-in during their banking crisis. Another two massive money laundering countries are the UK and US. If you want to launder $1000 in either of the countries, you will have to provide proof of address, id etc. and have problems. However, if you want to launder $10m there are plenty of bankers, solicitors, accountants, estate agent or businesses that for the right fees are happy to help. ::) ::) ::)
Ah, right. So it is all about fraudulent banking practices? Most all western countries are guilty of that one. Don't think it will lead to the take over of countries though. Mind you, western bankers, including those in Britain, bank rolled the Nazis throughout WW2 so I suppose anything is possible! ::) ::) ::)
Not really Liz :)
My take on Russia and Cyprus is that the money and Russian mafia wouldn't have such a foothold there if it didn't have Putin's blessing and Putin ALWAYS has another angle ;)
Money buys you influence and power wherever you are on this planet.
I don't believe Russia has any intention of invading Cyprus.
Why would it when it already has Syria in its pocket and it owns most of Cyprus anyway ;D
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This may pursuance the doubters about UK power:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
;)
Well done Lizzie, it was this article that prompted my question to see what the current UK citizens perception and reaction would be to the UK's standing in the world. :y As expected the anti-UK factions of society are exactly that. :(
Key to global force projection are your fixed aircraft carriers like Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and The Falklands and your mobile aircraft carriers, frigates, submarine and RFA support ships and RAF heavy lift capacity. We are one of the few countries with logistic support systems that can do this out of area forces support. Russia and China who both currently have formidable local defense forces but would struggle to fight beyond their own back yard as we have seen with Russia in Syria. China over the next 10 years will have developed this sort of capacity, Russia can't and won't.
China has already done it Rods in Africa and is working its way across the Far East to the point that Indonesia has all but put its hands up the new kids on the block from Beijing ;)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/05/150509084913175.html
Your best mate in Moscow has setup permanently whether we like it or not in Syria and is rapidly making ground in Cyprus to the point that Paphos is a military airbase in all but name ;)
And that's not including his softly softly campaign to claim back those countries which Moscow lost in the 90's :)
Don't understand that point at all. Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, with one half in Greek hands, the other half in Turkish hands since their invasion of the island. The Republic of Cyprus was created after the island gained it's independence from Britain in 1960, and has since become part of the EU and the Eurozone. Hence it sees it future as part of Europe, not a part of a newly expanded Russia. The people have no connection with Russia or China, so would not be inclined to go in that direction. Indeed, although the politics in Cyprus have been troubled, they want the benefit of European defence, including having a British base there.
I am sure that if Russia made any moves towards Cyprus, not only would the people of the island have something to say, but so would the EU, Britain, and the UN. Cyprus is a key island in the Mediterranean, as is Malta, in terms of a military base which would never be handed over easily to Russia or China. ;)
Might sound like Rods here ;D but Russian mafia has had a big say in the Greek side of Cyprus for a good 10 years that I know of :(
Putin negotiated a deal with the Greek Cypriot government quite a few years ago to give them exclusive use to a section of Paphos airport so they can fly in military aircraft (of the transport kind :-X) at will.
Personally, I believe Vlad the Bad has taken a leaf out of China's book and is playing the softly softly game in Cyprus.
Not like they has never been a soviet presence on the island of course ::)
There was some pretty strong rumours going around military personnel during the 80's about the owner of a certain kebab shop outside the gates of Raf Akrotiri :-X :-X
Cyprus is the Russian mafia's country of choice for dodgy money deposits where they have a very favourable Soviet era Russia-Cyprus double taxation treaty. This was also why Merkel insisted on a bank deposit bail-in during their banking crisis. Another two massive money laundering countries are the UK and US. If you want to launder $1000 in either of the countries, you will have to provide proof of address, id etc. and have problems. However, if you want to launder $10m there are plenty of bankers, solicitors, accountants, estate agent or businesses that for the right fees are happy to help. ::) ::) ::)
Ah, right. So it is all about fraudulent banking practices? Most all western countries are guilty of that one. Don't think it will lead to the take over of countries though. Mind you, western bankers, including those in Britain, bank rolled the Nazis throughout WW2 so I suppose anything is possible! ::) ::) ::)
It actually helps keep the countries safe as the last thing those at the top want is to lose the offshore financial firewall and independent judicial system between their ill gotten gains and the host state. ;) This is why there is so much Russian (Putin) lobbying against the Magnitsky Act as it endangers their offshore wealth especially Putin's alleged $200bn invested around the world. Where the USSR and Trump go back to 1984 and especially from 1991, why do you think he won't make public his tax records and special Congress investigator Robert Mueller has drafted in the best fraud and money laundering investigators in the US. He is also allegedly targeting state offenses as Trump cannot pardon those. :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) Trump's Atlantic City Casino history and finances make 'interesting' reading and don't ask where the money came from to rescue bankrupt property empire when US banks shunned him. I think the saying is go east young man. ::) ::) ::)