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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 17 August 2017, 21:26:37
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I suppose it's just more of the same, but a sad indictment if we are no longer shocked by it:
Barcelona: 13 killed as van rams crowds in Las Ramblas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40965581
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Thought that Las Ramblas was pedestrianised :-\
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Thought that Las Ramblas was pedestrianised :-\
It is .... hence you wouldn't expect a van driving down it at speed
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Grim.
Spain has had its fair share of terror incidents including the 2004 Madrid train bombings .
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Just surprised the scumbag could get down there at all.
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According to reports this morning a man hunt is on for the driver of the van who managed to flee the scene.meanwhile elsewhere[I forget the name of the place]Spanish police have shot dead five suspected terrorists.
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Spain has had its fair share of terror incidents including the 2004 Madrid train bombings .
Usually "home grown" though, not ISIS.
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Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru leader) first response to the news of this atrocity was to tweet "Is this more far right terrorism"
The woman isn't just a moron, she is rather deranged.
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Bring me to power. I'll start by shooting the home grown radicals. And then the thick (those not already dealt with in the first), then the lazy.
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More seriously, we will end up in a global war within my lifetime, as we are, at last, starting to vote in less wishy-washy soundbite politicians around the world (but UK is lagging here). That will make it more of a conflict than the current invitation to slaughter innocent people on purpose because some idiot has offered you your non-existent virgins.
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Apathy has set in, no-one is surprised or shocked any more, and they probably can't even be bothered to hold a vigil..... :-X :(
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Apathy has set in, no-one is surprised or shocked any more, and they probably can't even be bothered to hold a vigil..... :-X :(
Lets hope so, and hope the media leave it be. Then the shitheads will have no need to do it.
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According to reports this morning a man hunt is on for the driver of the van who managed to flee the scene.meanwhile elsewhere[I forget the name of the place]Spanish police have shot dead five suspected terrorists.
We used to holiday quite a bit in the Salou/Cambrils area. Won,t go there now, full of miserable bloody Ruskies. :(
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Looks like another attack in Finland today. Two dead, many injured.
I think maybe the countries where this has happened need to take a look at the countries where it doesn't happen and see if there are any clues which might point us in the right direction.
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Looks like another attack in Finland today. Two dead, many injured.
I think maybe the countries where this has happened need to take a look at the countries where it doesn't happen and see if there are any clues which might point us in the right direction.
It's like a disease spreading around the World. :-\
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Looks like another attack in Finland today. Two dead, many injured.
I think maybe the countries where this has happened need to take a look at the countries where it doesn't happen and see if there are any clues which might point us in the right direction.
It's like a disease spreading around the World. :-\
Oh yes, this will not stop now :( :( >:(
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It wont stop until get leaders with the balls to do whatever it takes to make it stop.
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It wont stop until get leaders with the balls to do whatever it takes to make it stop.
There is always going to be some vicious oppser with a grudge. Exactly what do you expect any leader to do about that?
Murdering a dozen people with a van does NOT change anything about our society unless we allow it to. Anyone who volunteers to live in fear like that should go to the top of TB's cull list.
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461 people murdered by the scum in terrorist attacks since 2014. >:( >:( >:( :'(
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Bring me to power. I'll start by shooting the home grown radicals. And then the thick (those not already dealt with in the first), then the lazy.
Is this going to be you way of getting the unemployment figures down..... ;D ;D
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It wont stop until get leaders with the balls to do whatever it takes to make it stop.
There is always going to be some vicious oppser with a grudge. Exactly what do you expect any leader to do about that?
Murdering a dozen people with a van does NOT change anything about our society unless we allow it to. Anyone who volunteers to live in fear like that should go to the top of TB's cull list.
It doesn't seem to happen in Eastern Europe, this is because their leaders didn't open the floodgates all and sundry like the morons in Western Europe did.
It has already changed our way of life. One example being the concrete bollards being installed on Londons bridges.
I expect this type of thing to continue and grow.
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Another example is air travel. So so different to 30 years ago.
Where the hell is that 7 year old boy? :o
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Hopefully he is being kept safe by someone who found him wandering around the aftermath rather than under the van :-\
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We used to holiday quite a bit in the Salou/Cambrils area. Won,t go there now, full of miserable bloody Ruskies. :(
I go to Cyprus fairly regularly, and since the banking crisis, the number of Brit holiday makers dropped off dramatically (thank god), but they were replaced mainly with Russians...
...who I've found more friendly, dignified and helpful than the Brits who go out there. When I had a bit of an accident, cracking my ribs and breaking my nose, it was a hard nut looking Ruskie who came over to assist :y
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It doesn't seem to happen in Eastern Europe, this is because their leaders didn't open the floodgates all and sundry like the morons in Western Europe did.
Brexit ain't gonna change that ;)
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It doesn't seem to happen in Eastern Europe, this is because their leaders didn't open the floodgates all and sundry like the morons in Western Europe did.
Brexit ain't gonna change that ;)
If the Eastern European countries don't comply with EU demands to resettle thousands of migrants in their countries we might see Polxit, Hunxit, Romxit, Bulxit, Slovaxit and Czecxit! ::) ;D
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The EU are threatening to suspend all Polands voting rights for that very reason. :y
Brexit could potentially change it, because we could theoretically have a Govt. who decides who will and who wont live in the UK.
I wont hold my breath though.
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It wont stop until get leaders with the balls to do whatever it takes to make it stop.
There is always going to be some vicious oppser with a grudge. Exactly what do you expect any leader to do about that?
Murdering a dozen people with a van does NOT change anything about our society unless we allow it to. Anyone who volunteers to live in fear like that should go to the top of TB's cull list.
It doesn't seem to happen in Eastern Europe, this is because their leaders didn't open the floodgates all and sundry like the morons in Western Europe did.
It has already changed our way of life. One example being the concrete bollards being installed on Londons bridges.
I expect this type of thing to continue and grow.
Not correct:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40985561
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-terrorist-attacks-russia-20170403-htmlstory.html
.and that is without doing any real in depth research :)
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Ok maybe its not completely unheard of, but the incidence of ISIS style attacks (as opposed to Chechen separatist attacks, which is an internal Russian problem) is very much lower than we experience in the West. In fact the one in the BBC link, which has just happened, is the first I have heard of (or remember) :-\
I would imagine the Russians will now take whatever action they feel is needed to try and nip it in the bud. We cant do that currently.
I don't recall hearing of anything in the smaller eastern European states, which may be easier to police (more comparible with the UK) whereas Russia is vast and by definition more diverse, which can brings its own challenges as it does in the U.S.
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It wont stop until get leaders with the balls to do whatever it takes to make it stop.
There is always going to be some vicious oppser with a grudge. Exactly what do you expect any leader to do about that?
Murdering a dozen people with a van does NOT change anything about our society unless we allow it to. Anyone who volunteers to live in fear like that should go to the top of TB's cull list.
It doesn't seem to happen in Eastern Europe, this is because their leaders didn't open the floodgates all and sundry like the morons in Western Europe did.
It has already changed our way of life. One example being the concrete bollards being installed on Londons bridges.
I expect this type of thing to continue and grow.
Not true where there have been many major attacks, especially bombings, in Russia, including a multiple stabbing today. >:( >:( >:( There is also a major problem where one of the world's biggest terrorists is Putin. This includes the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings which were ordered by Putin and carried out by the FSB. Putin used this to consolidate his new leadership position and launch the second Chechen war which murdering about 200,000 Chechens. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is also a terrorist attack that so far has killed 10,060 Ukrainians with the majority civilians. The Ukranian defensive operation is still called an Anti-Terrorist Operation or ATO. Russia has also stepped up its FSB wet-works with many people murdered in the West who have crossed or opposed Putin including around 10 in the UK. There current Active Measures must also be considered terrorist attacks from their massive Ddos on Estonia, to murders, bombings, hire-a-protest-mobs, hackings and shutting down their electricity grid, disrupting one of their nuclear power stations and malware issues including one when I was over there recently which took offline their flight reservation computers, banks and other important services in Ukraine. In the US he has hacked and subverted their election, regularly probes their electricity grid (which is more vulnerable than most) and their nuclear power stations. >:( >:( >:(
Where Russia is rapidly going broke and Putin is having to clamp down harder and harder on Russian civil liberties, expect these Active Measures to escalate where wins against the West are a popular distraction at home which helps to prop up his regime! :( :( :(
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Ok maybe its not completely unheard of, but the incidence of ISIS style attacks (as opposed to Chechen separatist attacks, which is an internal Russian problem) is very much lower than we experience in the West. In fact the one in the BBC link, which has just happened, is the first I have heard of (or remember) :-\
I would imagine the Russians will now take whatever action they feel is needed to try and nip it in the bud. We cant do that currently.
I don't recall hearing of anything in the smaller eastern European states, which may be easier to police (more comparible with the UK) whereas Russia is vast and by definition more diverse, which can brings its own challenges as it does in the U.S.
I think one big difference between western and eastern Europe is the level of democracy, or rather lack of it in Russia in particular. Our security services have to conform to all the standards that have been set to maintain justice for all, like PACE and the IPCC to monitor the police in the UK. In Russia I am sure it is a very different story; no doubt it is a case of justice of a type, rough and given out by the security forces without scrutiny by anyone, as it was in the case of British policing many decades ago. They "take care" of any growing threats without the need of our complicated justice system. Threats are eradicated quickly and effectively, as they were under the communist system. ;)
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Agreed, but ours are also bound by EU law on top of what used to be our own justice system, which often severely limits any action that can be taken.
Freedom of movement being the most obvious example, along with the judgements and rulings from the ECJ.
We are known as a soft touch and a soft target, and that really needs to change.
There are no obvious potential leaders on the horizon who would be willing and able to take on the job though.
I vote for TB and his mass cull personally. :)
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Ok maybe its not completely unheard of, but the incidence of ISIS style attacks (as opposed to Chechen separatist attacks, which is an internal Russian problem) is very much lower than we experience in the West. In fact the one in the BBC link, which has just happened, is the first I have heard of (or remember) :-\
I would imagine the Russians will now take whatever action they feel is needed to try and nip it in the bud. We cant do that currently.
I don't recall hearing of anything in the smaller eastern European states, which may be easier to police (more comparible with the UK) whereas Russia is vast and by definition more diverse, which can brings its own challenges as it does in the U.S.
No real surprise as much of ISIS has been recruited by the FSB in Chechnya, Uzbekistan and other -stans where it is a classic Russian Active Measures operation where you make a group look so much worse than who you are protecting, in this case Assad, to make them look the moderates in comparison. The danger is the possible blowback from this and also the Russian Separatists (contract Russian mercenaries) in Ukraine where they don't want their nationalism and military skills back home potentially causing trouble, but they are struggling to keep them out! :o :o :o
By the way, this type of recruitment and operation is not exclusive to Russia where a similar operation was used by the French and Algerians to defeat Algerian terrorists and win their civil war in the 1990s. :o :o :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Civil_War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Civil_War)
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Ok maybe its not completely unheard of, but the incidence of ISIS style attacks (as opposed to Chechen separatist attacks, which is an internal Russian problem) is very much lower than we experience in the West. In fact the one in the BBC link, which has just happened, is the first I have heard of (or remember) :-\
I would imagine the Russians will now take whatever action they feel is needed to try and nip it in the bud. We cant do that currently.
I don't recall hearing of anything in the smaller eastern European states, which may be easier to police (more comparible with the UK) whereas Russia is vast and by definition more diverse, which can brings its own challenges as it does in the U.S.
I think one big difference between western and eastern Europe is the level of democracy, or rather lack of it in Russia in particular. Our security services have to conform to all the standards that have been set to maintain justice for all, like PACE and the IPCC to monitor the police in the UK. In Russia I am sure it is a very different story; no doubt it is a case of justice of a type, rough and given out by the security forces without scrutiny by anyone, as it was in the case of British policing many decades ago. They "take care" of any growing threats without the need of our complicated justice system. Threats are eradicated quickly and effectively, as they were under the communist system. ;)
Russian justice or all too often injustice is not independent of their politicians or security services who call all the shots in major cases if there is a good angle for strengthening Putin's regime and popularity or he needs to send out a message to a group of Russians. The clipping of the wings of the Oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky is a classic example. Since 2014, there have been and there are still ongoing Soviet-style show trials of Ukrainians, especially Crimean Tartars. The most famous of which is Ukrainian helicopter pilot Nadiya Savchenko. The famous ones that are murdered for being a nuisance to the Putin regime like former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov you get to hear about in the West, the nobodies just disappear. :o :o :o
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The missing 7yr old has been confirmed as one of the dead.
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The missing 7yr old has been confirmed as one of the dead.
I did wonder if they were waiting to inform the family in person before publicly confirming it :'(
At least they now know.