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Title: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 November 2017, 15:29:49
Landed without front undercarriage this afternoon, after circling for 2 hours to burn fuel:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/10/plane-crashes-at-belfast-airport-after-emergency-landing-flybe-inverness
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Jimbob on 10 November 2017, 15:41:36
hmmm, were 2 fire engines at the end of the runway at Hawarden earlier, wonder if it was considering ditching here?
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 November 2017, 15:43:03
Sort out the reason the wheel didn't drop and a bit of paint and it will be flying on Monday morning  :y
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 November 2017, 16:08:08
In the grand scheme of things, there's plenty worse to go wrong ;)

Any injuries most likely to be from trying to use the front steps rather than the actual landing...
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: TheBoy on 10 November 2017, 16:47:05
Last time I flew Flybe, they had to get a replacement plane, as our puddle jumper broke en-route to us (so a jet to get from St Helier to Southampton - that should have been the worlds fastest flight).

That was a longer than planned flight, as the pilot had to abort the landing part way through the approach as a light aircraft got in the way ;D
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 November 2017, 17:09:07
Another pilot discovers the expensive way to paint a line down a runway. ;D

Still, could have been much more messy. At least it was only the nose gear. ;)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 November 2017, 23:05:22
I'd still consider it messy enough, if I were approaching the tarmac sat in that thing without one of the wheels down  ;D
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 November 2017, 00:20:57
My pants would have got very messy at the first sign of trouble. I'm not a good flyer at the best of times.  :-[ ;D
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: zirk on 11 November 2017, 01:04:32
Last time I flew Flybe, they had to get a replacement plane, as our puddle jumper broke en-route to us (so a jet to get from St Helier to Southampton - that should have been the worlds fastest flight).

That was a longer than planned flight, as the pilot had to abort the landing part way through the approach as a light aircraft got in the way ;D
Been Banking the OOF Shop profits again,  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 November 2017, 01:47:57
So when planes dump fuel, does that mean that they're flying along pishing kerosene out the back?  :o  :-\
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: zirk on 11 November 2017, 01:50:33
So when planes dump fuel, does that mean that they're flying along pishing kerosene out the back?  :o  :-\
Yep, but normally over water otherwise is burnt off.
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 November 2017, 01:55:15
https://youtu.be/XORgDkaV_xk
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: ronnyd on 11 November 2017, 14:06:12
The vid just after the linky was very good. :y
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 November 2017, 14:13:15
The vid just after the linky was very good. :y

Yes, but I don't believe the assertion that the fuel evaporates and disappears.  It goes somewhere, probably helps form a cloud and then comes down in the rain. Nice!  ::)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 November 2017, 14:31:56
I'd be surprised if something as small as a DASH-8 is equipped to jettison fuel.
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: ronnyd on 11 November 2017, 16:03:31
The vid just after the linky was very good. :y

Yes, but I don't believe the assertion that the fuel evaporates and disappears.  It goes somewhere, probably helps form a cloud and then comes down in the rain. Nice!  ::)
You could well be right, but the fighter with it,s arse on fire was impressive. 8)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 November 2017, 17:16:14
The vid just after the linky was very good. :y

Yes, but I don't believe the assertion that the fuel evaporates and disappears.  It goes somewhere, probably helps form a cloud and then comes down in the rain. Nice!  ::)
You could well be right, but the fighter with it,s arse on fire was impressive. 8)

 :y
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 November 2017, 19:36:39
Yes, but I don't believe the assertion that the fuel evaporates and disappears.  It goes somewhere, probably helps form a cloud and then comes down in the rain. Nice!  ::)

It's probably better than the alternative, which might well be fuel, along with bits of aircraft and passenger, coming down like rain. ;)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: LC0112G on 11 November 2017, 19:38:43
Dumping fuel can provide some airshow highlights....
(https://image.ibb.co/ioSDqw/IMG_4858b.jpg)
Title: Re: Flybe Aircraft Crash Lands
Post by: Entwood on 12 November 2017, 14:11:02
Dumping fuel can provide some airshow highlights....
(https://image.ibb.co/ioSDqw/IMG_4858b.jpg)

Although impressive at an airshow, this is not actually "fuel dumping", which is a procedure done purely to reduce weight, and the fuel is NOT ignited as the pilot usually has more on his mind if a jet is trying to reduce weight in a hurry ! This is a deliberate design feature from some years back when the vast majority of air-to-air missiles were of the "heat seeking" (IR) variety... the idea being you squirt out a small burst of fuel, hit the afterburner to a) ignite it, b) accelerate away very quickly, so leaving a small "lump" of superheated air, with a VERY high IR signature, behind you whilst you move away..... the heat seeking missile heads to the lump of superheated air, not you, and you escape its intent. This was seen as a lighter, more efficient protection system than kitting out an aircraft with the ability of firing decoy flares, which are limited in number and quite heavy.

Modern missiles are rarely heat seeking but usually radar guided, so this is "old tech" now .... but still has a "Wow" factor at the airshow, when the flame is kept alight far longer than required !!

:)