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Title: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 18:01:16
Has anyone tried one of those ultrasonic cat repellers?
I'm sick to the back teeth of picking up cat tihs on my lawn. The arse over the road has at least five of the bloody things  >:( >:(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:05:49
Dont know mate... but if you find it works let me know! I am forced to live with 11 of the little darlings.... thanks to the wife and her cat habit!  :(  :(

And they all live indoors or a cattery when the weather good...  >:(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 18:10:45
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Dont know mate... but if you find it works let me know! I am forced to live with 11 of the little darlings.... thanks to the wife and her cat habit!  :(  :(

And they all live indoors or a cattery when the weather good...  >:(

That's a lot of pussy  ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 18:11:44
It appears we can't say yssup now  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: HNO3GOH on 08 August 2008, 18:13:35
There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: PaulW on 08 August 2008, 18:15:15
supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:18:51
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:19:47
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...



could do some real damage with that  ;D ;D ;D ;D Think about getting that in the eye.... OW  :P
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 18:21:12
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:22:50
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(




 ;D ;D ;D

Yep water is a good repelant.

I am very good at arse injections  ;) ;) It wont hurt.... Much  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 18:25:29
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(




 ;D ;D ;D

Yep water is a good repelant.

I am very good at arse injections  ;) ;) It wont hurt.... Much  ;) ;D ;D

OOh er  :-* :-* :D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:28:21
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(




 ;D ;D ;D

Yep water is a good repelant.

I am very good at arse injections  ;) ;) It wont hurt.... Much  ;) ;D ;D

OOh er  :-* :-* :D ;D





yep... the arse i am affraid!  ;D ;D    :-* :-* :-*

Lorazepam IM will not be good injected anywhere else.. will make you a bit high... and we dont want that  ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: HNO3GOH on 08 August 2008, 18:33:05
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

God i never knew that Dan, i have a tub of it in the shed which i was going to use on our grass but now it's going in the bin, thanks Dan :y. I have 7 cats one of which is my baby cos he is a blue and silver british short hair called oscar and he is much like me, loves his food and sleep ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 18:35:54
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

God i never knew that Dan, i have a tub of it in the shed which i was going to use on our grass but now it's going in the bin, thanks Dan :y. I have 7 cats one of which is my baby cos he is a blue and silver british short hair called oscar and he is much like me, loves his food and sleep ;D





Yep.. it is a slow acting thing... bit like lead in humans. Howver the cats are repelled by the knowing that it is toxic.  :y
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: HNO3GOH on 08 August 2008, 18:41:16
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

God i never knew that Dan, i have a tub of it in the shed which i was going to use on our grass but now it's going in the bin, thanks Dan :y. I have 7 cats one of which is my baby cos he is a blue and silver british short hair called oscar and he is much like me, loves his food and sleep ;D





Yep.. it is a slow acting thing... bit like lead in humans. Howver the cats are repelled by the knowing that it is toxic.  :y
Well the rest of my cats would know but oscar, let's just say he's not that bright.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Danny on 08 August 2008, 18:55:18
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Dont know mate... but if you find it works let me know! I am forced to live with 11 of the little darlings.... thanks to the wife and her cat habit!  :(  :(

And they all live indoors or a cattery when the weather good...  >:(

That's a lot of girl thingy  ;D

rofl!! good effort!!

we have 3 cats, grown up with cats in the house and loved them when i was a kid, still love them now but wouldnt have them in my own house though, fleabags, even after prescription treatment!
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 19:09:14
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Dont know mate... but if you find it works let me know! I am forced to live with 11 of the little darlings.... thanks to the wife and her cat habit!  :(  :(

And they all live indoors or a cattery when the weather good...  >:(

That's a lot of girl thingy  ;D

rofl!! good effort!!

we have 3 cats, grown up with cats in the house and loved them when i was a kid, still love them now but wouldnt have them in my own house though, fleabags, even after prescription treatment!

Yeah you're right Danny. I also grew up with cats & had one until a few years back. I'm just sick of the mess they like to leave on my lawn & when the sun warms it up  :P :-[
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: stuart30 on 08 August 2008, 19:14:22
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Has anyone tried one of those ultrasonic cat repellers?
I'm sick to the back teeth of picking up cat tihs on my lawn. The arse over the road has at least five of the bloody things  >:( >:(


Best thing too scare cats off is poisoned meat.... :y

Ok ok im joking...someone told me too peel a lemon an put that down as cats dont like the smell or Garlic.

The lemon seems too work....smells lovely too. :)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: stuart30 on 08 August 2008, 19:16:32
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(




 ;D ;D ;D

Yep water is a good repelant.

I am very good at arse injections  ;) ;) It wont hurt.... Much  ;) ;D ;D


Oh nursey i now have very very bad images of you injecting him man on man.....oh its put me off me tea.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psychnurse on 08 August 2008, 19:20:45
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supersoaker filled with hot chilli sauce sometimes works...


Someone mentioned a water pistol & i'd get some funny looks dressed in my old DPM's & hiding in the bushes  :D I'd probably have psychnurse giving me shots every day  :'(




 ;D ;D ;D

Yep water is a good repelant.

I am very good at arse injections  ;) ;) It wont hurt.... Much  ;) ;D ;D


Oh nursey i now have very very bad images of you injecting him man on man.....oh its put me off me tea.






Its all very dignified.... really!  ;D ;D I can spot a good IM ite from 20 yards LOL  ;)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: achoo81 on 08 August 2008, 20:29:42
Hi waspy we got two here they work bl**dy good we got some t*t down the road from us got 6 cats at the last count they siht everywhere round here exept our garden, you can get scarers with mains adapters if you look around.  
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 20:49:38
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Hi waspy we got two here they work bl**dy good we got some t*t down the road from us got 6 cats at the last count they siht everywhere round here exept our garden, you can get scarers with mains adapters if you look around.  


Thanx pal. I've decided to get one tomorrow  :y
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: dieseldean on 08 August 2008, 20:54:09
makes your driveway stink but lemonjuice works
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 08 August 2008, 20:59:34
I need a long term solution, Lemons, Garlic & the like will get washed away in our great British summer  ::). Thank you for you help though  :y
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 August 2008, 21:02:02
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

Gets my vote then.....how much for 500Kg of the stuff
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: psnimv6 on 08 August 2008, 21:41:10
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

Gets my vote then.....how much for 500Kg of the stuff
he he man after my own heart ;D might buy some of that stuff myself as i am torchered with them aswell day and night squeeling and whining at each other >:( i am going to but a human trap and bring them for a 10 mile drive and then let them out to be somones elses problem.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 08 August 2008, 22:07:58
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Hi waspy we got two here they work bl**dy good we got some t*t down the road from us got 6 cats at the last count they siht everywhere round here exept our garden, you can get scarers with mains adapters if you look around.  


Thanx pal. I've decided to get one tomorrow  :y

I can loan Holly out to you.......reasonable rates  :y

She chases the cats outa my garden  :y ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: miggy on 08 August 2008, 22:29:14
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.

I have something which is bown and leather with lace holes in it, it is called a boot, they are used for walking in, but they look good buried up to the second lace hole in a rear end of a feline. ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 08 August 2008, 23:09:13
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

Gets my vote then.....how much for 500Kg of the stuff

No need for that sort of attitude gents. Joking or not there are far more responsible ways to deal with the problem. If you and your family have ever lost a pet youll know...

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: LJay on 08 August 2008, 23:17:05
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There is some stuff which is green and called get off and it's for using on flower beds and lawns.



Good stuff... but contains Phenols... which kills cats over time as it is very toxic to them  :( :(

Love my siamese and my sphynx... the rest are a bit questionable  ;)

Gets my vote then.....how much for 500Kg of the stuff

No need for that sort of attitude gents. Joking or not there are far more responsible ways to deal with the problem. If you and your family have ever lost a pet youll know...



well said! we had 2 cats now down to 1. the thought that someone would deliberately want to poison one makes me sick! >:(
i know they are a pain when they mess but there is no need to be evil about it! >:(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: maria on 08 August 2008, 23:21:48
I am with you on this one Ljay as i have had cats in the past and its not nice to be told that some one has poisoned your cat :o
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Vamps on 09 August 2008, 01:34:45
We hav a cat and a dog, have a problem with a neighbours cat that keeps coming into to our house, through the catflap an eating our cat's food and it is on a diet. our cat will fight him but the dog ignores him ::)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 09 August 2008, 21:27:03
magnetic cat flap for you then. Or rather magnet goes on the cats collar activates the flap only your cats can get in. Not cheap tho. Watch the battery does not run out or the cats collar does not fall off.Hope helps.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 09 August 2008, 21:48:00
Simple ways to keep cats out of your garden.

Water the paths down with jeys flid.

Mix some pepper in the flower beds where they crap and if you see one, sqirt it wirh a jiff lemon. once they have had a dose of that up thier nostrils, they wont be back

All harmless and all excellent deterants.

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: holtender on 09 August 2008, 22:28:48
Simple way to keep cat mess out of your garden is to get your own cat!

 We had not had a cat for a couple of years and had all the neighbours cats using our garden, just walking around the dozy Labrador who was on guard it would seem.

Got a new cat 9 months ago and now no cat mess in the last 5 months!
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 09 August 2008, 22:46:46
Here is the problem solver.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WATER-SPRAY-ANIMAL-CAT-HERON-CHASER-REPELLER-SCARECROW_W0QQitemZ320284288668QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320284288668&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

I want one for cold callers
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: sir moanalot on 10 August 2008, 17:13:49
wanna borrow one of my guns ?  ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 10 August 2008, 18:37:54
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wanna borrow one of my guns ?  ;D

yes please...i like murdering morons! :y
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 10 August 2008, 18:45:20
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Here is the problem solver.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WATER-SPRAY-ANIMAL-CAT-HERON-CHASER-REPELLER-SCARECROW_W0QQitemZ320284288668QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320284288668&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

I want one for cold callers
thats more like it,  :y we offered to get something like this for the grumpy old bag over the road, she declined. instead she decided to moan about me working om my own car outside my own house on my own drive. but is strangely happy to knock on our door when she wants something fixing. :-/
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: bappy on 14 August 2008, 12:58:30
Ultrasonic cat repellers are often very audible to children I can still hear them slightly at age 20, coupled with my tinittus they cause discomfort and are increddibly annoying. Just worth bearing in mind if you or your neighbours have kids...
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: LFF64 on 14 August 2008, 13:31:28
My cat goes out in the garden doing what ever cats do all day  ::) if she needs the loo she comes in and uses her litter tray then goes back out to play  ::)
 I have a thing about worms I really do not like them at all problem is the cat does, she brings the things in hanging out of her mouth like a peice of string and puts them on the floor for me  :-[
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Big Fra on 14 August 2008, 13:32:51
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Has anyone tried one of those ultrasonic cat repellers?
I'm sick to the back teeth of picking up cat tihs on my lawn. The arse over the road has at least five of the bloody things  >:( >:(

I have a great cat repellant. FOR HIRE! Comes as a pair.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/bigfra79/30062008269-1.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: MaxV6 on 14 August 2008, 14:05:19
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Ultrasonic cat repellers are often very audible to children I can still hear them slightly at age 20, coupled with my tinittus they cause discomfort and are increddibly annoying. Just worth bearing in mind if you or your neighbours have kids...

and indeed, sound engineers.......    and many musicians....

I find them painfully irritating....    and i'm a particularly unpleasant S.O.a.B. when irritated in that manner....   as my neighbours at our old house discovered......

i think suggesting i ram knitting needles in thru their ears to demonstrate what i was feeling when they switched the damn things on might have soured the relationship a little.

pepper dust, citrus peel, and an eagle eye with a water pistol trains them over the course of a couple of weeks,,   then change the citrus peel once a month and you're sorted.



Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: bertiecbx550 on 14 August 2008, 14:27:05
I find letting your rottie have the run of the garden does the trick....She likes to ambush em by hiding in the bushes and then running out barking at em..I`m sure she enjoys scaring the kwap outa em..She just stands there afterwards tongue out looking round and thinking i`m in charge round ere.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Gaffers on 14 August 2008, 15:46:57
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could do some real damage with that  ;D ;D ;D ;D Think about getting that in the eye.... OW  :P

Get a soft air BB gun, a few pops at each kitty every now and then will do the trick :y

(rather hate cats)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: LJay on 14 August 2008, 21:24:02
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could do some real damage with that  ;D ;D ;D ;D Think about getting that in the eye.... OW  :P

Get a soft air BB gun, a few pops at each kitty every now and then will do the trick :y

(rather hate cats)

They must rather hate you too with that attitude!!! >:(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 15 August 2008, 04:01:38
 each to there own and all that, no problem with dogs, love them in fact.  But am i missing something here, the guy is is not happy with animals crapping on his lawn, and some people are suggesting getting a dog will stop this happening...
If you want a lawn like i mine field and covered in dead white patches i would say getting a dog is an excellent idea. Nice one. Well done. :y

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Gaffers on 15 August 2008, 05:41:19
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could do some real damage with that  ;D ;D ;D ;D Think about getting that in the eye.... OW  :P

Get a soft air BB gun, a few pops at each kitty every now and then will do the trick :y

(rather hate cats)

They must rather hate you too with that attitude!!! >:(

Can't say they get very close to me, but then I am allergic so thats fine by me  ;)

But surely if I have a dog and let it run about your garden and cr@p everywhere you would be upset and come and make me move it myself?  So why should cats be immune?  Plus I used to have a great vegetable and herb patch in my last place until the nighbours cat ruin it by using it for bedding and p!ssing all over the veg, yuk!  (I have never shot at a cat by the way!)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Big Fra on 15 August 2008, 11:37:34
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each to there own and all that, no problem with dogs, love them in fact.  But am i missing something here, the guy is is not happy with animals crapping on his lawn, and some people are suggesting getting a dog will stop this happening...
If you want a lawn like i mine field and covered in dead white patches i would say getting a dog is an excellent idea. Nice one. Well done. :y


I have two large german shepherds whom I let take care of their business in my back garden.

No patches, no discolouration, if we are out a walk, I use crap bags if they feel the need to park their breakfast.

As long as you train your dogs properly and not to let them do whatever they want like wandering the streets in and out of peoples gardens, then you will have no issues whatsoever. Unlike a couple of my neighbours who let their dogs roam the streets and have very little control over them. I have asked them not to let their dogs into my garden because if one should stray into my dogs garden, well, their dog may not return in the same shape. Not because mine are agressive, not by any means, but dogs are terratorial and very protective.

To re-iterate a point I have made many times before, it's not the animal at fault, it's the owner.

Rant over :D

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: bappy on 15 August 2008, 12:44:56
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each to there own and all that, no problem with dogs, love them in fact.  But am i missing something here, the guy is is not happy with animals crapping on his lawn, and some people are suggesting getting a dog will stop this happening...
If you want a lawn like i mine field and covered in dead white patches i would say getting a dog is an excellent idea. Nice one. Well done. :y


I have two large german shepherds whom I let take care of their business in my back garden.

No patches, no discolouration, if we are out a walk, I use crap bags if they feel the need to park their breakfast.

As long as you train your dogs properly and not to let them do whatever they want like wandering the streets in and out of peoples gardens, then you will have no issues whatsoever. Unlike a couple of my neighbours who let their dogs roam the streets and have very little control over them. I have asked them not to let their dogs into my garden because if one should stray into my dogs garden, well, their dog may not return in the same shape. Not because mine are agressive, not by any means, but dogs are terratorial and very protective.

To re-iterate a point I have made many times before, it's not the animal at fault, it's the owner.
Rant over :D


I agree totally.

the unfortunate thing is that 80% of dog owners are not like you.

I personally hate dogs with a vengeance  >:( anything over 18" high scare the cr@p out of me (I got bitten arround the face by an alsation when I was six - not a pleasant experience) and anything below 18" are generally irritating and noisy (I know thats mostly the fault of the owners but like i said, 80%...)

ALL DOGS SMELL BAD

dogs make the car, the house and often the owners clothes STINK of dog. This is a bad thing :D

but back to the topic of cats defecating in the lawn :D

buy asda smartprice curry powder and sprinkle it on the flower beds every 2 weeks. (any curry powder will do, asda smartprice is just the chearest!)

you will not get cat trouble then, trust me :)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Big Fra on 15 August 2008, 13:17:41
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each to there own and all that, no problem with dogs, love them in fact.  But am i missing something here, the guy is is not happy with animals crapping on his lawn, and some people are suggesting getting a dog will stop this happening...
If you want a lawn like i mine field and covered in dead white patches i would say getting a dog is an excellent idea. Nice one. Well done. :y


I have two large german shepherds whom I let take care of their business in my back garden.

No patches, no discolouration, if we are out a walk, I use crap bags if they feel the need to park their breakfast.

As long as you train your dogs properly and not to let them do whatever they want like wandering the streets in and out of peoples gardens, then you will have no issues whatsoever. Unlike a couple of my neighbours who let their dogs roam the streets and have very little control over them. I have asked them not to let their dogs into my garden because if one should stray into my dogs garden, well, their dog may not return in the same shape. Not because mine are agressive, not by any means, but dogs are terratorial and very protective.

To re-iterate a point I have made many times before, it's not the animal at fault, it's the owner.
Rant over :D


I agree totally.

the unfortunate thing is that 80% of dog owners are not like you.

I personally hate dogs with a vengeance  >:( anything over 18" high scare the cr@p out of me (I got bitten arround the face by an alsation when I was six - not a pleasant experience) and anything below 18" are generally irritating and noisy (I know thats mostly the fault of the owners but like i said, 80%...)

ALL DOGS SMELL BAD

dogs make the car, the house and often the owners clothes STINK of dog. This is a bad thing :D


but back to the topic of cats defecating in the lawn :D

buy asda smartprice curry powder and sprinkle it on the flower beds every 2 weeks. (any curry powder will do, asda smartprice is just the chearest!)

you will not get cat trouble then, trust me :)

I will point out that there are a great many dog lovers on here and also at least one breeder on the oof.

I have been bitten by dogs before, so what?

It's narrow mindedness like you have shown that just proves society is more than happy to blame others than to take a little responsibility themselves. I presume you were totally innocent when you were bitten?

Kids aren't taught properly about dogs, most adults don't know either, that is the problem. After one week the kids in my street knew the proper way to approach and act around my dogs. The parents thanked me and told their kids to listen to me, as my dogs can be a little intimidating at first, and obviously the dogs are wary as well. Now there are no problems from either side, all it takes is a little knowledge.

Clearly you were not taught about dogs.

All dogs smell bad?

Thats just nasty.

I dont particularly like cats, but I wouldn't insult a cat owner by telling them they stink.

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Debs. on 15 August 2008, 14:13:00
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I agree totally.

the unfortunate thing is that 80% of dog owners are not like you.

I personally hate dogs with a vengeance  >:( anything over 18" high scare the cr@p out of me (I got bitten arround the face by an alsation when I was six - not a pleasant experience) and anything below 18"
are generally irritating and noisy (I know thats mostly the fault of the owners but like i said, 80%...)

ALL DOGS SMELL BAD

dogs make the car, the house and often the owners clothes STINK of dog. This is a bad thing :D

but back to the topic of cats defecating in the lawn :D

buy asda smartprice curry powder and sprinkle it on the flower beds every 2 weeks. (any curry powder will do, asda smartprice is just the chearest!)

you will not get cat trouble then, trust me :)

I agree with you in respect of the fact that mostly it`s the owners of antisocial pets whom cause decent and considerate animal enthusiasts/owners to be tarred with the dirty brush.
Perhaps your experiences at such an early age have unfairly darkened your views of canines, but I find your sweeping pejorative statements concerning the (asserted) malodour of many owners and ALL of their canine companions, to be hardly fair.

I (and many like me) have a lifelong affinity with working-canines....taking pride and joy in the personality, working-abilities, appearance, loyalty and companionship of what is in reality; a domesticated 'wolf' in our sitting room.
Healthy and well cared-for dogs are not malodourous....actually the ones you might have smelt, would be the poorly/improperly nourished, under-groomed and doubtlessly neglected individuals which hardly represent the canine norm.

It is a great pity your terrible experiences of dogs as a child have coloured so-badly your adult views of dogs.
I can assure you, with respect to your assertion that MANY dog owners are BAD dog owners, that you are wrong.....many of us work very hard each day to help people whom feel-negatively (as you do) about dogs see the positive.

My three Border Collie sheepdogs work (daily) on the farm and also appear as highly trained sheepdog actors in film and Tv. productions.....they are sociable, trustworthy and always under my full-control (both in public and private).

I hope one day you are able to cast off the ghosts of the past and fairly-see; dogs as the companionable, loyal, wonderful, able and enthusiastic (clean) beings they really are. :y
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: MarkG on 15 August 2008, 15:09:01
Back to the original post then folks about value of these ultrasonic scarers........

Yes they work for me most of the time. But to cover a garden properly you need more than one. I have had mine for nearly 5 years and at that time they cost about £50 each!!. You can hear them as a high pitch squeal when you walk by so they can be a bit of a nuisance. I have 4 in my garden and have to move them around regularly to keep the cats at bay. I have to change the batteries in each maybe once every 2 months. Even so, from time to time I still get the odd crap on my lawn.

What irks me is that owners of these bloody animals believe they are clean and that they bury their do-dos anyway. The truth is they never use their owner's garden or any other garden with a resident cat and they like to use the middle of the lawn and only do a quick scratch to 'bury' it. It really pisses me off.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 15 August 2008, 17:56:48
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Back to the original post then folks about value of these ultrasonic scarers........

Yes they work for me most of the time. But to cover a garden properly you need more than one. I have had mine for nearly 5 years and at that time they cost about £50 each!!. You can hear them as a high pitch squeal when you walk by so they can be a bit of a nuisance. I have 4 in my garden and have to move them around regularly to keep the cats at bay. I have to change the batteries in each maybe once every 2 months. Even so, from time to time I still get the odd crap on my lawn.

What irks me is that owners of these bloody animals believe they are clean and that they bury their do-dos anyway. The truth is they never use their owner's garden or any other garden with a resident cat and they like to use the middle of the lawn and only do a quick scratch to 'bury' it. It really pisses me off.

I bought only one last weekend & i think i need another or two, though that means me spending £60.00  >:( >:( Maybe i should give the arse over the road the bill ::)
But iv'e also bought some Get Off, THAT REALLY WORKS & my old age neighbours have also bought some too.
Many thanks to all who have recommended various solutions.
I have had cats in the past & grew up with cats & dogs, i must admit that when my Rottie was alive i never had this problem  ;D I miss her & i'm thinking of getting another  :-/
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: bappy on 15 August 2008, 22:12:40
apologies if I caused offense :s not the intention.

I still say dogs smell bad, but still like I said 80% of dog owners don't do their pets any favours and those ones are generally the ones that smell worse. Don't forget that if you live with dogs, even ones that dont smell as bad as others, you get used to the scent.


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It's narrow mindedness like you have shown that just proves society is more than happy to blame others than to take a little responsibility themselves. I presume you were totally innocent when you were bitten?
actually YES!
I was stood in the owners kitchen with the owner and my brother and we were feeding it dog treats. It DID go for me completely unprovoked. The stupid thing springboarded itself off of a kitchen cabinet launching itself straight at my face. It closed its jaws sideways around my whole head. I still have a scar (albeit a small one) so please dont trivialise my being attacked by the thing, and dont suggest that a small child can ever be to blame for the unprovoked actions of another person's pet. I am not cruel to animals.

again sorry if that comes over aggressive. I have no doubt that you are a good owner and your dogs are well behaved- I've just never met well behaved dogs apart from one (is a black and white fluffy thing a border collie? its a black and white fluffy thing anyway. I still get very nervous being in the same room even though I know logically its not a bad creature) this incidentally is the only dog I have met that is not a rescue dog. I'm sure this also has a massive impact on a dog's personality. That dog still smells bad though  :P


The fact that there are caring sensible dog owners such as yourselves doesn't change the fact that from my experience I do not like having dogs around.

I could NEVER be a dog owner. For one thing I work 45hours, have a busy weekend so could never spend enough time caring for the thing to be a 'good' owner. This would result in any dog I might own to be a badly looked after dog and therefore be everything about dogs that I dont like. regardess of the fact that I dont like them/fear them anyway.

I hope you enjoy the company that your dogs give you :) theres just no point in trying to make me like them :p :)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 15 August 2008, 22:33:14
meaouv ;D ;D
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 16 August 2008, 01:52:43
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meaouv ;D ;D
Yeah, but with a w.  :y ;D
Where is the Rotie going to crap then Waspy?
You probably have a tom trying to mark his territory, we have 2 cats, they do berry their crap, when the ground is not baked hard by the sun. But we have a male cat 2 doors up who is hard as Nails, he will stair down the dust cart and 4 bin men when they come into the close. He owns the place, so to make the point to our 2, every now and again he will crap on the lawn out the back. Little bugger. Not nice. I quite like him actually tho, hard as Nails takes no er...crap, but does not go to far, our 2 will hiss and front him, but he ignores them, and just carries on, walks strait past, usually into our house. like it or lump it.  But what to do, about the crap? I fail to see how getting a dog will mean clearing up less crap. Sorry. Less cat crap sure, but crap is crap and thats that. Honestly tho, if thats all that bothers you in life, things aint to bad.

Oh,And dogs smell, i have encountered a dog or 2 that did not make the owner, house, car smell. But only 2. As a rule,they just do...
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 16 August 2008, 10:13:21
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meaouv ;D ;D
Yeah, but with a w.  :y ;D
Where is the Rotie going to crap then Waspy?
You probably have a tom trying to mark his territory, we have 2 cats, they do berry their crap, when the ground is not baked hard by the sun. But we have a male cat 2 doors up who is hard as Nails, he will stair down the dust cart and 4 bin men when they come into the close. He owns the place, so to make the point to our 2, every now and again he will crap on the lawn out the back. Little bugger. Not nice. I quite like him actually tho, hard as Nails takes no er...crap, but does not go to far, our 2 will hiss and front him, but he ignores them, and just carries on, walks strait past, usually into our house. like it or lump it.  But what to do, about the crap? I fail to see how getting a dog will mean clearing up less crap. Sorry. Less cat crap sure, but crap is crap and thats that. Honestly tho, if thats all that bothers you in life, things aint to bad.

Oh,And dogs smell, i have encountered a dog or 2 that did not make the owner, house, car smell. But only 2. As a rule,they just do...

On a walk  ;)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 16 August 2008, 10:56:41
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meaouv ;D ;D
Yeah, but with a w.  :y ;D
Where is the Rotie going to crap then Waspy?
You probably have a tom trying to mark his territory, we have 2 cats, they do berry their crap, when the ground is not baked hard by the sun. But we have a male cat 2 doors up who is hard as Nails, he will stair down the dust cart and 4 bin men when they come into the close. He owns the place, so to make the point to our 2, every now and again he will crap on the lawn out the back. Little bugger. Not nice. I quite like him actually tho, hard as Nails takes no er...crap, but does not go to far, our 2 will hiss and front him, but he ignores them, and just carries on, walks strait past, usually into our house. like it or lump it.  But what to do, about the crap? I fail to see how getting a dog will mean clearing up less crap. Sorry. Less cat crap sure, but crap is crap and thats that. Honestly tho, if thats all that bothers you in life, things aint to bad.

Oh,And dogs smell, i have encountered a dog or 2 that did not make the owner, house, car smell. But only 2. As a rule,they just do...

On a walk  ;)

Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Debs. on 16 August 2008, 11:09:46
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Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...

....yes, I notice many other things despoiling the world too: beer/beverage cans scattered at the roadside, burger/chip wrappers, the smell of urine/vomit in multi-storey car parks, disgracefully-drunken 'yoofs' ruining many a`town`s summer evenings and general-litter seemingly everywhere: but, as it is with dog-fouling; it is a minority spoiling it for the rest of us. ;)
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 16 August 2008, 11:56:44
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Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...

....yes, I notice many other things despoiling the world too: beer/beverage cans scattered at the roadside, burger/chip wrappers, the smell of urine/vomit in multi-storey car parks, disgracefully-drunken 'yoofs' ruining many a`town`s summer evenings and general-litter seemingly everywhere: but, as it is with dog-fouling; it is a minority spoiling it for the rest of us. ;)

Your right in what you say Debs of course, but not the point i was making. That being, EVERY dog owner will take their dog for a walk rather than have it urinate in their own garden. Quite happy to inflict it on every passer by rather than have it outside their back door, but yet seemingly the first to complane when they get similar unfair treatment on their own property. Nobody wants crap on their lawn, and nobody wants a public place to be used as a public toilet. In that respect Dog owners are simply not a minority, they are ALL at it re. urinating.
Dont get me wrong, its a fact of life, thats what dogs do. I am not complaining about it in that sense, it does not bother me. I just NOTICE it, if you know what i mean. But having noticed it, i just think, how can you complane about crap on YOUR lawn one minute, and then take a dog out for a walk and let it piss in everybody elses public space the next? Wtf?

Anyway,i would be interested to know how waspy gets on with those water jet things if he gets them?
We may get some for grumpy chops over the road.
Or maybe not, she will probably moan about it making her gravel wet.(the gravel she layed, at great expense, over the grass to stop cats crapping on her lawn, the cats love it, they can bury it )
Cheers
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 16 August 2008, 12:46:21
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Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...

....yes, I notice many other things despoiling the world too: beer/beverage cans scattered at the roadside, burger/chip wrappers, the smell of urine/vomit in multi-storey car parks, disgracefully-drunken 'yoofs' ruining many a`town`s summer evenings and general-litter seemingly everywhere: but, as it is with dog-fouling; it is a minority spoiling it for the rest of us. ;)

Quite so Debs  :y Who is the dirtiest of all the animals that walk this planet. At least dogs don't dump nuclear waste, oil into the sea & the list is endless.

Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: FRE07962128 on 16 August 2008, 13:12:16
To join this interesting and at times "very lively" debate late, I would just simply state that we are all orgainic creatures of God and have equal rights to walk this planet.  As the "superior" being we also have a duty to protect all that is on the planet, something which ALL of us fail to do in our lives due to the nature of our world in 2008. ;)

Therefore we should and can do more to greatly improve the situation and it goes way beyond what cats and dogs are allowed to do, although controlling their "waste product" on the streets and in public parks is essential for the sake of human (especially childrens) health, as it was when there was open sewers in our streets! :y :y  
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Big Fra on 16 August 2008, 13:58:33
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Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...

....yes, I notice many other things despoiling the world too: beer/beverage cans scattered at the roadside, burger/chip wrappers, the smell of urine/vomit in multi-storey car parks, disgracefully-drunken 'yoofs' ruining many a`town`s summer evenings and general-litter seemingly everywhere: but, as it is with dog-fouling; it is a minority spoiling it for the rest of us. ;)

Your right in what you say Debs of course, but not the point i was making. That being, EVERY dog owner will take their dog for a walk rather than have it urinate in their own garden. Quite happy to inflict it on every passer by rather than have it outside their back door, but yet seemingly the first to complane when they get similar unfair treatment on their own property. Nobody wants crap on their lawn, and nobody wants a public place to be used as a public toilet. In that respect Dog owners are simply not a minority, they are ALL at it re. urinating.
Dont get me wrong, its a fact of life, thats what dogs do. I am not complaining about it in that sense, it does not bother me. I just NOTICE it, if you know what i mean. But having noticed it, i just think, how can you complane about crap on YOUR lawn one minute, and then take a dog out for a walk and let it piss in everybody elses public space the next? Wtf?


That being, EVERY dog owner will take their dog for a walk rather than have it urinate in their own garden

I dont mind my dogs taking care of business in my garden. I do have a problem with other owners letting their dogs in my garden. I have never met a dog owner who does not mind their own pet having a whizz on their lawn.

But having noticed it, i just think, how can you complane about crap on YOUR lawn one minute, and then take a dog out for a walk and let it piss in everybody elses public space the next? Wtf?

Crap can be toxic to humans and takes longer to dissipate via the elements. Urine is not toxic and with the first rainfall, it disappears.
Hence, more emphasis regarding removing dog mess, rather than dog pee. Let's all us dog owners follow our dogs with a little basin, so we can catch the pee and dispose of it responsibly.
Bear in mind, there are foxes and badgers and other assosciated animals whose urine is a LOT more pungent than dogs.
Your nasal receptors must be on sensory overload if you can distinguish dog pee from every other scent.

Nobody does want their garden used as a toilet, but when some little ned high on e's and tonic wine or cheap cider takes a piss against your house, fence, car, or in your garden whilst taking a short cut back home. What would you do?

Smashed bottles/broken glass cause a great deal of cost and worry to us dog owners. Do you hear us complaining about that? No would be the answer, it's just what these moronic little troglodytes do when they have drank their booze.  Dogs who take a pee against a lamp post or whizz on a public piece of grass cause absolutley NO harm to anyone, this behaviour is in their DNA and is something they have done, and will continue to do for years to come. Does smashing glass represent a fundamental part of these cretins DNA? Again, NO would be the answer.

Bear in mind they are just animals at the end of the day.
Nothing more.
So are the dogs.

I agree wholly that dog owners MUST pick up after their animals, and it IS the minority who let the side down for the more responsible owner.
The petty and narrow minded comments which are classing all dog owners the same is just infantile.
As I have said in previous posts, all the problems come from lack of knowledge.
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: waspy on 16 August 2008, 14:21:54
Just to put the record straight. When my dog was alive & i took her for a walk it was across open farm land & NOT a park or street, but on the odd occasion when i did take her in a publice place i always carried some bags. So YES I CAN complaine about cats crapping on my lawn.


Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: maria on 16 August 2008, 14:32:44
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each to there own and all that, no problem with dogs, love them in fact.  But am i missing something here, the guy is is not happy with animals crapping on his lawn, and some people are suggesting getting a dog will stop this happening...
If you want a lawn like i mine field and covered in dead white patches i would say getting a dog is an excellent idea. Nice one. Well done. :y


I have two large german shepherds whom I let take care of their business in my back garden.

No patches, no discolouration, if we are out a walk, I use crap bags if they feel the need to park their breakfast.

As long as you train your dogs properly and not to let them do whatever they want like wandering the streets in and out of peoples gardens, then you will have no issues whatsoever. Unlike a couple of my neighbours who let their dogs roam the streets and have very little control over them. I have asked them not to let their dogs into my garden because if one should stray into my dogs garden, well, their dog may not return in the same shape. Not because mine are agressive, not by any means, but dogs are terratorial and very protective.

To re-iterate a point I have made many times before, it's not the animal at fault, it's the owner.
Rant over :D


I agree totally.

the unfortunate thing is that 80% of dog owners are not like you.

I personally hate dogs with a vengeance  >:( anything over 18" high scare the cr@p out of me (I got bitten arround the face by an alsation when I was six - not a pleasant experience) and anything below 18" are generally irritating and noisy (I know thats mostly the fault of the owners but like i said, 80%...)

ALL DOGS SMELL BAD dogs make the car, the house and often the owners clothes STINK of dog. This is a bad thing :D

but back to the topic of cats defecating in the lawn :D

buy asda smartprice curry powder and sprinkle it on the flower beds every 2 weeks. (any curry powder will do, asda smartprice is just the chearest!)

you will not get cat trouble then, trust me :)


That's a load of rubbish about dogs smelling bad , my dogs don't  coat never smells and they are very clean animals , if  dogs do smell bad is that the owner don't wash them and yes they will smell and yes your house will smell of animals that's just nature and its not all that bad, and i have been bitten by a German Shepard when i was just 6 yrs old but i got over that and never let affect me, but i can see your point about not liking dogs but there need to put them down like you have.... my rant over >:(
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 16 August 2008, 15:09:57
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Just to put the record straight. When my dog was alive & i took her for a walk it was across open farm land & NOT a park or street, but on the odd occasion when i did take her in a publice place i always carried some bags. So YES I CAN complaine about cats crapping on my lawn.


Of course you can. I just think its hypocritical to then take your own pet out and let it toilet everywhere else! Do it in your own garden, then take it for a walk. And youll have piss n poo all over the place in your own garden. Great, everybody happy then?
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: Big Fra on 16 August 2008, 15:40:59
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Just to put the record straight. When my dog was alive & i took her for a walk it was across open farm land & NOT a park or street, but on the odd occasion when i did take her in a publice place i always carried some bags. So YES I CAN complaine about cats crapping on my lawn.


Of course you can. I just think its hypocritical to then take your own pet out and let it toilet everywhere else! Do it in your own garden, then take it for a walk. And youll have piss n poo all over the place in your own garden. Great, everybody happy then?

So you never take a crap or a whizz outside of your own house?  :-?
Title: Re: BLOODY CATS
Post by: feeutfo on 16 August 2008, 15:45:31
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Ar yes. The walk. Anybody been for a stroll lately? Land mines are rare these days, to right, but there is always one who does not have a pooh bag. Or just cant be 'arsed'. Anybody notice the fairly constant smell of Dog piss, esp. on a nice warm sunny day? Lovely. Still, as long as your lawns nice and clean...

....yes, I notice many other things despoiling the world too: beer/beverage cans scattered at the roadside, burger/chip wrappers, the smell of urine/vomit in multi-storey car parks, disgracefully-drunken 'yoofs' ruining many a`town`s summer evenings and general-litter seemingly everywhere: but, as it is with dog-fouling; it is a minority spoiling it for the rest of us. ;)

Your right in what you say Debs of course, but not the point i was making. That being, EVERY dog owner will take their dog for a walk rather than have it urinate in their own garden. Quite happy to inflict it on every passer by rather than have it outside their back door, but yet seemingly the first to complane when they get similar unfair treatment on their own property. Nobody wants crap on their lawn, and nobody wants a public place to be used as a public toilet. In that respect Dog owners are simply not a minority, they are ALL at it re. urinating.
Dont get me wrong, its a fact of life, thats what dogs do. I am not complaining about it in that sense, it does not bother me. I just NOTICE it, if you know what i mean. But having noticed it, i just think, how can you complane about crap on YOUR lawn one minute, and then take a dog out for a walk and let it piss in everybody elses public space the next? Wtf?


That being, EVERY dog owner will take their dog for a walk rather than have it urinate in their own garden

I dont mind my dogs taking care of business in my garden. I do have a problem with other owners letting their dogs in my garden. I have never met a dog owner who does not mind their own pet having a whizz on their lawn.

But having noticed it, i just think, how can you complane about crap on YOUR lawn one minute, and then take a dog out for a walk and let it piss in everybody elses public space the next? Wtf?

Crap can be toxic to humans and takes longer to dissipate via the elements. Urine is not toxic and with the first rainfall, it disappears.
Hence, more emphasis regarding removing dog mess, rather than dog pee. Let's all us dog owners follow our dogs with a little basin, so we can catch the pee and dispose of it responsibly.
Bear in mind, there are foxes and badgers and other assosciated animals whose urine is a LOT more pungent than dogs.
Your nasal receptors must be on sensory overload if you can distinguish dog pee from every other scent.

Nobody does want their garden used as a toilet, but when some little ned high on e's and tonic wine or cheap cider takes a piss against your house, fence, car, or in your garden whilst taking a short cut back home. What would you do?

Smashed bottles/broken glass cause a great deal of cost and worry to us dog owners. Do you hear us complaining about that? No would be the answer, it's just what these moronic little troglodytes do when they have drank their booze.  Dogs who take a pee against a lamp post or whizz on a public piece of grass cause absolutley NO harm to anyone, this behaviour is in their DNA and is something they have done, and will continue to do for years to come. Does smashing glass represent a fundamental part of these cretins DNA? Again, NO would be the answer.

Bear in mind they are just animals at the end of the day.
Nothing more.
So are the dogs.

I agree wholly that dog owners MUST pick up after their animals, and it IS the minority who let the side down for the more responsible owner.
The petty and narrow minded comments which are classing all dog owners the same is just infantile.
As I have said in previous posts, all the problems come from lack of knowledge.

Hmm-no narrow minded/petty comments in there then? But basically thats the point is it not? The whole thread is all a bit petty. Surely? One is much as bad as another, and nobody is perfect, least of all animals who dont know any differant for what ever reason.  
Now, forgetting about your dogs for a minute, do those ultra sonic things work? What do you think about the question he asked?