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Title: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: addy on 17 February 2019, 19:28:27
Can anybody tell me the torque for the gearbox pipe banjo to radiator on a 02 2.6? Also can the same O ring be used? Last question can the bagpipes including vac tank come out as one, once the two black vac pipes that goto back of engine are undone?

Thanks
Addy
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 February 2019, 20:17:51
Not listed in Haynes? Finger tight plus a half to three quarter turn :-\

Yes to bagpipes Q :y
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: addy on 17 February 2019, 21:27:47
Thank you. I have probably missed it for the torque. Is the O ring reuseable.

Addy
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Nick W on 17 February 2019, 21:32:33
Thank you. I have probably missed it for the torque. Is the O ring reuseable.



Probably, if it hasn't been done up monstrously tight in the past.


As for the bagpipes, I find it much easier and slightly quicker to fit the lower plastic plenum with the AFM to the car around the radiator hose, then fit the multi-rams and finally attach the two rubber hoses to the throttle body. A flexible driver for the Jubilee clips makes this much easier, and costing about £5 should be in your toolbox.
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: addy on 18 February 2019, 16:39:20
fitted new rad, but the O rings in the gearbox pipes to rad banjo have had it. Does anyone know the dimensions for them, or where I can get them from, need it sorted by Friday at the latest as moving from Scotland to Darlington?

Thanks
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Alnico Blue on 18 February 2019, 17:08:55
fitted new rad, but the O rings in the gearbox pipes to rad banjo have had it. Does anyone know the dimensions for them, or where I can get them from, need it sorted by Friday at the latest as moving from Scotland to Darlington?

Thanks

If you have one of the old ones  to hand  . . .take it to a local plumbing shop . .where they should have a box of O rings of all dimensions .   As I recall the ones you need are about 8mm in diameter .

Thickness & diameter can be gauged once you see what is in the tray of many sizes  ;)

Myself I would still order the correct ones from GM as a permanent fix,  as what material they are made from must be important .  Some are black , some are green & some blue I recall .

But this suggestion should get you at least a temporary fix  ;) ;)
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Nick W on 18 February 2019, 17:42:20
fitted new rad, but the O rings in the gearbox pipes to rad banjo have had it. Does anyone know the dimensions for them, or where I can get them from, need it sorted by Friday at the latest as moving from Scotland to Darlington?

Thanks


o rings or sealing washers? They're not the same!


Banjo bolts use two soft washers to seal; one under the bolt head, the other goes between the banjo and the part. They'll be either copper or aluminium, either will do in this application.
You might find a suitable size on the shelf in Halfords, but ANY motor factors or hydraulic/pneumatic/bearing/fastener supplier will have a selection and sell them for a few pence each. The last ones I 'bought' cost some chabge in their charity pot.
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Alnico Blue on 18 February 2019, 19:44:17
fitted new rad, but the O rings in the gearbox pipes to rad banjo have had it. Does anyone know the dimensions for them, or where I can get them from, need it sorted by Friday at the latest as moving from Scotland to Darlington?

Thanks


o rings or sealing washers? They're not the same!



Was thinking he meant  the two   O rings  in the alloy cooler pipe  fitting on top of the rad .

Where is the "banjo" he means then when doing a rad change  . . .mind you this is 4 pot stuff, so different tom what Im used to. :-\ :-\ :-\


Banjo bolts use two soft washers to seal; one under the bolt head, the other goes between the banjo and the part. They'll be either copper or aluminium, either will do in this application.
You might find a suitable size on the shelf in Halfords, but ANY motor factors or hydraulic/pneumatic/bearing/fastener supplier will have a selection and sell them for a few pence each. The last ones I 'bought' cost some chabge in their charity pot.
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Alnico Blue on 18 February 2019, 20:28:42
fitted new rad, but the O rings in the gearbox pipes to rad banjo have had it. Does anyone know the dimensions for them, or where I can get them from, need it sorted by Friday at the latest as moving from Scotland to Darlington?

Thanks


o rings or sealing washers? They're not the same!



Was thinking he meant  the two   O rings  in the alloy cooler pipe  fitting on top of the rad .

Where is the "banjo" he means then when doing a rad change  . . .mind you this is 4 pot stuff, so different tom what Im used to. :-\ :-\ :-\


Banjo bolts use two soft washers to seal; one under the bolt head, the other goes between the banjo and the part. They'll be either copper or aluminium, either will do in this application.
You might find a suitable size on the shelf in Halfords, but ANY motor factors or hydraulic/pneumatic/bearing/fastener supplier will have a selection and sell them for a few pence each. The last ones I 'bought' cost some chabge in their charity pot.


Where did I get that this was a 4 pot he was talking about  :-[ :-[  Too much Magners watching footie.

I am as confused as Addy is  . . . .where is the Banjo he is talking about on a V6 then ?

I am aware of 2  small o rings in the fitting where the oil cooler pipes come over the top of the rad , but cannot think where this "Banjo" is he is talking about   ??? ???
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: addy on 18 February 2019, 20:42:51
It is the 2 small o rings in the fitting where the gearbox cooler pipes come over the top of the rad, to the rad in the middle. The ones I meant are circled, the parts dept. bloke at local vauxhall called it a banjo. He said the 2 O rings are no longer available. It is a 2.6ltr

(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/rad.jpg)
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Nick W on 18 February 2019, 21:34:21
Yeah, they're O rings.  :-[


But you can buy them in exactly the same way, from the same sort of supplier as sealing washers. You'll have to seriously annoy the counter man to have to pay for two of them :)
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Alnico Blue on 19 February 2019, 04:37:32
It is the 2 small o rings in the fitting where the gearbox cooler pipes come over the top of the rad, to the rad in the middle. The ones I meant are circled, the parts dept. bloke at local vauxhall called it a banjo. He said the 2 O rings are no longer available. It is a 2.6ltr

(https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Remingtonarmy/Omega/rad.jpg)

Ah . . .VX parts dept  . . .  .that explains it      Banjo my arse  ::) ::)

As said earlier  . . .plumbing shop would be my first call . . .take one of the old ones to size up .

Glad we got you there in the end  :y :y
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: amba on 19 February 2019, 09:03:17
When I fitted my radiator last summer I had a similar issue with 1 of the black 0 rings being split.

Just put a liberal smear of black cam sealant around pipe union and refitted it.Hasnt leaked since and doudt it will until it next gets disturbed.
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: Nick W on 19 February 2019, 17:33:16
Something like THIS  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/419-Rubber-O-Ring-Oring-Seal-Plumbing-Garage-Set-Kit-32-Sizes-With-Case-419pc/122988464827?epid=1840582739&hash=item1ca2af0abb:g:fh0AAOSw2cNak547:rk:2:pf:0)is useful.
Title: Re: auto box pipes to radiator banjo torque value
Post by: addy on 19 February 2019, 18:10:57
Bought a small mixed box of them from toolstation for £2.17  Product code: 53005 Pack size: 85 Piece. There was a size that fitted, so all sorted.