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Title: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2019, 15:14:19
This post is a twofer:

1) I passed a Smart Fortwo on the M40 yesterday that had a towball on the back. Yep, a towball. Sticking pretty much out of the middle of the bumper.
I'm going to assume it's for mounting a cycle rack, because they aren't type approved to tow.


2) Any of you here with Japanese import cars? 4x4s, probably.. do you tow with them? Technically they don't have a GTW listed, so the legalities are .. well, it's probably illegal. But do you? Would you?
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 April 2019, 15:32:53
1) Yep, guessing a cyclist. Outside chance it could be a glider pilot. I've seen towballs on some pretty odd choices of vehicle for towing your aircraft around the airfield.

2) If it's an import then presumably it went through IVA rather than type approval, so the legality of otherwise of towing is an even greyer area where you'd probably get the benefit of the doubt if not being silly.

Saw quite a few teardrop caravans behind Lomaxes and other rather feeble vehicles at Stoneleigh last year. They seem to get away with it. ;D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 15:33:15
1. Why would you... Cycling is probably more comfortable  ;D

2. Do the Japanese tow much? That said, the Aussies are a big Jap market. If it's possible to buy a model specific tow bar, then presumably you can tow with it.  :-\

Surely, as long as the car is insured for towing, the trailer is compliant and your license allows it, then why not... :-\
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2019, 16:08:57
2) If it's an import then presumably it went through IVA rather than type approval, so the legality of otherwise of towing is an even greyer area where you'd probably get the benefit of the doubt if not being silly.

Saw quite a few teardrop caravans behind Lomaxes and other rather feeble vehicles at Stoneleigh last year. They seem to get away with it. ;D

There's at least one person on the Cobra forum who tows a burger van with his Cobra, too.. I was half tempted, myself. But then hotels are so much comfier.. ;D

2. Do the Japanese tow much? That said, the Aussies are a big Jap market. If it's possible to buy a model specific tow bar, then presumably you can tow with it.  :-\

Surely, as long as the car is insured for towing, the trailer is compliant and your license allows it, then why not... :-\

They don't tow. At all, apparently. That's why their VIN plates have a 'spot' for Gross Train Weight, but don't have anything stamped there (ever).

VOSA basically say "no", as do the Gubmint; I just found this - http://andrewsjapanesecars.com/japanese-import-towing-weights/


Hm.. I was tempted by an imported Subaru (either Legacy R-Spec-B or Forrester, both in specs that were never available in the UK), but if I buy a replacement estate (to replace the Skoda), it really wants to be something that can tow at least the little 500Kg trailer. Ideally a car trailer with a Cobra on it..
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 16:19:16
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2019, 16:25:04
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think I can stretch to the generation of E63 I'd like ;) the budget started off at ~£7k, although the last Forrester I looked at was £12k.. I'd rather the lower end of the two, really.
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 April 2019, 16:28:22
Used lots of cars over the years to tow with the best is the one I use at present the Hyundai Terracan, in fact it drives better with a couple of tons on the back of it, and still returns around 25mpg (solo around 30)
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 16:36:42
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think I can stretch to the generation of E63 I'd like ;) the budget started off at ~£7k, although the last Forrester I looked at was £12k.. I'd rather the lower end of the two, really.
OK, call it a compromise...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904026543314 :y
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 April 2019, 16:47:40
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think I can stretch to the generation of E63 I'd like ;) the budget started off at ~£7k, although the last Forrester I looked at was £12k.. I'd rather the lower end of the two, really.



Forester is an excellent choice we are on our second Forester first was a 1999 this is a 2005 all weather X absolutely superb car, towed with our first one all over the UK never had any problems.
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 03 April 2019, 17:12:08
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think I can stretch to the generation of E63 I'd like ;) the budget started off at ~£7k, although the last Forrester I looked at was £12k.. I'd rather the lower end of the two, really.
OK, call it a compromise...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904026543314 :y

Hmm.. can you go any newer? ;)

Tilbo - I was looking at this one: https://www.quayvehiclesolutions.com/used-cars/subaru-forester-jdm-sh5-xt-2-0l-twinscroll-turbo-manaul-cwmbran-201902154956438

I mean, I'm a boy racer at heart...
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: henryd on 03 April 2019, 17:16:06
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think any AMG merc is type approved to tow anything ???

Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 17:24:49
Oh, OK then...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903226161118

Doesn't have the memory seats, but it should pull ok :D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: TheBoy on 03 April 2019, 17:43:09
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 April 2019, 20:11:02
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
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Ours went in last year new rubber bush on steering column saw the one which came off looked perfect but it had to be changed for some reason.
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 April 2019, 20:13:58
E55/63 should do just nicely then :D

I don't think I can stretch to the generation of E63 I'd like ;) the budget started off at ~£7k, although the last Forrester I looked at was £12k.. I'd rather the lower end of the two, really.
OK, call it a compromise...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904026543314 :y

Hmm.. can you go any newer? ;)

Tilbo - I was looking at this one: https://www.quayvehiclesolutions.com/used-cars/subaru-forester-jdm-sh5-xt-2-0l-twinscroll-turbo-manaul-cwmbran-201902154956438

I mean, I'm a boy racer at heart...
. That is very nice , the interiors are nothing special but the engines are brilliant & perform extremely well
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 03 April 2019, 22:39:21
I'm not sure I could pay 5 figures for a car with that interior, fast or not....

Id probably prefer this and some winter tyres...
 ;)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903155917512?atmobcid=soc3
 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903155917512?atmobcid=soc3)
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 22:44:55
The E Class will tow more ;)

And it has a proper boot ;D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 03 April 2019, 22:58:23
All true, I was considering more in the way if driver involvement...

If it were my money, I'd have the e-class, in 350 CDI flavour.. 8)
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 April 2019, 23:17:29
All true, I was considering more in the way if driver involvement...

If it were my money, I'd have the e-class, in 350 CDI flavour.. 8)
Oddly enough, my second link ;)
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Andy B on 03 April 2019, 23:35:03
....
If it were my money, I'd have the e-class, in 350 CDI flavour.. 8)

My 'new' ML350 can move some, so the lighter, 2 wheel drive E350 must really shift
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 04 April 2019, 08:45:34

My 'new' ML350 can move some, so the lighter, 2 wheel drive E350 must really shift

What sort of mpg are you seeing? Or is it too early to tell?
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 04 April 2019, 09:29:37
5-series was quite high on the list of potentials actually - I have a (very) soft spot for Bangle-era cars (see the E64 already on the drive ;D).. and I did like Al's old Merc, but not sure I could stretch to his generation E-class.

A friend also suggested this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-R500-LPG-GAS-CONVERTED-4WHEEL-DRIVE-NOT-ML-GL-GLC-GLE-X5-Q7-X6-Q5-RANGE/283433932480

Andy, that's not your old one, is it?  ;D (I know, wrong engine..)
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Andy B on 04 April 2019, 11:11:57
....

What sort of mpg are you seeing? Or is it too early to tell?

If I drive it to work & keep a relatively light foot I see 29/30 mpg. I've not done any long distance motorway mileage yet, but when I drove back from the Peak District on A roads the other week it was showing low 30s ... not bad really  :y
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 April 2019, 11:19:51
A positive side effect of having loads of gears :y basically you can roll down the road just over idle and it still has enough torque to pull if you need it to :y
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 04 April 2019, 20:55:47
....

What sort of mpg are you seeing? Or is it too early to tell?

If I drive it to work & keep a relatively light foot I see 29/30 mpg. I've not done any long distance motorway mileage yet, but when I drove back from the Peak District on A roads the other week it was showing low 30s ... not bad really  :y

Not bad at all! Especially not for something with similar dimensions and aerodynamic capabilities as a shipping container ;D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Andy B on 04 April 2019, 22:20:54
....

What sort of mpg are you seeing? Or is it too early to tell?

If I drive it to work & keep a relatively light foot I see 29/30 mpg. I've not done any long distance motorway mileage yet, but when I drove back from the Peak District on A roads the other week it was showing low 30s ... not bad really  :y

Not bad at all! Especially not for something with similar dimensions and aerodynamic capabilities as a shipping container ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: Gaffers on 05 April 2019, 15:26:15
I only have 3.5T towing capacity on the Ranger  ::)

So longer as there is little weight in the bed of course :P
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: aaronjb on 05 April 2019, 15:32:30
I'd absolutely love another Wildtrak .. would have one in a heartbeat, but they are far outside of the price range, for now..
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: TheBoy on 05 April 2019, 17:04:57
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
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Ours went in last year new rubber bush on steering column saw the one which came off looked perfect but it had to be changed for some reason.
No, wasn't that. I seem to recall it was something that could have quite dramatic consequences (probably, hence the recall of over a million of them, but buggered if I can remember).  And the recall was only 2 or 3 months ago. Must be old age creeping in :D
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 05 April 2019, 17:18:50
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
.


Ours went in last year new rubber bush on steering column saw the one which came off looked perfect but it had to be changed for some reason.
No, wasn't that. I seem to recall it was something that could have quite dramatic consequences (probably, hence the recall of over a million of them, but buggered if I can remember).  And the recall was only 2 or 3 months ago. Must be old age creeping in :D


 
May be the newer models , don't like the new shape looks like a Peugeot.
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: TheBoy on 05 April 2019, 17:30:33
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
.


Ours went in last year new rubber bush on steering column saw the one which came off looked perfect but it had to be changed for some reason.
No, wasn't that. I seem to recall it was something that could have quite dramatic consequences (probably, hence the recall of over a million of them, but buggered if I can remember).  And the recall was only 2 or 3 months ago. Must be old age creeping in :D


 
May be the newer models , don't like the new shape looks like a Peugeot.
Could well be Tilbo, I wasn't paying much attention, as I'm not older enough for a non Impreza Subaru (and too old for an Impreza), so didn't pay a massive amount of attention.

I remember it was a lot of cars, and I think only Forresters, so must have covered a decent timespan. Unless I midunderstood/misheard, and it simply included Forresters.
Title: Re: Towing rules.. and Smart cars.
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 05 April 2019, 17:34:13
I think there is a big recall on Forresters, so look into that if you are going that way :y
.


Ours went in last year new rubber bush on steering column saw the one which came off looked perfect but it had to be changed for some reason.
No, wasn't that. I seem to recall it was something that could have quite dramatic consequences (probably, hence the recall of over a million of them, but buggered if I can remember).  And the recall was only 2 or 3 months ago. Must be old age creeping in :D
.  Spoilt the Impreza as well now horrid eurobox shape,wifey had an Impreza WRX few years back gained too many points with it 😁

 
May be the newer models , don't like the new shape looks like a Peugeot.
Could well be Tilbo, I wasn't paying much attention, as I'm not older enough for a non Impreza Subaru (and too old for an Impreza), so didn't pay a massive amount of attention.

I remember it was a lot of cars, and I think only Forresters, so must have covered a decent timespan. Unless I midunderstood/misheard, and it simply included Forresters.