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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: terry paget on 18 April 2019, 09:03:15
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Astra 1.6 H hatchback petrol manual
Reading Haynes, which is all references from section to section, l discover that changing the cam belt involves removing the lower belt cover, which in turn requires removal of the camshaft pulley. This is retained by an angle tightenend bolt, which should be replaced with new on reassembly. Is this really necessary?
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Astra 1.6 H hatchback petrol manual
Reading Haynes, which is all references from section to section, l discover that changing the cam belt involves removing the lower belt cover, which in turn requires removal of the camshaft pulley. This is retained by an angle tightenend bolt, which should be replaced with new on reassembly. Is this really necessary?
Crankshaft pulley Terry ??,a new crank pulley bolt is supplied in the kit(I did one yesterday with an Ina kit and actually two bolts are supplied but with different thread pitch)
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Astra 1.6 H hatchback petrol manual
Reading Haynes, which is all references from section to section, l discover that changing the cam belt involves removing the lower belt cover, which in turn requires removal of the camshaft pulley. This is retained by an angle tightenend bolt, which should be replaced with new on reassembly. Is this really necessary?
Crankshaft pulley Terry ??,a new crank pulley bolt is supplied in the kit(I did one yesterday with an Ina kit and actually two bolts are supplied but with different thread pitch)
er ???
crankshaft bolt will be fine re-used if not included ,bit of blue thread-lock
bolts in a kit tend to be for the deflection roller and the tension idler roller
the gates kit does come with a Crankshaft bolt AND 2 roller bolts ,if you paid the extra for Gates
so 3 bolts in the kit
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And if its one of the bolts with the concave washer, make sure its fitted the correct way or the pulley chatters and wears the woodruff key away.....then the crank sensor fault arises.....
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Thanks for advice. I bought a Dayco kit, and on inspection there are 2 pulleys each with captive bolts, and another bolt with an internal torx head, which I guess is the crankshaft pulley bolt. The torx head looks rather frail for a 95Nm plus angle tightening job, but I shall find out.
Panic early is my rule.
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Here's interesting. This car came no service record, mileage is 150,000. I thought I must change the cam belt and pulleys urgently. Setting engine to TDC, I find blue marks on the camshaft pulleys, which align with blue marks (just visible on pic) on the rear cover at TDC, just as they did on the Omega. This strongly suggests that the cam belt has been changed earlier, so next change is not due yet. Do you agree?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5kig6sdkph2w3a/DS06camMARKS.jpg?dl=1)
The crank pulley bolt has a male torx head, unlike the spare bolt in the Dayco kit. I prefer the male headed bolt!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/izcib2j1xdqs48l/DS06crankPULLEYbolt.jpg?dl=1)
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This strongly suggests that the cam belt has been changed earlier, so next change is not due yet. Do you agree? ....
Do you feel lucky ..... well! do ya? ;) ;)
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Belt appears to have been replaced ,who knows about the rollers (which if they fail, snap the belt),car dealers often just replace the belt when they sell a car ,Joe public worry about the belt, but are blissfully unaware the rollers need doing too ::)
removing the belt,you should be able to feel any play in the rollers
as your there,may as well swap it all anyway, :y
why someone bothered to mark with blue pen the tops ,when the timing marks are clearly visible (3 o'clock, 9 o'clock ) is beyond me ???
Do you feel lucky ..... well! do ya? ;) ;)
;D :D
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Hit a problem. I removed the crankshaft pulley OK, but am struggling to remove the aux belt tensioner. I have removed the aux belt, but failed to insert the locking pin. I have removed the tensioner bolt, but cannot remove the tensioner. I have replaced the tensioner bolt, but cannot push back the pulley far enough to allow insertion of the locking pin, as my lever is obstructed by the engine mounting. I know the engine mounting is to come off shortly. Is there any reason why I could not remove it next?
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15mm spanner (extended with a pipe) on the bolt that goes through the tensioner idler roller will give you the tension back to put the pin in
you will have to re-tension it anyway when you put it all back together
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15mm spanner (extended with a pipe) on the bolt that goes through the tensioner idler roller will give you the tension back to put the pin in
you will have to re-tension it anyway when you put it all back together
I compress the tensioner with a 19mm multicornered socket on the raised projection on the tensioner arm. It engages well, but working from above as I push the handle to the rear it hits the engine mounting before I have achieved full compression of the tensioner, which is presumably where the pin can be inserted.
I suspected I would have to compress it to reassemble it, as I am finding dissembling it. But why should I not remove the engine mounting next?
Haynes says 'using a Torx key or spanner (as applicable) on the pulley centre bolt, or the raised projection on the tensioner arm, turn the tensioner clockwise (1.4 litre engines) or anti-clockwise (1.6 and 1.8 engines) against the spring tension. Hold the tensioner in this position by inserting a suitable locking pin/bolt through the special hole provided (see illustrations).'
I imagined changing a cam belt on this engine would be just like changing a belt on a 2 litre Omega. I was wrong.
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why someone bothered to mark with blue pen the tops ,when the timing marks are clearly visible (3 o'clock, 9 o'clock ) is beyond me ???
Monkey see, monkey do.. "I've always done it this way. What do GM know?" ;D
As good a reason as any to pull it all off and start again, new looking belt or not!
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the procedures tend to have a logical reason behind them :y
removing the engine mount BEFORE tensioning the aux idler will mean the engine is balancing on a jack ,rocking , while you shove it back and forth ,levering ,trying to get the pin in , or, you will still have to put the tensioner in a vice to tension it to get the pin in . :-\
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the procedures tend to have a logical reason behind them :y
removing the engine mount BEFORE tensioning the aux idler will mean the engine is balancing on a jack ,rocking , while you shove it back and forth ,levering ,trying to get the pin in , or, you will still have to put the tensioner in a vice to tension it to get the pin in . :-\
Quite so. At 4am I had a better idea. Using a ratchet wrench on the socket I moved the handle part way, put a bit of wood between the pulleys, clicked ratchet back and levered spring to stop, then inserted the pin.
Everything is removed now, having a cup of coffee before removing belt. Thanks for your support.
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well done , have some cake too :y
you'll get there ;)
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Bother! They have sent the wrong kit, belt is much too long. Advert did say Astra G H 1.6 petrol; they asked for vehicle registration number, which I gave them, and appears on their record of my order. And they send the wrong kit.
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kits i linked are for astra h 1.6 16v with z16xep 103 bhp engine
and if they had your reg ,they are to blame
did you order this ?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa/s-l1600.jpg)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa)
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Bother! They have sent the wrong kit, belt is much too long. Advert did say Astra G H 1.6 petrol; they asked for vehicle registration number, which I gave them, and appears on their record of my order. And they send the wrong kit.
I've mentioned this before: buy common consumables from a local supplier that hand you them over the counter!!
And it's always worth checking the replacement part as soon as you can, whether that's holding it over the old one, or crosschecking the part numbers printed on each using the internet.
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kits i linked are for astra h 1.6 16v with z16xep 103 bhp engine
and if they had your reg ,they are to blame
did you order this ?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa/s-l1600.jpg)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa)
Can't quite make that out. Could you enlarge it a bit.
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your old Uncle Stemo , your eyesight is shot , it's quite big in the pic already ;D
the gubbins in the picture is correct for a 1.6 astra , as is my link
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Here's the kit I bought:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtmwxfbxxt1u9kw/DS06camKITbox.jpg?dl=1)
Here are the belts, the old is the inner:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vq386tw2b22do1m/DS06belts.jpg?dl=1)
Here are the idler pulleys:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zlmcrkpvnpsyzvt/DS06idlers.jpg?dl=1)
Here are the tensioner pulleys:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0wds7u09iisjtv/DS06tensionerPULLEYS.jpg?dl=1)
They are all different dimensions. The old tensioner pulley diameter is 65.92mm, new is 59.11mm Old idler pulley
61.00mm. new is 63.00mm. I tried fitting the new idler pulley, and it would not go on, it's too big. The old tensioner is an oddball, like no other tensioner I have ever seen, labelled Litens, MADE IN CANADA, and numbered 50342 and979809. Litens looks like the maker's name, the L has a longbase with 'itens' on it.
I am perplexed. What is going on? Has the cam belt kit been changed for a cheap aftermarket kit, or did GM fit this strange kit originally? If so why are there blue ink marks on the cam pulleys and the upper cover?
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Its the wrong kit Terry,pure and simple.As Nick says buy from local supplier then much easier if stuff like this happens :y
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This is the kit I bought. I see other kits say 01-05. Mine is an 06 car.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-DAYCO-TIMING-BELT-KIT-KTB361-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-G-H-MK4-MK5-1-4-1-6-1-8-16V/183758333090?epid=248979666&hash=item2ac8d9a4a2:g:rpgAAOSwevtco1KF
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Whats the writing on the old belt ?
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the kit in MY link is KTB562
the kit in your picture is ktb361
wrong part sent to you if you used my link
the kit you have is for astra G
1.6 16V, Year of Construction 02.1998 - 05.2005, 1598 ccm, 101 PS
and other cars
so the water pump will be wrong too i'd have thought
contact seller
This is the kit I bought. I see other kits say 01-05. Mine is an 06 car.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-DAYCO-TIMING-BELT-KIT-KTB361-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-G-H-MK4-MK5-1-4-1-6-1-8-16V/183758333090?epid=248979666&hash=item2ac8d9a4a2:g:rpgAAOSwevtco1KF
not my link Terry ::)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FOR-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-MK5-1-6-ENGINE-TIMING-BELT-KIT-WATER-PUMP-2004-2007-Z16XEP/173354919365?epid=249393409&hash=item285cc225c5:g:mB0AAOSwwTlbGTGa)
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in fact, not even the same seller as my link
you decided to by elsewhere ;D
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
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Whats the writing on the old belt ?
5603XS-146x24mm
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
I did a Corsa c 1.4 a couple of days ago so blinkered,that one does have pump in the T belt run :-\
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
I did a Corsa c 1.4 a couple of days ago so blinkered,that one does have pump in the T belt run :-\
corsa c 1.4 is a timing chain z14xep :-\
anyway a link for Terry
I'm a cheap-skate and will admit it by clicking INA brand £62 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Kit-530045010-INA-Set-1606314-1606355-1606356-93185849-93196786-New/232681748469?epid=249019117&hash=item362ce9b7f5:g:qBIAAOSwn91bvnOu) ;D
or a gates kit
gates K015603XS kit £78.61 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GATES-Timing-Belt-Kit-For-VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-ASTRA-ZAFIRA-OPEL-VECTRA-K015603XS/311589661825?epid=249005204&hash=)
or buy the complete Gates kit with waterpump
£86.75 Buy it now
(https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-KP15603XS-Gates-Set-71739779-1606314-1334142-WP0144/232417116962?epid=249514889&hash=item361d23c322:g:N24AAOSwqLpa3jvi)
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Gates belt kit is now £66. Did you say this kit includes th crankshaft pulley bolt?
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Gates belt kit is now £66. Did you say this kit includes th crankshaft pulley bolt?
probably ,but I can't confirm for sure :-\
because i buy with water pump kit complete
also,
you have other astra 1,6 cars , so why not just buy the complete kit including water pump ,if you don't fit the water pump to this car, it's on the shelf for one of the others and delivery is Express Delivery (Other 24 Hour Courier) with the full kit
if you opt for just the £66 gates belt with rollers says friday Economy Delivery (Hermes Tracked)
but that is your choice :y
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That's interseting
Gates belt kit is now £66. Did you say this kit includes th crankshaft pulley bolt?
probably ,but I can't confirm for sure :-\
because i buy with water pump kit complete
also,
you have other astra 1,6 cars , so why not just buy the complete kit including water pump ,if you don't fit the water pump to this car, it's on the shelf for one of the others and delivery is Express Delivery (Other 24 Hour Courier) with the full kit
if you opt for just the £66 gates belt with rollers says friday Economy Delivery (Hermes Tracked)
but that is your choice :y
That's interesting. Both the INA and the Gates say delivery Thursday or Friday, not good. I will check it out.
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Two bank holidays this weekend ::)
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Two bank holidays this weekend ::)
Yes I know. That's why I planned this job for the weekend. Now I am at a loose end, with the Astra on axle stands and with a jack under the sump, hogging the garage. Might a local factor or Europarts sell me a kit?
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Two bank holidays this weekend ::)
Yes I know. That's why I planned this job for the weekend. Now I am at a loose end, with the Astra on axle stands and with a jack under the sump, hogging the garage. Might a local factor or Europarts sell me a kit?
One would certainly hope so... Being as what they purport to do ;)
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belt kit dayco £88 at eurocarshyte minus what ever bull**** discount they have :y
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We progress. New belt and piulleys are fitted, now reassembling. I have twice failed to fit the crankshaft pulley concentric with the crankshaft. Engine runs but rattles. There is a shallowlip on the bottom pulley which sjhould locate in the ring on the crank pulley. Here is the bottom belt pulley, on the end of the crankshaft
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhk0k9f78d8xk3k/DS06bottomPULLEY.jpg?dl=1)
and here is the crankshaft pulley
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/slsy4taj3qluv2q/DS06crankshaftPULLEY.jpg?dl=1)
I wonder if the slot cut in the pulley is too narrow to accept the locating tongue. How could that be? Perhaps I have flattened it tightening the bolt earlier. Please advise.
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Is the cambelt pulley on the correct way?
Is there a washer missing from the aux pulley hub bolt?
What rattles... The aux pulley or the engine?
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if the harmonic damper (crankshaft pulley that runs the aux belt) was not in it's keyed slot when you did it up,it could well have spun ,mullered the ability for the key to locate in the damper now :-\
(looking at the center hole on the damper looks worn :o )
go check your spares car for harmonic damper and toothed crankshaft cog ? can't think what it's called :-[
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if the harmonic damper (crankshaft pulley that runs the aux belt) was not in it's keyed slot when you did it up,it could well have spun ,mullered the ability for the key to locate in the damper now :-\
(looking at the center hole on the damper looks worn :o )
go check your spares car for harmonic damper and toothed crankshaft cog ? can't think what it's called :-[
It's a dubre firkin. ;D
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
I did a Corsa c 1.4 a couple of days ago so blinkered,that one does have pump in the T belt run :-\
corsa c 1.4 is a timing chain z14xep :-\
anyway a link for Terry
I'm a cheap-skate and will admit it by clicking INA brand £62 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Kit-530045010-INA-Set-1606314-1606355-1606356-93185849-93196786-New/232681748469?epid=249019117&hash=item362ce9b7f5:g:qBIAAOSwn91bvnOu) ;D
or a gates kit
gates K015603XS kit £78.61 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GATES-Timing-Belt-Kit-For-VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-ASTRA-ZAFIRA-OPEL-VECTRA-K015603XS/311589661825?epid=249005204&hash=)
or buy the complete Gates kit with waterpump
£86.75 Buy it now
(https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-KP15603XS-Gates-Set-71739779-1606314-1334142-WP0144/232417116962?epid=249514889&hash=item361d23c322:g:N24AAOSwqLpa3jvi)
That's odd
02 corsa 1.4 was kit and pump
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
I did a Corsa c 1.4 a couple of days ago so blinkered,that one does have pump in the T belt run :-\
corsa c 1.4 is a timing chain z14xep :-\
anyway a link for Terry
I'm a cheap-skate and will admit it by clicking INA brand £62 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Kit-530045010-INA-Set-1606314-1606355-1606356-93185849-93196786-New/232681748469?epid=249019117&hash=item362ce9b7f5:g:qBIAAOSwn91bvnOu) ;D
or a gates kit
gates K015603XS kit £78.61 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GATES-Timing-Belt-Kit-For-VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-ASTRA-ZAFIRA-OPEL-VECTRA-K015603XS/311589661825?epid=249005204&hash=)
or buy the complete Gates kit with waterpump
£86.75 Buy it now
(https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-KP15603XS-Gates-Set-71739779-1606314-1334142-WP0144/232417116962?epid=249514889&hash=item361d23c322:g:N24AAOSwqLpa3jvi)
That's odd
02 corsa 1.4 was kit and pump
I'll send reg whenback at work,check for yourself but was full kit and pump
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Right. I have bought the wrong kit. Silly me. What is my best course now? Return it for a refund and buy elsewhere? Seems quickest. Or try to get my supplier to replace his rotten ktr with the right one. He did ask for car reg. no. and I gave it to him, it appears on his order acknowledgement.
the seller you brought off does not have the correct kit listed on ebay Terry
return for refund if possible
buy local or use MY links
gates kit kp15603xs is correct for z16xep https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS (https://www.gatesautocat.com/article/KP15603XS)
has a"male" torx crankshaft you wanted
if you are cheaping out and not doing the waterpump i will find another link for you
Yes please.
It's a waste of time changing any of it if you are leaving the water pump,nearly every vauxhall belt failure I've ever seen has been water pump related
the water pump runs off the aux belt on the z16xep same as an omega V6
Oops :-[, ok then :y
I did a Corsa c 1.4 a couple of days ago so blinkered,that one does have pump in the T belt run :-\
corsa c 1.4 is a timing chain z14xep :-\
anyway a link for Terry
I'm a cheap-skate and will admit it by clicking INA brand £62 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Kit-530045010-INA-Set-1606314-1606355-1606356-93185849-93196786-New/232681748469?epid=249019117&hash=item362ce9b7f5:g:qBIAAOSwn91bvnOu) ;D
or a gates kit
gates K015603XS kit £78.61 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GATES-Timing-Belt-Kit-For-VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-ASTRA-ZAFIRA-OPEL-VECTRA-K015603XS/311589661825?epid=249005204&hash=)
or buy the complete Gates kit with waterpump
£86.75 Buy it now
(https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-KP15603XS-Gates-Set-71739779-1606314-1334142-WP0144/232417116962?epid=249514889&hash=item361d23c322:g:N24AAOSwqLpa3jvi)
That's odd
02 corsa 1.4 was kit and pump
I'll send reg whenback at work,check for yourself but was full kit and pump
1.6 engine perhaps Z16SE :-\ even a 1.8 :o z18xe
corsa B had 8valve belt driven 1.4 c14se etc but corsa c is 2000-2006
or was it an astra G 1.4 16v x14xe and not a corsa
or did "someone" put a "different" engine in ,not unknown for boy racers ;D
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No Dave
Stock 1.4 with timing belt kit and water pump,bought with reg number
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No Dave
Stock 1.4 with timing belt kit and water pump,bought with reg number
is it an astra with a corsa badge on the back :D ;D
I really don't know then ???
probably more important things to worry about in the world ;D
like Terry and his astra collection :-X
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Lol,defo corsa c 1.4 but hey ho who cares
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Lol,defo corsa c 1.4 but hey ho who cares
I care. If that Dave fella is wrong, I can call him names and take the piss. Make sure you let us know, Enery. ;D
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Is the cambelt pulley on the correct way?
Is there a washer missing from the aux pulley hub bolt?
What rattles... The aux pulley or the engine?
It will only go on one way.
Thereis a thick washer.
Hard to say what rattles, but holding a spanner against the pulley that rattles.
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Lol,defo corsa c 1.4 but hey ho who cares
I care. If that Dave fella is wrong, I can call him names and take the piss. Make sure you let us know, Enery. ;D
feel free to call me names and take the p155 Uncle Stemo ::)
only had 2 corsa c in the fleet , one "went away" a few weeks ago on TBs number one internet auction site :P replaced with an astra tractor juice edition ::)
toother I took for a blast today to confirm it's good enough to MOT and then adios amigo
to be replaced with another rusty vauxhall of the 7 seat variety ;D
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Is the cambelt pulley on the correct way?
Is there a washer missing from the aux pulley hub bolt?
What rattles... The aux pulley or the engine?
It will only go on one way.
Thereis a thick washer.
Hard to say what rattles, but holding a spanner against the pulley that rattles.
Are you sure? What's presented doesn't remotely match... :-\
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Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing. Thanks to all for help.
Bristol is blessed with three Eurocarparts establishments. I wanted to get this job done and clearly I had the wrong kit.
I rang ECP Whitby Road early this morning, only to get a message 'this line is temporarily out of order'. So I rang ECP Filton. They had a cam belt kit in stock, with water pump £169.99, without WP £139.99. Didn't want to pay that, but did want to get the job done before next weekend.
I rang ECP Whitby Road again. This time they answered. I asked the price and availability of a timing belt kit for car DS06HDL, and the lad said £53.06, on the shelf. I drove straight there, made the same request, lad said 'cash or card'. 'Card', I replied. He wandered out the back, returned and tossed a box on the counter. I opened it, compared the belt with my sample, the same. So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06.
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did you remove the flywheel locking tool :-\
have you compared the " dubre firkin" ;D and damper to the ones on the spares car ?
Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing.
So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06. + the cost of the wrongly ordered belt kit
all good then :y
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You shouldn't have to modify a part that you removed in order to refit it :o
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Weird that the cam belt kit had wildly different prices at different branches of the same company. :-\
Happy days for you though Terry! :y
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You shouldn't have to modify a part that you removed in order to refit it :o
Agreed. I can only conclude that I damaged it on first reassembly.
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did you remove the flywheel locking tool :-\
have you compared the " dubre firkin" ;D and damper to the ones on the spares car ?
Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing.
So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06. + the cost of the wrongly ordered belt kit
all good then :y
I did not use the flywheel locking tool, could not see where to insert it from Haynes picture.
I did not bother to move the spare car to the garage and dismantle it.
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No Dave
Stock 1.4 with timing belt kit and water pump,bought with reg number
is it an astra with a corsa badge on the back :D ;D
I really don't know then ???
probably more important things to worry about in the world ;D
like Terry and his astra collection :-X
HW02JWG X14XE ,belt kit and pump :y
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Imagine my dismay. Having bought and sorted this car in 8 days, handed it over to Jonny on the 9th, and waved him goodbye with his wife and father-in-law last Sunday, on the Monday he rang me from Stratford-on-Avon that the car was smoking, he tried putting in more water but it came straight out of the bottom. Should he call the AA?
Yes, I said. I wondered what I had done wrong, which bolt left untightened, what ghastly error had I made.
He rang again 4 hours later. The AA man pointed out a leak in the short hose from the water pump to a T piece. He had tried taping it, but in vain. AA man assured Jonny it was not my fault, just one of things that happens occasionally.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pig934dp9mhr3il/DS06waterLEAK.jpg%5D.JPG?dl=1)
The AA recovered car and couple to me today.
Now I wonder how they assemble that hose union without hose clips, and why. Those steel bands are continuous.
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Whatever.
Bung a Jubilee clamp on it and call it done.
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HW02JWG X14XE ,belt kit and pump :y
computer says "no " ;D
The AA man pointed out a leak in the short hose from the water pump to a T piece. He had tried taping it, but in vain. AA man assured Jonny it was not my fault, just one of things that happens occasionally.
The AA recovered car and couple to me today.
Now I wonder how they assemble that hose union without hose clips, and why. Those steel bands are continuous.
I can't really see what pipe it is ,but i thought the one out of the back of the water pump was a convoluted semi rigid stainless pipe section (like tracpipe without the yellow outer) that runs over to the EGR cooler / stat housing :-\
hope it has not done any lasting damage :-\
Too late now, BUT I'd advise you (or your family ) never try pouring water in an engine until it has had chance to cool down .
rapid cooling could crack or warp castings (head,block etc)
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(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfl0zrjhi5jjgn8/DS06failed%20hose.jpg?dl=1)
This is the hose, barely a hose at all, 59mm long and 41mm id. It connects the front of the water pump to a plastic T piece, the RH larger hose going to the radiator and the narrower hose going left to the bottom of the header tank. You can see it is split. All three hoses were attached by steel bands. The connection of the hose to water pump is by sprung hose clip.
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Anything in the vicinity which might have sliced it?
The t piece is pre-assembled with traditional spring clips attaching the pipes to the rest of the plumbing ;)
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I see now :y
is the part in stock (spares car ) :-\
may need another oil change now you've had a fry up :P
I've got to do the belts on the new zafra and another astra
same z16xep engines
I'll check the hoses,though it is hard to tell ,until they leak or split :(
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Anything in the vicinity which might have sliced it?
The t piece is pre-assembled with traditional spring clips attaching the pipes to the rest of the plumbing ;)
Nothing I can think of. As you say, the spare part is the whole assembly of T piece and 3 hoses. However the AA man looked only at the local leak, not the whole assembly.
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I see now :y
is the part in stock (spares car ) :-\
may need another oil change now you've had a fry up :P
I've got to do the belts on the new zafra and another astra
same z16xep engines
I'll check the hoses,though it is hard to tell ,until they leak or split :(
Yes. In my haste and inexperience, I only used the short split section, not the 3 hose assembly, but no matter, I am learning all the time.
That donor car is proving very useful, and will do so more now that I have another 4 wheel stud Astra.
Useful not only to me, but to a neighbour. He popped his head over the fence Sunday, and enquired whether I knew where he could get a Meriva gearbox. I replied there might be one in my donor car. Apparently his son's Meriva gearbox is very noisy.
He popped round, found the g/b number, checked with his son, right part, asked me what I wanted for it. £50 I said.
Next day he turned up with a huge trolley jack, a bag of tools, and his son, and took away the gearbox in a wheelbarrow.
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did you remove the flywheel locking tool :-\
have you compared the " dubre firkin" ;D and damper to the ones on the spares car ?
Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing.
So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06. + the cost of the wrongly ordered belt kit
all good then :y
Vendor refunded cost, admitted his error
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did you remove the flywheel locking tool :-\
have you compared the " dubre firkin" ;D and damper to the ones on the spares car ?
Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing.
So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06. + the cost of the wrongly ordered belt kit
all good then :y
Vendor refunded cost, admitted his error
8)
is it all ok now after the coolant leak :-\
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did you remove the flywheel locking tool :-\
have you compared the " dubre firkin" ;D and damper to the ones on the spares car ?
Job is done, cam belt and pulleys changed, rattle cured by a little filing.
So I got a Dayco kit for £53.06. + the cost of the wrongly ordered belt kit
all good then :y
Vendor refunded cost, admitted his error
8)
is it all ok now after the coolant leak :-\
Just about,
now, thanks. Offside front tyre worn on both sides but good tread in the centre, and the brake bleed nipple offside front seized and hexagon rounded, so I need some tyres off the donor car, and the front right brake caliper; then it will be as good as new.
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Probably a good idea to check that front suspension and steering Terry while you have that car in , tyres wear un-even for a reason and steering play has been flagged on the MOT IIRC :-\
LIDL had a cheap socket set last week £8 ,2 racks of sockets plus 3 extensions
the reason I mention is because the sockets are 6 sided :) so don't round nuts off as easy , my set already saved me the time to warrant the massive investment ;D
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Probably a good idea to check that front suspension and steering Terry while you have that car in , tyres wear un-even for a reason and steering play has been flagged on the MOT IIRC :-\
LIDL had a cheap socket set last week £8 ,2 racks of sockets plus 3 extensions
the reason I mention is because the sockets are 6 sided :) so don't round nuts off as easy , my set already saved me the time to warrant the massive investment ;D
Thanks again for good advice. Good to have a friend whi has run Astras for a while!
I am always nervous applying torque to a brake nipple lest I break it off. I have now changed the brake fluid in the whole system except RH front; that can wait.
Front suspension looks all right, but MOT history suggests steering joints need replacing.
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That's going to be fun in an emergency. Not.
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Surely if the tyre is worn on the outer edges but good in the centre[and as it's only the one tyre]this is a sign that it has been run underinflated?
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that is a common cause Bazza
BUT, the steering play has been an advisory on MOT several times
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Yesterday I swopped the RH front brake calipers between red Astra and donor car, and similarly replaced the worn tyre. Today I got the car over the pit to check the steering play. Holding the track rods I can feel a clonk both sides, but observe no obvious play.
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"clonk" :(
probably either inner or outer track / tie rod ends
at about £15 the pair for either ,i'd replace all (inner and outer both sides £30 job done)
steering is pretty important
another worn tyre due to steering play would cost more :y
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"clonk" :(
probably either inner or outer track / tie rod ends
at about £15 the pair for either ,i'd replace all (inner and outer both sides £30 job done)
steering is pretty important
another worn tyre due to steering play would cost more :y
Agreed. Job looks straightforward on U-tube, less so in Haynes, his small black and white pictures are not very clear. I will do it when I can.
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(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfl0zrjhi5jjgn8/DS06failed%20hose.jpg?dl=1)
This is the hose, barely a hose at all, 59mm long and 41mm id. It connects the front of the water pump to a plastic T piece, the RH larger hose going to the radiator and the narrower hose going left to the bottom of the header tank. You can see it is split. All three hoses were attached by steel bands. The connection of the hose to water pump is by sprung hose clip.
Since April 23rd and my repair to the 3 way hose on red Astra DS06 it has given trouble free service to son Ben. This weekend daughter Catherine returned home in Omega OE03, to return to London in Astra LL08. To check out LL08 I checked all fluid levels on Thursday, before driving it on a 180 mile trip to Oxfordshire and back. Journey was trouble free, on Saturday morning I rechecked fluid levels and found coolant level was low. I could find no leak. After lunch I drove it to the shops, on return I found it was leaking coolant. On further investigation I found the same leak as above, same hose, same place.
This time I had no spare hose on my donor car, no time to buy new from Vx, so improvised with the 2" radiator end section of an Omega bottom hose.
Interesting how they both failed identically.