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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 21 August 2008, 21:55:03
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... we're just about to get 6,000 more of them ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7572259.stm
Government money well spent, for once :y
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Good news !! Far better than PCSO's ( with all due respect to them).
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PCSOs do a very worthwhile job in terms of community engagement and feeding back critical information to Safer Neighbourhood Teams, but fact remains they are still not sworn officers, so they are sometimes limited in what they can do in sticky situations.. :-/
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sisters boyfriend is a CSO and he's a great lad but he does get to eat a lot of kebabs ::)
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
PCSO's don't have powers of arrest (Apart from any person powers, eg citizens arrest, which are held by any Civillian).
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(
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PCSOs do a very worthwhile job in terms of community engagement and feeding back critical information to Safer Neighbourhood Teams, but fact remains they are still not sworn officers, so they are sometimes limited in what they can do in sticky situations.. :-/
I agree they do a worthwhile job -- within their remit. I do, however, question their operational value. A Special, with full powers and decent training is often a better liason twixt community and Police. They generally live in the communities they serve and can get better intel as the local butcher than any "accepted" PCSO, who are often just paid lip service.
I feel the money spent on PCSO's is far better utilised in recruiting Specials or Regulars who can do the full job ( sufficiently trained and resourced of course).
PCSO's are a sort of "inbetween", and could easily get out of their depth with today's "characters", who have scant respect for those who can enforce the law, let alone those who get stuck in the middle without adequate powers or training.
But -- don't mind me -- I am a moaning old git living in the 70's :D
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(
Any idea which division/INA he's based in?
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(
Any idea which division/INA he's based in?
No sorry, still lives in Hereford and works in Leominster (watch out Dan) why you wanna know hey? ::)
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(
Any idea which division/INA he's based in?
No sorry, still lives in Hereford and works in Leominster (watch out Dan) why you wanna know hey? ::)
Just so I make sure I behave myself ;)
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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
Yes - those are the "any person" powers of arrest..
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Cor blimey i cant beleive i remembered all that from memory...I must of been awake during that SIA training ;D ;D
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.... how many "average persons on the street", know what an indictable offence is ?
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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
Yes - those are the "any person" powers of arrest..
very knowledgeable on this subject aren't we? ::)
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Cor blimey i cant beleive i remembered all that from memory...I must of been awake during that SIA training ;D ;D
Nah mate -- while you were asleep they implanted it in your subconscious :o
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How many would know how to spell it...... ;D ;D ;D
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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
Yes - those are the "any person" powers of arrest..
very knowledgeable on this subject aren't we? ::)
He is, isn't he ;D
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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
Yes - those are the "any person" powers of arrest..
very knowledgeable on this subject aren't we? ::)
He is, isn't he ;D
very good ;)
;D
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I`ve got to have some basic working knowledge of the law but i`m no copper and to be honest you only arrest as last resort....We had an incident on the park 2 weeks ago when a member of sainsburys checkout staff stopped a shoplifter from exiting the store with 2 bottles of wkd and a packet of fishcakes....false arrest occured and shoplifter got away scot free....
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I`ve got to have some basic working knowledge of the law but i`m no copper and to be honest you only arrest as last resort....We had an incident on the park 2 weeks ago when a member of sainsburys checkout staff stopped a shoplifter from exiting the store with 2 bottles of wkd and a packet of fishcakes....false arrest occured and shoplifter got away scot free....
the law is an ass
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False arrest - in the sense that the arrest was unlawful?
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yeah but she will come back and she will get copped either here or the main shopping centre in town they always do....
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yeah but she will come back and she will get copped either here or the main shopping centre in town they always do....
Anymore info about specifically why the arrest was unlawful? Did Police attend?
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Yep james she did not leave the store so in effect did not commit a crime...yep we had 2 cars and a paddy wagon but when they did their checks she was not wanted for anything outstanding so they let her on her way sainsburys told her she was banned and we banned her from the park....
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Yep james she did not leave the store so in effect did not commit a crime...yep we had 2 cars and a paddy wagon but when they did their checks she was not wanted for anything outstanding so they let her on her way sainsburys told her she was banned and we banned her from the park....
I guess in theory if she didn't leave the store it's a tricky one... but the intent was still clearly there!
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Yep james she did not leave the store so in effect did not commit a crime...yep we had 2 cars and a paddy wagon but when they did their checks she was not wanted for anything outstanding so they let her on her way sainsburys told her she was banned and we banned her from the park....
I guess in theory if she didn't leave the store it's a tricky one... but the intent was still clearly there!
Yeah, but to prove the intent she has to actually leave the premises with the stolen articles.
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Yep james she did not leave the store so in effect did not commit a crime...yep we had 2 cars and a paddy wagon but when they did their checks she was not wanted for anything outstanding so they let her on her way sainsburys told her she was banned and we banned her from the park....
I guess in theory if she didn't leave the store it's a tricky one... but the intent was still clearly there!
Yeah, but to prove the intent she has to actually leave the premises with the stolen articles.
Hence why she got away...
These people always seem to get caught out in the end...
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Cor blimey i cant beleive i remembered all that from memory...I must of been awake during that SIA training ;D ;D
And im sure Bertie you would have been told the same as me...if at all possible dont ever try to arrest someone.
Trainer was ex thug police officer and told us all its a mine filed making a ccitizens arrest. ;)
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Ive got video footage of me wrestling with a shop lifter for about 10 minutes. He never made it out of the store, but the CD radio cassette he had hidden in his coat was a give away that he didn't intend to pay for it. The Police were really good, they took him away, he admitted the offence because he was a drug addict and wanted out as soon as possible.
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
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not sure I can remember what a policeman looks like.... ....don't think they have been invented in Brackley yet...
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I catch the back end of a Police car driving past about once a month. I think the local pond life has sussed that for 29 to 30 days of the month, they have free reign :(
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
Valid points for the most - but I would also add that they need to work on the retention of the ones they currently have, in terms of development, opportunities, etc.
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and.... don't get me started on the NHS :-X
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
Valid points for the most - but I would also add that they need to work on the retention of the ones they currently have, in terms of development, opportunities, etc.
Which adding more personel wont do and it shouldn't just be pay rises as the public budget cant support that. They need to be getting job satisfaction which I suspect is sadly lacking at the moment.
Fix the existing before throwing more man power at it!
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
Valid points for the most - but I would also add that they need to work on the retention of the ones they currently have, in terms of development, opportunities, etc.
Agreed.
My area recently parted company with the following.
Class one car driver
Security Escort Driver
Convoy Commander
Class one motorcyclist & instructor
Crash Investigator
ANPR Developer & Instructor
Firearms Officer & Sniper
VASCAR instructor
Tracker instructor
Tacho instructor
etcetcetc....
....ME! :(
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I didn't realise you were firearms trained too :-?
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
Valid points for the most - but I would also add that they need to work on the retention of the ones they currently have, in terms of development, opportunities, etc.
Agreed.
My area recently parted company with the following.
Class one car driver
Security Escort Driver
Convoy Commander
Class one motorcyclist & instructor
Crash Investigator
ANPR Developer & Instructor
Firearms Officer & Sniper
VASCAR instructor
Tracker instructor
Tacho instructor
etcetcetc....
....ME! :(
Do you have daughters H21 ??? If so the prospective boyfriends must have been bricking it on the first meet with dad !!!!!
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Sadly I fear its not money well spent.
I have always been of the belief that you need to address the core issues affecting productivity before ever expanding or throwing extra money at anything.
So, address the excess paper work and get the Police doing what they are best at, Policing. Then review the situation before throwing more people at it and over loading the already struggling force with new recruits.
Its a rather stupid idea
Plus, where is the cash coming from, were already spending way more than we can afford to on mega in-efficient public services (NHS is the classic example!).
Golden ruls of anything like this, you never throw extra resources at an in-efficient organisation a they will just 'consume' the extra without generating any extra output
Valid points for the most - but I would also add that they need to work on the retention of the ones they currently have, in terms of development, opportunities, etc.
Agreed.
My area recently parted company with the following.
Class one car driver
Security Escort Driver
Convoy Commander
Class one motorcyclist & instructor
Crash Investigator
ANPR Developer & Instructor
Firearms Officer & Sniper
VASCAR instructor
Tracker instructor
Tacho instructor
etcetcetc....
....ME! :(
Do you have daughters H21 ??? If so the prospective boyfriends must have been bricking it on the first meet with dad !!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Of course, it doesn't help that overseas police forces (especially Canadian ones, for some reason) see the poor working conditions, not particularly good pay and overwhelming paperwork as an opportunity to send recruiting teams here to grab those officers we have spent serious money training.
Some probationers get lured away as soon as they've finished their basic training.
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Broocie was the actual Bond that Sean Connery acted out :o
And Broocie is better lookin ;)
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James, are trying get into the Police Force? :o
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James, are trying get into the Police Force? :o
They keep asking him to accompany them to the station -- if that's what you mean ::)