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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: topdogkelv on 21 August 2008, 20:25:48
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What the hell is wrong with todays traffic cops driving home like normall when out of no where i got a skoda octavia up my ass blue lights flashing and some power tripping hitler slaming his finger at me telling me to pull over so i kindly oblige no problem here as i was well under the speed limit ( First time for everything ) my seatbelt was on so wound down the window turned the car off But this copper was out of his car as if he was doing the 100m sprint for team GB at the olympics with that hes not asking poiltely hes full on shouting at me as if hes some sgt in the Army and i would know as ive done my service " GOT YOUR LICENCE INSURANCE & MOT as hes insspecting my car as if its been involved in some murrder some where so i kindly get out of my car doccuments in hand to which hes on the radio checking my details so i had over the doccuments to which he snatches them out of my hand and reads through them to the reply of oh you had an MOT 2Days ago to which i replyed why yes at that point he sheepishly hands me back the documents amd says "oh our system showed that your MOT was expired that will be all " and got back in his car, Now god only knows how im not in the nick at the moment for assulting a police officer but i bit my lip and kept cool but was there really any need for his attitude so really what is going on with 2days traffic cops the only thing i can say is sort your fisherprice computer system out and do some real work
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musta be short on his quota!
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty!
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My point
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you handled it perfectly though
good cop or bad cop, the best possibly way to behave is politely if there's nothing at all illegal about your use of the road, you'll never have a problem
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But still is there any reason to be that aggresive the only highlight out of it is the fact i snubbed him back coz i had all my doccuments on me and the car was clean as a whistle as its lit just gone through the mot
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Technology at it's best eh!.
An ATM can show a cash withdrawel on your online banking instantly, and there are millions of transactions done daily if not hourly.
But yet the DOT cant update thier records in less than 3 weeks.
That leads me to think of how much money may be getting wasted via ANPR and other devices sending out officers or paperwork to motorists that are 100% legal.
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If you were unimpressed with his manner or behaviour, complain to the Ch Const of the relevant force area quoting shoulder number if possible, or time, date and location of stop alongwith whatever other details of the vehicle (his) you can remember.
As others have said, you spoke to ONE out of an ever decreasing number of TrafPol UK wide and, truth be told, is not representative of ALL Traffic Cops.... :y
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But still is there any reason to be that aggresive the only highlight out of it is the fact i snubbed him back coz i had all my doccuments on me and the car was clean as a whistle as its lit just gone through the mot
technology is to blame, and the cop is going purely off the information he's given. think about it, how many people must they come across who dont have all their documentation in order? it wouldnt surprise me if a cop pulled me and was slightly over-enthusiastic about getting what he thinks is a dodgy driver
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Technology at it's best eh!.
An ATM can show a cash withdrawel on your online banking instantly, and there are millions of transactions done daily if not hourly.
But yet the DOT cant update thier records in less than 3 weeks.
That leads me to think of how much money may be getting wasted via ANPR and other devices sending out officers or paperwork to motorists that are 100% legal.
Partly, though the main problem is how the information held there is interpreted by Cops at the sharp end. You quickly learn that the database is falible and so you should temper your use of the information accordingly until you get other info to substantiate the 'starter for 10....'
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at the end of the day he was just doing his job. the system told him you had no mot so he pulled you over. just a shame he had an attitude problem. obviosly didnt get lucky last nite. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Amazing you see one on mway nowdays all you ever seem to see is the wombles ,he must have just come out of services after a cup of tea :) i had a breakdown on M1in notts, last year at night when the wombles turned up to cone road of so i could get me truck repaired i asked why there was no police came out he said police dont patrol mway at night only in emergencys ,which amazed me really
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at the end of the day he was just doing his job. the system told him you had no mot so he pulled you over. just a shame he had an attitude problem.e last nitobviosly didnt get lucky . ;D ;D ;D ;D
I bet thats what rocked his boat being a man who cant go without it :y
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
I agree with you and he could of spoken to you a bit or a lot better than he did no need for that attitude
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
I learned a long long time ago that you catch more flies with honey than you do with piss and vinegar.... ;)
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
I learned a long long time ago that you catch more flies with honey than you do with piss and vinegar.... ;)
;D ;D ;D
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
Nothing wrong with manners., but the one you mention must have been suffering from PMT ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i could even understand if i was 18 in a mod saxo or something but i was in my mv6 looking like bloody new as its was just valleted
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
Nothing wrong with manners., but the one you mention must have been suffering from PMT ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe ;D ;D ;D
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
Nothing wrong with manners., but the one you mention must have been suffering from PMT ;D ;D ;D ;D
..... or just scraped up most of whats left of a 15 year old kid thats been squished by a car, much the same as the one he has stopped at the moment....
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ah i wondered what that thump was on the by pass ;D
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Politeness is the only way to deal with it... It got me off of going well over the speed limit a few years back :y :y :y
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ah i wondered what that thump was on the by pass ;D
Sorry, after too many years of clearing up blood and snot and tears, thats not even close to being almost remotely amusing, to my eye....
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oh well thats my rant over with feel so much better just thought you guys should Know so beware the traffic cops are no longger chassing kids in there saxos or corsas there taking on us now ;D ;D ;D
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my experience with traffic police has generally been good, most officers i have dealt with have been fair and polite.
The 'pretend police' on the other hand are a different story, they are a total pain in the a$$ who seem to be power crazy, don't get me wrong i know that the job they do has a value, but i just feel that they have been given something that resembles a police set up and so this has gone to their head
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oh well thats my rant over with feel so much better just thought you guys should Know so beware the traffic cops are no longger chassing kids in there saxos or corsas there taking on us now ;D ;D ;D
Kelv .. after all that has been said you are still tarring ALL TrafPol with the same brush!!!
Yes, this guy has / had a personality problem and handled you badly -- he might always be like that, in which case he WILL be pulled up sharp at some point, or he could have been having a bad, bad day himself --- despite popular opinion, they are still human beings --- and when you have held the head of a 7 year old in your hands while the fire brigade cut off the side trim of a car, going in one side of the neck and out of the other ---- believe me that IS a bad day!!!!
Yes, TrafPol have always thought they were special (sorry H21 ::) ), but there are good and bad in all walks of life.
You handled the situation well --- best way. Had you been narky back it could have got nasty, given his apparent foul mood. So, well done for that.
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Firstly, if you feel that strongly about the way this officer dealt with you, I would recommend you follow that up. Posting your opinions here won't achieve a lot - you need to complain to Avon and Somerset Constabulary (assuming you were in your own Force area at the time) using this link:
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/contact/general_enquiries/complaint_form.aspx
As Broocie has mentioned, preferably collar number, and any details about the Police car, and an exact and specific account of what happened and why you feel it was inappropriate. It's important to stick to factual information in your complaint.
Given that you were unhappy with his conduct at the time of the incident, did you ask the Police Officer for his name or any other information, or inform him you intended to complain?
If you follow the above steps, I am sure the Officer's Professional Standards Department will investigate and at minimum will speak to him about it to ascertain his version of events.
As an aside, there are a few generalised and stereotypical comments floating around in this thread which IMO are not substantiated.
To clear up any misunderstandings, the Highways agency officers are not "pretend police". Although they communicate with Trafpol and regional Police Forces, and share information, their purpose is not to "police" the roads. Their job is to ensure the traffic continues to flow smoothly, to clear any obstructions, and help motorists in trouble. They generally do a good job.
In terms of the "Police must have been getting some tea" comment -
a) Police officers are still human, they are allowed a break/cup of tea!
b) If you are this sure they don't do any work, why not request some statitics from your constabulary, under the Freedom of Information act 2000, and just see how many incidents on the road have been dealt with over a specific timeframe. Come back armed with that information, and we'll hold the debate then.
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System showed no test so you got pulled. Systems can run slow. I recently bought a car that had a private plate which the previous owner wished to retain. The car was duly reverted to it's original plate with all documents at least 7 days prior to purchase. It took another 7 days for the site i use to catch up so at least a fortnights leeway.
That said there is no excuse for bad manners or being looked down on. As a a truck driver i have to deal with security guards/forklift drivers who are a little above themselves at times & believe it or not i'm patient & polite despite what i'd like to say 'coz i want to be out soon as. Most police sec. guards FLT drivers are fine, just the odd one loves himself a little too much.
I think the air of self importance covers a wide spectrum. 99% do a good job but there's always a bad apple. ::)
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my experience with traffic police has generally been good, most officers i have dealt with have been fair and polite.
The 'pretend police' on the other hand are a different story, they are a total pain in the a$$ who seem to be power crazy, don't get me wrong i know that the job they do has a value, but i just feel that they have been given something that resembles a police set up and so this has gone to their head
By pretend police -- do you mean these Traffic Officers employed by the Highways Agency ??
The theory of their operation is a good one -- but I agree, they should have been more along the lines of the AA than the police ---- however, I fear the agenda there will be to quietly increase their duties until they are more police than traffic officer --- without the experience or training. Their selection process is run by an outside agency, more used to recruiting double glazing salesman, and they are scored on their ability to perform outdated tasks and puzzles ------ hence you get what you see on the motorways today !!!!
But, at the end of the day, they are just guys like you and I, trying to do a job as best they can, and in sometimes atrocious conditions!! THEY are not responsible for the macinations of the Government who brought them into being and dictate there every move!
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my experience with traffic police has generally been good, most officers i have dealt with have been fair and polite.
The 'pretend police' on the other hand are a different story, they are a total pain in the a$$ who seem to be power crazy, don't get me wrong i know that the job they do has a value, but i just feel that they have been given something that resembles a police set up and so this has gone to their head
By pretend police -- do you mean these Traffic Officers employed by the Highways Agency ??
The theory of their operation is a good one -- but I agree, they should have been more along the lines of the AA than the police ---- however, I fear the agenda there will be to quietly increase their duties until they are more police than traffic officer --- without the experience or training. Their selection process is run by an outside agency, more used to recruiting double glazing salesman, and they are scored on their ability to perform outdated tasks and puzzles ------ hence you get what you see on the motorways today !!!!
that's the one :y
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my experience with traffic police has generally been good, most officers i have dealt with have been fair and polite.
The 'pretend police' on the other hand are a different story, they are a total pain in the a$$ who seem to be power crazy, don't get me wrong i know that the job they do has a value, but i just feel that they have been given something that resembles a police set up and so this has gone to their head
By pretend police -- do you mean these Traffic Officers employed by the Highways Agency ??
The theory of their operation is a good one -- but I agree, they should have been more along the lines of the AA than the police ---- however, I fear the agenda there will be to quietly increase their duties until they are more police than traffic officer --- without the experience or training. Their selection process is run by an outside agency, more used to recruiting double glazing salesman, and they are scored on their ability to perform outdated tasks and puzzles ------ hence you get what you see on the motorways today !!!!
that's the one :y
As with the police, I guess, there are good and bad ----- I must admit I have seen some scary examples alongside the motorway. I must also admit, given a battenburged 4X4 I, too, would give way to temptation to feel self important :-[ :-[
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
Read my post, clearly and slowly. It's no good ranting on here, if you feel this strongly, complain to the Police Force using the methods described :y
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.
All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly. All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.
Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.
To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority. ;)
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what would be the use in all honesty it would just get pushed aside i know from previous experiance at the end of the day its just a bad day
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what would be the use in all honesty it would just get pushed aside i know from previous experiance at the end of the day its just a bad day
Look. If the cop was as much of an erse as you say then, if you do nothing more than rant here and malign others by such actions, the cop will not get brought to book. Is there something that transpired at the stop that perhaps means you are being economical with the truth and that you do not want to unfold in an official complaint?
If I get bad service from a monkey anywhere, I always complain to the organ grinder and not to the watching crowd.
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what would be the use in all honesty it would just get pushed aside i know from previous experiance at the end of the day its just a bad day
If it wasn't just a bad day and he is always that way, then his superior officers need to know ---- they can't act on what they don't get to hear about. If there are enough complaints it won't get pushed aside.
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.
All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly. All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.
Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.
To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority. ;)
Don't forget the poor recovery agents who have to assist in all the clean up... I know, I used to be one!
I can only echo H21's earlier comments... He might have seen the mess that some people make driving around, particularly in uninsured, taxed or MOT'd cars.
You acted appropriately, he was a bit arsey... No real harm done but if you feel that strongly... Complain down the correct route :y :y :y
I have a lot of respect for the services, even more so after working alongside them when recovering vehicles, and they are normally very good, and fair :y :y :y
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.
All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly. All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.
Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.
To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority. ;)
Don't forget the poor recovery agents who have to assist in all the clean up... I know, I used to be one!
I can only echo H21's earlier comments... He might have seen the mess that some people make driving around, particularly in uninsured, taxed or MOT'd cars.
You acted appropriately, he was a bit arsey... No real harm done but if you feel that strongly... Complain down the correct route :y :y :y
I have a lot of respect for the services, even more so after working alongside them when recovering vehicles, and they are normally very good, and fair :y :y :y
Everyone, including me, gets cheesed off when our normal day to day business is interupted by police stops, crazy ambo drivers and fire engines up the tail pipe ------- but we are all darned glad when they are there when we need them !!! So, minor blips are acceptable in the long run.
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
I agree Kelv is entitled to a rant ( aren't we all) --- but if no-one is to respond General Chat will become a site of single post rants --- no replies .... ergo ... no chat ... should it not then be called General Rant ??!!
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
Might be safer that way :( pssst -- do any of the Royal Family drive Omega's ::)
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
very true ;)
nothing like a bit of friendly debate just thought the man needed some backup :D
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There's no maliciousness in any of the replies mate, to be honest, my backup was in the form of telling him how he could take things further, if he felt so strongly :y
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
Might be safer that way :( pssst -- do any of the Royal Family drive Omega's ::)
not sure? but strangely as i was driving to buy my mig 4 years ago, Prince Charles was driven through Hereford in a nice Royal Protection Black MV6 going the other way...surely an omen :P
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
very true ;)
nothing like a bit of friendly debate just thought the man needed some backup :D
I don't think anyone was having a go at Topdog ..... in fact the impression I got was that all were impressed by the way he handled what he percieved to be ( for whatever reason) an *rse'ole.
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everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ::)) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? ::))
stand back....
He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.
In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..
very true ;)
nothing like a bit of friendly debate just thought the man needed some backup :D
I don't think anyone was having a go at Topdog ..... in fact the impression I got was that all were impressed by the way he handled what he percieved to be ( for whatever reason) an *rse'ole.
nothing better than being politely smug back at them, confident in the knowledge that all MOT'd & Taxed, 4 good tyres and a licence in hand ;D
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Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess
He wears a uniform that in his mind entitles him too do what ever the hell he feels like....simple as. ::)
Not tarring all coppers with the same brush...you get some good you get some bad and you occasionally get some who are actually human. ;D
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.
All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly. All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.
Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.
To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority. ;)
Understand what your saying Hotel but if you (or fellow officers) are having a bad day you can have a much greater negative impact on are lives than we would on yours. :)
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Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights
In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.
All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly. All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.
Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.
To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority. ;)
Understand what your saying Hotel but if you (or fellow officers) are having a bad day you can have a much greater negative impact on are lives than we would on yours. :)
Agreed. Thats what I already said..... :y
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At least you can be thankful that you weren't stopped in Spain!
1. The police are armed
2. they don't know the law themselves. (For example there are a lot of problems at the moment regarding UK licences endorsed with a Spanish address if driving a Spanish reg car. Loads and loads of other grey areas too)
3. They issue on the spot fines particularly if you are aggressive back.
varche
PS you have to carry proof of payment of insurance and car tax plus MOT and log book and have a valid MOT sticker in the windscreen. All fineable offences. About time the UK followed suit!
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At least you can be thankful that you weren't stopped in Spain!
1. The police are armed
2. they don't know the law themselves. (For example there are a lot of problems at the moment regarding UK licences endorsed with a Spanish address if driving a Spanish reg car. Loads and loads of other grey areas too)
3. They issue on the spot fines particularly if you are aggressive back.
varche
PS you have to carry proof of payment of insurance and car tax plus MOT and log book and have a valid MOT sticker in the windscreen. All fineable offences. About time the UK followed suit!
Hear what your saying...philippines is even worse.
They can and do just stop someone whenever they feel like it and demand a fine on the spot....never seen a slim copper yet over there. ;D
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having had plenty off expeirence of the wrong type with the old bill in europe have agree with varche the gaurdia in spain take some beating for being a little on the vague side when it comes to the laws of the eec , espacially when it comes to Tacho laws , had one pull me up outside Madrid and tried to get me to take me truck to a garage for a tacho reseal which costs a few hundred pounds, when i said to him that me truck had only just been in for a MOT in the last month he got a bit shitty, threatened me with all sorts of fines ,bet he was on a backhander from garage either his brother or something like that :)Itailian coppers well we wont even go there ;)
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A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?
And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you? I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate. I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.
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I've never carried any documentation with me. As far as I'm concerned if it needs to be seen I'm more than happy to co-operate with a 7 day wonder.
However, with talk of the Police impounding cars purely on "evidence" from the PNC (a public sector IT project, remember ::)) I'm starting to wonder. They'd impound one of my cars over my dead body.
Kevin
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A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?
And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you? I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate. I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.
No, you don't have to carry your documents with you (but have to produce them if required at the local nick). In fact, it's not a good idea to leave the docs with the vehicle -- in the event of it being stolen it will have all the paperwork too !!
More and more patrol vehicles are fitted with ANPR, which automatically locks onto and scans plates, alerting the crew to any anomolies, which they will then act upon as they see fit.
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A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?
And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you? I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate. I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.
It's not the pulling/checking of the car or carrying documents thas a problem.
The thread is about the attitude of the cop checking the details. I dont think there would be a problem from any member of the forum here getting a checkup from the Police.
How ever I would be miffed if I was pulled by a little hitler attitude type, lets face it, we give them the attitude we get warned or even nicked, they give us attitude and we are supposed to just deal with it. :-/
I often have my documents with me, dont think copies are permissable.
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on the subject of attitude i had a call from a very tearful friend today....
Driving on the M5 today, her little one has decided to unbuckle herself from the car seat, instinctively she pulls on to the hard shoulder, hazards on, she parks the car on a slight angle and gets out via the passenger side to rebuckle the little on back in.......
Within 2 minutes she is getting back in the car having strapped the little one back in she notices a 4x4 pulling up behind with its lights flashing and the roof lights going
instead of pulling off she turns the engine off and watches as someone gets out of the 4x4 walks up tot the drivers door, she winds the window down and the guys asks what she is doing, she tells him she ha just restrapped the little one in after she had undone it. the guy went mental on her, telling her she was a bad parent as she had put her daughter at risk and how she also created a risk by stopping on the hard shoulder, he told her she should have driver to either the nearest exit or services, he then went on to say that she was waisting her time and he intended reporting her to the local police and she should expect a letter from them.
She was in tears and really felt she has done something wrong, i have told her that he was out of order and she did the right thing.....that was based on common sense not legal knowledge.
does he have the right to report her?
BTW she got the reg number and location of her 'incident' i have told her to report i to the police and get her side of the story in first, she is too afraid of going to the police because of this though.
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If i understand it correctly the highways agency personnel are there to assist the public...not give out warnings...report it to the motorway cops cause they sound really childish to me...I mean what are your supposed to do?? run the risk of an accident occuring?? and what if she had of run into a copper who then spots an unrestrained child?? What a complete and utter prat...Do we not teach commonsense in this country anymore?? >:( >:(
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Anybody can report a motorist ( or anyone else for that matter) to the police --- what THEY do about it is entirely up to them. At the end of the day this Highways guy is just another motorist and it's his word against hers -- they are unlikly to take any action.
The hard shoulder is for stopping in an emergency only --- in my opinion an unrestrained child IS an emergency! She did the right thing.
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Anybody can report a motorist ( or anyone else for that matter) to the police --- what THEY do about it is entirely up to them. At the end of the day this Highways guy is just another motorist and it's his word against hers -- they are unlikly to take any action.
The hard shoulder is for stopping in an emergency only --- in my opinion an unrestrained child IS an emergency! She did the right thing.
100% agree, what if the child had fallen out of the chair.
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Anybody can report a motorist ( or anyone else for that matter) to the police --- what THEY do about it is entirely up to them. At the end of the day this Highways guy is just another motorist and it's his word against hers -- they are unlikly to take any action.
The hard shoulder is for stopping in an emergency only --- in my opinion an unrestrained child IS an emergency! She did the right thing.
100% agree, what if the child had fallen out of the chair.
Exactly! Child falls and screams, mum turns round instinctively at 70 mph ---- right up the tail pipe of the car braking in front !!!!!!
To paraphrase Bertie -- that HATO was a prat ( probably still is !!!)
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Anybody can report a motorist ( or anyone else for that matter) to the police --- what THEY do about it is entirely up to them. At the end of the day this Highways guy is just another motorist and it's his word against hers -- they are unlikly to take any action.
The hard shoulder is for stopping in an emergency only --- in my opinion an unrestrained child IS an emergency! She did the right thing.
100% agree, what if the child had fallen out of the chair.
Exactly! Child falls and screams, mum turns round instinctively at 70 mph ---- right up the tail pipe of the car braking in front !!!!!!
To paraphrase Bertie -- that HATO was a prat ( probably still is !!!)
Or she lets off the throttle for a second and theres a lorry driver reading his map/paper of cooking his breakefast right behind her. :-/
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I am worried about driving my car in the UK. Even though I have UK plates here it is technically exported as it is on the British Forces Germany database system. Its a woerd system we have out here to keep track of cars used by BFG personnel. Everytime I go through the ferry customs I get stopped and questionned until I mention that I am army then they wave me on...
...I am always in fear of the ANPR flagging me up as some terrorist without car insurance/fake plates and getting turned into swiss cheese by the ARU. I feel more at ease during a rocket attack on the base in Iraq ffs!
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I have just re read the post, I would actually report the guys for stopping and hassling the Mother of the child. As they did not stop for an Emergency. :-/
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I am worried about driving my car in the UK. Even though I have UK plates here it is technically exported as it is on the British Forces Germany database system. Its a woerd system we have out here to keep track of cars used by BFG personnel. Everytime I go through the ferry customs I get stopped and questionned until I mention that I am army then they wave me on...
...I am always in fear of the ANPR flagging me up as some terrorist without car insurance/fake plates and getting turned into swiss cheese by the ARU. I feel more at ease during a rocket attack on the base in Iraq ffs!
Pity they could do a badge/sticker that the APR/Customs could pick up on and let you go in peace.
It's the same old thing, technology is good, but the lack of handshaking netween organisations could mean that while sorting issues with you the real criminals could be going past undetected.
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I am worried about driving my car in the UK. Even though I have UK plates here it is technically exported as it is on the British Forces Germany database system. Its a woerd system we have out here to keep track of cars used by BFG personnel. Everytime I go through the ferry customs I get stopped and questionned until I mention that I am army then they wave me on...
...I am always in fear of the ANPR flagging me up as some terrorist without car insurance/fake plates and getting turned into swiss cheese by the ARU. I feel more at ease during a rocket attack on the base in Iraq ffs!
Pity they could do a badge/sticker that the APR/Customs could pick up on and let you go in peace.
It's the same old thing, technology is good, but the lack of handshaking netween organisations could mean that while sorting issues with you the real criminals could be going past undetected.
Good idea but they wont because, and get this, it would increase our security risk... ie making us more identifiable as HM forces. Hmmm let me think we have UK plates in and around towns near british bases in Germany......
....doesnt take a genius to guess we might be in the military..... >:(
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I thought that ab I wrote my post, crazy and time consuming the fact you get pulled all the time though, when all it might need is a code on a databse that helps identify cars.
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I thought that ab I wrote my post, crazy and time consuming the fact you get pulled all the time though, when all it might need is a code on a databse that helps identify cars.
I think the database is run by the DVLA but it is not linked to the UK database hence the tendious rigmerole of explaining every single time.......
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If i understand it correctly the highways agency personnel are there to assist the public...not give out warnings...report it to the motorway cops cause they sound really childish to me...I mean what are your supposed to do?? run the risk of an accident occuring?? and what if she had of run into a copper who then spots an unrestrained child?? What a complete and utter prat...Do we not teach commonsense in this country anymore?? >:( >:(
Agree totaly.....made my blood boil reading that.
If some idiot had said that too me id have been inclined too loose my temper. >:(
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Or she lets off the throttle for a second and theres a lorry driver reading his map/paper of cooking his breakefast right behind her. you dont know how close to the truth you are there skruntie , you'd be surprised howmany truckers have tellys amd laptops with dvds showing whilst driving. I have enough trouble keeping me eyes on whats going on around ,how the hell they watch telly is beyond me . in a car you cant see anything up in cab ,now you can guess why M25 has so many accidents
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Or she lets off the throttle for a second and theres a lorry driver reading his map/paper of cooking his breakefast right behind her. you dont know how close to the truth you are there skruntie , you'd be surprised howmany truckers have tellys amd laptops with dvds showing whilst driving. I have enough trouble keeping me eyes on whats going on around ,how the hell they watch telly is beyond me . in a car you cant see anything up in cab ,now you can guess why M25 has so many accidents
Watched the Police helicpter on road wars follow a foreign trucker cooking a meal. Just could not believe it, I know a load of truck drivers and they moan about the self-abusers on the motorway and I have heard some right horror stories, about truckers and cars, but that just left me gob smacked. :-/
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Or she lets off the throttle for a second and theres a lorry driver reading his map/paper of cooking his breakefast right behind her. you dont know how close to the truth you are there skruntie , you'd be surprised howmany truckers have tellys amd laptops with dvds showing whilst driving. I have enough trouble keeping me eyes on whats going on around ,how the hell they watch telly is beyond me . in a car you cant see anything up in cab ,now you can guess why M25 has so many accidents
Watched the Police helicpter on road wars follow a foreign trucker cooking a meal. Just could not believe it, I know a load of truck drivers and they moan about the self-abusers on the motorway and I have heard some right horror stories, about truckers and cars, but that just left me gob smacked. :-/
Worst lorry driver ive ever had the pleasure too spend time with used too say ""Car drivers soon move out of the way when they see the wheel nuts spinning right next too there window"".
Bloody menace on the roads he was....rear ended at least two cars i know of and both were bad accidents....get let off each time.
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The original topic of the ill mannered officer reminds me of the old joke about the husband and wife being stopped as the husband had strayed over the white line, the officer was in the process of ticking him off ( no ticket ) when the wife leaned over and thanked the officer for only giving him a verbal warning - " I thought that you were going to put points on his licence, he wouldn't have liked that and there's no reasoning with him when he's had a drink " she said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!