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Title: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2019, 11:39:58
Sing along if you know the words (https://youtu.be/GbXSZBnBOQ4)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2019, 12:07:30
Did I hear somewhere that this a British song with the words changed?
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2019, 12:16:56
Did I hear somewhere that this a British song with the words changed?
The tune was written by English composer John Stafford Smith, and the lyrics were added later by Francis Scott Key, an American  ;)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2019, 12:25:06
Did I hear somewhere that this a British song with the words changed?
The tune was written by English composer John Stafford Smith, and the lyrics were added later by Francis Scott Key, an American  ;)

We Brits like to help out the yanks when we can.......just like missing a penalty on Tuesday during the girlie 'kickabout' :)

Had we won we could have taken back the colonies. ;)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 13:01:21
Yep, 75 years since D-Day we should salute our cousins over the pond :y :y

Perhaps we should become the 51st state of America?

Now let's have a referendum on that!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;)

Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: STEMO on 04 July 2019, 14:38:32
Yankee bastards. Celebrating getting are arses unceremoniously kicked. I hope it pisses down on Trumps parade.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 14:45:48
And Trump is mounting a mass display of military power, and already getting unfavourable comments! ::) ::)

Some are bringing up those great parades of the Soviet Union, and certainly I think the message that Trump is putting across is the same as with the CCCP.

"Don't mess with us or you will get your arses kicked"!

Well, I say, why not during these difficult times across the World! ;)

If you've got it flaunt it! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: STEMO on 04 July 2019, 15:03:38
I heard it was going to be a load of ancient shermans.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 July 2019, 15:06:49
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: STEMO on 04 July 2019, 15:18:19
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2019, 15:31:05
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Mr Bitz would rather be French than American.

Loves everything France that fella. :)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 15:56:33
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2019, 16:03:54
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: STEMO on 04 July 2019, 16:31:05
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)
Bollôcks. They're colonial upstarts. The only thing we've got to thank them for is obesity.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 July 2019, 16:44:18

Bollôcks. They're colonial upstarts. The only thing we've got to thank them for is obesity.

And burgers!  :y
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Varche on 04 July 2019, 16:52:13
Ah burgers - that will be cheap hormone beef and ah chicken . That will be cheap chlorine washed chicken. The UK fast food outlets will be rubbing their hands in glee at the Brexit dividend

Cannot see why Britain would celebrate the US getting independence from the British Empire.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: aaronjb on 04 July 2019, 16:54:16
Cannot see why Britain would celebrate the US getting independence from the British Empire.

Because 330million people aren't our problem?  ;D
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 16:55:24
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 16:56:03
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)
Bollôcks. They're colonial upstarts. The only thing we've got to thank them for is obesity.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 July 2019, 17:07:02

Bollôcks. They're colonial upstarts. The only thing we've got to thank them for is obesity.

And burgers!  :y

Hmmmm......obesity and burgers. I wonder if there is a link. :)

Anyway, we don't really know how to 'do' obesity like the yanks. We just play at it. We have much to learn. :)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: STEMO on 04 July 2019, 17:07:53
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
And the Falklands, though few will admit it.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 July 2019, 17:21:33


We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
And the Falklands, though few will admit it.

Yes if Ronnie had said "No way!" to Maggie, they'd be speaking Spanish and driving on the right down there now.  ::)

Luckily the EU was embryonic in those days!  ;D
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: zirk on 04 July 2019, 17:26:11
The Yanks made one big mistake after Interdependence Day from Great Britain, they forgot to call there Language "American".  :) ;D
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 July 2019, 18:00:06
The Yanks made one big mistake after Interdependence Day from Great Britain, they forgot to call there Language "American".  :) ;D
You say that, but in fact American English is truer to Olde English than some of the grammatical abominations we use ::)

Just a shame they don't 'do' irony ;D
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 18:07:10
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
And the Falklands, though few will admit it.

Oh yes, very true :y.

A lot went on behind the scenes in the USA ;)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 July 2019, 20:23:55
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Mr Bitz would rather be French than American.

Loves everything France that fella. :)

You can go off people.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Rods2 on 04 July 2019, 23:11:57
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
And the Falklands, though few will admit it.

Oh yes, very true :y.

A lot went on behind the scenes in the USA ;)

Getting the latest version of Sidewinder AAMs made a massive difference with its much better IR sensor which resulted in a much improved launch to hit ratio for Sea Harriers. The US also supplied Stinger MANPADs which a member of the SAS used to shoot down a Pucara.

The list of Argentinian aircraft destroyed:

https://www.naval-history.net/F64-Falklands-Argentine_aircraft_lost.htm (https://www.naval-history.net/F64-Falklands-Argentine_aircraft_lost.htm)
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 July 2019, 23:25:03
Why would we be wanting to wish each other happy independence day ? We aren't Americans.  ???
Exactly. There's some on here wish they were though.

Yes, WE ARE British and proud of it!!

But, look around us, how much American culture are we now surrounded with, as I, and you, use American software with an IT system that, to me, only reflects the USA - Christ, usually there is only English - USA version available on our gadgets, with spell checker even confusing me on the correct spelling of many words!!

That is the price we have paid for the United States bailing us out just as we were about to become part of the Third Reich.  So, what would you prefer if you could adjust that bit of history - in my field it is called "counter-factual history"? :)

No, today let the Americans and the free people of Europe celebrate Independence Day, as really that is what it is for each and every one of us: freedom away from the likes of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. :) :)

No doubt at a rate of interest that  QuickQuid or Wonga would like. ::) ::) ::)

We have never been equal partners with the USA. They say jump ......we ask how high? :)

Yes, absolutely right.  As the British Empire said that to foreigners and sent in gunboats to ensure it happened, in the American century of "empire" we have had to obey them.  If WW2 didn't start to reflect that fact, the Suez Crisis of 1956 certainly confirmed it totally and utterly. :'( :'( :'( :(
And the Falklands, though few will admit it.

Oh yes, very true :y.

A lot went on behind the scenes in the USA ;)

Getting the latest version of Sidewinder AAMs made a massive difference with its much better IR sensor which resulted in a much improved launch to hit ratio for Sea Harriers. The US also supplied Stinger MANPADs which a member of the SAS used to shoot down a Pucara.

The list of Argentinian aircraft destroyed:

https://www.naval-history.net/F64-Falklands-Argentine_aircraft_lost.htm (https://www.naval-history.net/F64-Falklands-Argentine_aircraft_lost.htm)


That makes very interesting reading :y :y
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 July 2019, 00:00:55
Presumably 'killed' means body recovered and 'lost' means nothing to recover :-\
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Varche on 05 July 2019, 12:51:35
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 July 2019, 13:28:19
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 July 2019, 13:50:10
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Just thinking the same thing...  :y
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Varche on 05 July 2019, 13:54:06
We will have to compare notes in 243 years time. Do compost heaps have forums?
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 July 2019, 14:04:33
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Just thinking the same thing...  :y

Just thinking.......How long after 1776 did it take for the US to become a significant force to be reckoned with?
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 July 2019, 14:06:25
We will have to compare notes in 243 years time. Do compost heaps have forums?
Yep. We will all be dead and long forgotten in another 243 years.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Olympia5776 on 05 July 2019, 14:07:55
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Just thinking the same thing...  :y

Just thinking.......How long after 1776 did it take for the US to become a significant force to be reckoned with?

Mmmm... I say that from a UK perspective July 5 1776 .
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 July 2019, 14:34:41
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Just thinking the same thing...  :y

Just thinking.......How long after 1776 did it take for the US to become a significant force to be reckoned with?

Mmmm... I say that from a UK perspective July 5 1776 .

At this point in time the US was no more than a colonial upstart that 'got lucky'... :)

I would say about 50 years.
Title: Re: Happy Independence Day
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 July 2019, 16:17:51
Just an observation.

It was 243 year anniversary since the USA crashed out of the British Empire without a deal.

Good omen for brexit then as the USA seems to have done well.......
Just thinking the same thing...  :y

Just thinking.......How long after 1776 did it take for the US to become a significant force to be reckoned with?

Well one measure can be that by 1900, so 134 years, the American financial and industrial empire had already emerged, being the World's biggest producer of steel, at 10,000,000 tons, eclipsing both Britain, which in turn had been eclipsed by Germany, then Germany by the USA.  It was also the World's biggest agricultural power.  It was now firmly on the stage as a major World power; it had entered the American Century!

In comparison it had taken Britain 250 years from the 1550's, with it challenging the empires of both Spain and France, to become the World Empire from certainly 1800 when the Industrial Revolution had advanced her, with the help of the British military, and Royal Navy strength in particular.

As for Brexit, I really do hope we, the British, can grow our power, but it is pointless to think the awesome growth in all areas can replicate what happened to America after 1776. The size of the country, the ability to sustain a massive population, and a hunger to be a mighty country which they could attain with all the resources available to them, meant they would succeed, especially as they, dare I say, had European blood in their veins and inherited the drive to succeed and conquer from the likes of the various cultures stemming from post Roman Britain and Europe.  ;)