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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 August 2008, 17:53:51
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Amazed today, saw a brand new vehicle being put through its paces and they hadn't even bothered to paint it......it was still in grey primer!
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more details man. :) :) :)
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Nobody like to guess then.......apparantly it cost 4 million quid to build from scratch!
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Nobody like to guess then.......apparantly it cost 4 million quid to build from scratch!
Hmmm just 4 million....seb coe"s new Olympics car ?
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Amazed today, saw a brand new vehicle being put through its paces and they hadn't even bothered to paint it......it was still in grey primer!
Challenger III tank? ;D ;)
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oh come on, out with it... The new aston. There, now what was it?
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A restored project?
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A steam train of some sort? ::)
possibly http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7536023.stm
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A steam train of some sort? ::)
Lol, insider info!
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/DSC00060.jpg)
Its Tornado, an A1 steam engine built brand new and just recently moved to Loughborough (we were there for Thomas the Tank Engine!)
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looks impressive!
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For me, the impressive thing is that we still have the skills in the Uk to make one (although the boiler was actually built by the germans but, there good with all things fires ::))
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A steam train of some sort? ::)
Lol, insider info!
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/DSC00060.jpg)
Its Tornado, an A1 steam engine built brand new and just recently moved to Loughborough (we were there for Thomas the Tank Engine!)
A great sight and a fantastic achievement for all involved! :y :y 8-)
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Ah, quite moving watching a steam engine go past. Must have been quite a day.
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Ah, quite moving watching a steam engine go past. Must have been quite a day.
Littleuns love it, took our two on Thomas (at Llangollen) last week.
there is something magical about it for everyone imho.
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Today we went on (behind):
Thomas (a Jinty Tank Engine)
Diesel (a class 10 D4067 shunter)
Daisy (a 101 DMU)
Douglas (a class 8K 2-8-0 GCR Steam unit built in 1912)
Donald (a class G3 0-8-0 Steam unit famous as the one with 'Please Dont Let Me Die' on its smoke box from Barry yard)
We also saw Tornado in steam running up an down the line to get a few miles on it plus a whole host of others in the shed (which they still let you walk round!) including the mighty Boscastle!
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Who enjoyed it most then, mark? You or the kids?
Know who my money is on! ;D
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Will with Grandpa and I a close second!
I love the engineering of them!
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Will with Grandpa and I a close second!
I love the engineering of them!
thought so! :D
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Today we went on (behind):
Thomas (a Jinty Tank Engine)
Diesel (a class 10 D4067 shunter)
Daisy (a 101 DMU)
Douglas (a class 8K 2-8-0 GCR Steam unit built in 1912)
Donald (a class G3 0-8-0 Steam unit famous as the one with 'Please Dont Let Me Die' on its smoke box from Barry yard)
We also saw Tornado in steam running up an down the line to get a few miles on it plus a whole host of others in the shed (which they still let you walk round!) including the mighty Boscastle!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's a West Country - I wouldn't call them mighty - yes a Merchant Navy but a WC no - better off with a BR Class 5, Black 5 or Hall
I should have got this one as well - I have been following the project - I notice they still haven't decided on livery ;D ;D
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Today we went on (behind):
Thomas (a Jinty Tank Engine)
Diesel (a class 10 D4067 shunter)
Daisy (a 101 DMU)
Douglas (a class 8K 2-8-0 GCR Steam unit built in 1912)
Donald (a class G3 0-8-0 Steam unit famous as the one with 'Please Dont Let Me Die' on its smoke box from Barry yard)
We also saw Tornado in steam running up an down the line to get a few miles on it plus a whole host of others in the shed (which they still let you walk round!) including the mighty Boscastle!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's a West Country - I wouldn't call them mighty - yes a Merchant Navy but a WC no - better off with a BR Class 5, Black 5 or Hall
I should have got this one as well - I have been following the project - I notice they still haven't decided on livery ;D ;D
Same output as a Merchant Navy.....when the valve gear is working (BR removed it due to reliabilty issues with the actuators)!. Apparantly its being restored to as made condition with fully working valve gear (plus some additions t keep it reliable!)
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Awesome engineering. Like Mark said, it's nice to know that we still have the skills.
The Vulcan that was brought back from the dead recently is another good example.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECwLl06ik0[/media]
Wouldn't it be great to do that with Concorde one day? :) :) :)
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Today we went on (behind):
Thomas (a Jinty Tank Engine)
Diesel (a class 10 D4067 shunter)
Daisy (a 101 DMU)
Douglas (a class 8K 2-8-0 GCR Steam unit built in 1912)
Donald (a class G3 0-8-0 Steam unit famous as the one with 'Please Dont Let Me Die' on its smoke box from Barry yard)
We also saw Tornado in steam running up an down the line to get a few miles on it plus a whole host of others in the shed (which they still let you walk round!) including the mighty Boscastle!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's a West Country - I wouldn't call them mighty - yes a Merchant Navy but a WC no - better off with a BR Class 5, Black 5 or Hall
I should have got this one as well - I have been following the project - I notice they still haven't decided on livery ;D ;D
Same output as a Merchant Navy.....when the valve gear is working (BR removed it due to reliabilty issues with the actuators)!. Apparantly its being restored to as made condition with fully working valve gear (plus some additions t keep it reliable!)
The MNs were 8P and the WCs were AFAIR 6P or 7P, but were not a match for a lot of class 5s, read these for some interesting info.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280257963432
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Sadly I suspect that book will be taking the as used and modifed version with the valve gear bodged (they were classed as lower output due to this).
The valve setup was very advanced on these, way ahead of its time but, the actuator cables had to sit in a bath of oil and exit through rubber seals. As you can imagine, the seals wore very quickly due to the soot, grime and dust associated with steam locos resulting in the oil being dumped an the gear seizing up hence why they get modified to a more standard setup.
Will be interesting to see what it does in its as designed setup because the original trials should muc grater output than the mainline listings for full service had! :y
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He drove and fired both original and rebuilds - only worked well on the flat, whereas the MNs worked well anywhere.
Peter Smiths comments are very interesting, and it is good to see how well the BR standards were liked, and also his comments on Halls was good.
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The Bulleid pacifics were built with chain driven poppet valve gear and were rebuilt with Walcherts gear by BR
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A steam train of some sort? ::)
Lol, insider info!
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/DSC00060.jpg)
Its Tornado, an A1 steam engine built brand new and just recently moved to Loughborough (we were there for Thomas the Tank Engine!)
DTM jnr did not want to go, but had to just so Mr DTM could go see Thomas ;D
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Sadly I suspect that book will be taking the as used and modifed version with the valve gear bodged (they were classed as lower output due to this).
The valve setup was very advanced on these, way ahead of its time but, the actuator cables had to sit in a bath of oil and exit through rubber seals. As you can imagine, the seals wore very quickly due to the soot, grime and dust associated with steam locos resulting in the oil being dumped an the gear seizing up hence why they get modified to a more standard setup.
Will be interesting to see what it does in its as designed setup because the original trials should muc grater output than the mainline listings for full service had! :y
Indeed, and they often caught alight, along with the chain drive slipping and causing the valve gear to go out of synch. with the pistons (just as on a car) causing the engine to falter or to come completely to a stand. :'( :'(
As you rightly state the rebuilds, the first of which was Merchant Navy 35018 "British India Line" in February 1956, followed by the West Country's and Battle of Britain Classes, included the installation of three sets of Walschaerts valve gear for it's three cylinders. Along with multi-jet chimneys, outside blast pipes, new superheaters, and other advances in steam locomotive technology, these rebuilds were a great adance on the original "Spam Cans". As Martin correctly states the MN were rated at 8P, whilst the WC / BB were 7P5F even though their boiler pressures had been reduced from 280 psi to 250 psi, and these British Railways developed engines, although "light footed" were wonderful locomotives and are still valued by steam preservationist and their crews today. Indeed they are good "free steamers" and providing you, as a firewoman/man, keep the back corners of the grate well filled, but with a 'little and often' technique (true of many engines), and a good covering over the rest of the grate, they will provide enough steam for whatever the drivers needs.
Unfortunately all this development, along with associated ones, came too late to save railway steam locomotive traction, and further development of these great machines came to an end, with 9F 92220 "Evening Star" the last British built standard railway engine, constructed for British Railways, emerging from Swindon (ex-GWR) Works in March 1960. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ..........until now with Peppercorn 'A1' 60163 "Tornado"!! :y :y :y 8-)
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I have to say that Tornade makes a quite incredible sound when sat idling.....its almost like the flew is fan assisted.
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I have to say that Tornade makes a quite incredible sound when sat idling.....its almost like the flew is fan assisted.
Although it is not 'fan' assisted, the blower was probably engaged to increase the draught of the fire when the engine was stationary, which makes that lovely sound, along with possibly the steam powered electric generator which (I think) this engine would be fitted with. ;)