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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 20 September 2019, 13:08:27
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Lots of pre-pubescent outrage around the world. A McDonalds happy meal should keep most of them onside.
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I'm told there is no Planet B.
At your age this will probably be irrelevant. :)
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I'm told there is no Planet B.
At your age this will probably be irrelevant. :)
Yes, I've raped the planet and I'll die before the full consequences are felt. What a bastard. ;D
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I'm told there is no Planet B.
At your age this will probably be irrelevant. :)
what if this IS planet B?
and Mars was planet A?
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Another good reason to leave the EU
once the rest of the UK leave ,we can get back to proper British weather , 2 days of sun,2 weeks of snow and the rest of the year cloudy rain n drizzle :) and not have to worry about Johnny foreigner's weather (which will be stopped at the border )
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Ah but is that a hard border or a soft one?
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Ah but is that a hard border or a soft one?
a climate change/weather proof one :P
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
I don't remember, bet you do.
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
I don't remember, bet you do.
I bet old Lizzie will know without looking it up. :)
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
About 400 years ago I think? :)
So not that long ago in climate terms and proves that our industrialised world has heated up the planet in a very short time! :o :o :o
Panic!! ::)
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
I don't remember, bet you do.
I bet old Lizzie will know without looking it up. :)
Yes, a well known fact that the Thames often froze over from the 17th century, through to the 19th. In fact it was in 1814 that the river froze over enough for a Thames Fair,for the last time, during a "mini ice age", but it the last time in that century that it just froze was in 1895. However, an often forgotten fact is that the Thames actually froze over during the bitter winter of 1962-3, but to my knowledge no fair was held as the freezing did not last long enough, unlike in previous centuries.
If I remember correctly the Thames Fair featured in an episode of, I think Dr Who, if not that programme, in another sci-fi.
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I thought that long hot sunny summers were a very British thing and were normal before we joined the EU? :y
The bastards not only took our money and most of our manufacturing, but it seems they took our nice British weather as well! >:(
Well I want it back! :) So I'll email Boris to make sure it's in his 'deal'! :y
mention my name ;)
as for pre EU weather, I can't remember, I was less than 3 years old ;D :D
though I definitely remember thinking joining was a bad idea :P
I'm too young as well Dave, but for as long as I can remember older people have gone round saying "We don't get summers like we used too!" ::)
So it has to be the EU's fault! >:( :D ;D
We don't get winters like we used to, either, thank god.
When was the last frost fair/fayre on the Thames?
I don't remember, bet you do.
I bet old Lizzie will know without looking it up. :)
Yes, a well known fact that the Thames often froze over from the 17th century, through to the 19th. In fact it was in 1814 that the river froze over enough for a Thames Fair,for the last time, at the end of a "mini ice age", but it the last time in that century that it just froze was in 1895. However, an often forgotten fact is that the Thames actually froze over during the bitter winter of 1962-3, but to my knowledge no fair was held as the freezing did not last long enough, unlike in previous centuries.
If I remember correctly the Thames Fair featured in an episode of, I think Dr Who, if not that programme, in another sci-fi.
I thought you'd know, smartarse........ ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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The world is still about 2oC cooler than the global average for the last 1 billion years, found through the analysis of sedimentary rock cores, & more recent values also from ice cores & tree ring samples, where we are still recovering from the last ice age in this current interglacial period where the polar ice caps formed a mere 33 million years a go.
140 million years a go during the most fertile era on this planet in terms of the explosion in the number and varieties of plant & animal life, CO2 was 3000 ppm. CO2 has gradually dropped since then from the locking of carbon in the formation of fossil fuels. Cellulite (wood) plants evolved about 140 million years a go & when the trees died there were no wood eating bugs, funguses or bacteria around to break them down (as there are now) which as they were buried under layers of rock through heat and pressure created coal seems. Sea custrations evolved to have a carbon based hard shell armour and depending upon conditions these locked up carbon as they died & decomposed to form oil & gas or just their hard shells survived to form calcium-carbonate or chalk.
With CO2 continually dropping over that last 140 million years we were about 2 million years from an ice age CO2 low point of it dropping below 120ppm (in the last ice age it dropped to 150ppm) so 85% species of C3 plants die out & planet B Earth so it then looks like planet A Mars. The other 15% are C4 plants that can survive with much lower CO2 levels but their photosynthesis requires much higher energy levels so they are limited to equatorial plants. The good news was humans by burning CO2 & raising CO2 are actually saving the planet until the politicians & anti-Westerners realised that Western civilization is build on a plentiful supply of cheap energy & those who control the energy supplies (politicians & governments, rather than the people through their businesses) control the people with their imaginary bogeyman clear, tasteless, inert, CO2 which is vital for plant life & our entire planet B Earth eco-system.
Stalin told us if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it & virtually everybody in the Western world believe, including most on here, that rising CO2 levels are a problem & to be 'good' citizens we all need to work to reduce them. Religions, Communist & NAZIS et al all knew that if you want to brainwash a population, you start with the easily influenced & converted, the children, hence the children's globally coordinated school strikes today.
None of this is going to end well for the planet or Western societies.
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Blah, blah, blah...... ::)
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I remember the days when I was young and idealistic and out to save the world...
...Then I discovered what fun it was to burn gratuitous quantities of petrol. :D
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The young are supposed to be rebellious and anti establishment, and here they are supporting the EU which is the biggest establishment of them all and the climate scam! :o
Pussies! The lot of them! ;D
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The young are supposed to be rebellious and anti establishment, and here they are supporting the EU which is the biggest establishment of them all and the climate scam! :o
Pussies! The lot of them! ;D
Stupidity knows no bounds :D
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how many teachers and kids would turn out on a saturday?
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The world is still about 2oC cooler than the global average for the last 1 billion years, found through the analysis of sedimentary rock cores, & more recent values also from ice cores & tree ring samples, where we are still recovering from the last ice age in this current interglacial period where the polar ice caps formed a mere 33 million years a go.
140 million years a go during the most fertile era on this planet in terms of the explosion in the number and varieties of plant & animal life, CO2 was 3000 ppm. CO2 has gradually dropped since then from the locking of carbon in the formation of fossil fuels. Cellulite (wood) plants evolved about 140 million years a go & when the trees died there were no wood eating bugs, funguses or bacteria around to break them down (as there are now) which as they were buried under layers of rock through heat and pressure created coal seems. Sea custrations evolved to have a carbon based hard shell armour and depending upon conditions these locked up carbon as they died & decomposed to form oil & gas or just their hard shells survived to form calcium-carbonate or chalk.
With CO2 continually dropping over that last 140 million years we were about 2 million years from an ice age CO2 low point of it dropping below 120ppm (in the last ice age it dropped to 150ppm) so 85% species of C3 plants die out & planet B Earth so it then looks like planet A Mars. The other 15% are C4 plants that can survive with much lower CO2 levels but their photosynthesis requires much higher energy levels so they are limited to equatorial plants. The good news was humans by burning CO2 & raising CO2 are actually saving the planet until the politicians & anti-Westerners realised that Western civilization is build on a plentiful supply of cheap energy & those who control the energy supplies (politicians & governments, rather than the people through their businesses) control the people with their imaginary bogeyman clear, tasteless, inert, CO2 which is vital for plant life & our entire planet B Earth eco-system.
Stalin told us if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it & virtually everybody in the Western world believe, including most on here, that rising CO2 levels are a problem & to be 'good' citizens we all need to work to reduce them. Religions, Communist & NAZIS et al all knew that if you want to brainwash a population, you start with the easily influenced & converted, the children, hence the children's globally coordinated school strikes today.
None of this is going to end well for the planet or Western societies.
I’m with this^^^^ :y
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Any excuse for an inset day ::)
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The world is still about 2oC cooler than the global average for the last 1 billion years, found through the analysis of sedimentary rock cores, & more recent values also from ice cores & tree ring samples, where we are still recovering from the last ice age in this current interglacial period where the polar ice caps formed a mere 33 million years a go.
140 million years a go during the most fertile era on this planet in terms of the explosion in the number and varieties of plant & animal life, CO2 was 3000 ppm. CO2 has gradually dropped since then from the locking of carbon in the formation of fossil fuels. Cellulite (wood) plants evolved about 140 million years a go & when the trees died there were no wood eating bugs, funguses or bacteria around to break them down (as there are now) which as they were buried under layers of rock through heat and pressure created coal seems. Sea custrations evolved to have a carbon based hard shell armour and depending upon conditions these locked up carbon as they died & decomposed to form oil & gas or just their hard shells survived to form calcium-carbonate or chalk.
With CO2 continually dropping over that last 140 million years we were about 2 million years from an ice age CO2 low point of it dropping below 120ppm (in the last ice age it dropped to 150ppm) so 85% species of C3 plants die out & planet B Earth so it then looks like planet A Mars. The other 15% are C4 plants that can survive with much lower CO2 levels but their photosynthesis requires much higher energy levels so they are limited to equatorial plants. The good news was humans by burning CO2 & raising CO2 are actually saving the planet until the politicians & anti-Westerners realised that Western civilization is build on a plentiful supply of cheap energy & those who control the energy supplies (politicians & governments, rather than the people through their businesses) control the people with their imaginary bogeyman clear, tasteless, inert, CO2 which is vital for plant life & our entire planet B Earth eco-system.
Stalin told us if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it & virtually everybody in the Western world believe, including most on here, that rising CO2 levels are a problem & to be 'good' citizens we all need to work to reduce them. Religions, Communist & NAZIS et al all knew that if you want to brainwash a population, you start with the easily influenced & converted, the children, hence the children's globally coordinated school strikes today.
None of this is going to end well for the planet or Western societies.
I have been saying just that for many years, Rods2 - and on here too! Vested interests and all governments' not-so-hidden agendas create these lies and then try to make us feel guilty enough to accept punitive taxation to assuege that guilt. >:(
Ron.
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Blah, blah, blah...... ::)
Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
As for children being used to promote the cause, as they can be "easily influenced and converted" as "Religion, Communists, and Nazis" did to "brainwashed a population", that is just not true. In fact it is plain rubbish, as adults have driven each of those causes, not babes in arms. That statement frankly is just trying to belittle us that have the intelligence, and have indendant thought, to understand what is happening and really care about it, trying to do what we can to do what we know is right! ::) ::)
But, hey ho......... ::) ::) ::) :-X
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
It's a simple question that deserves a simple concise answer! ::) :D
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
It's a simple question that deserves a simple concise answer! ::) :D
No doubt I shall awake to the booklet tomorrow. ;D
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Everything on tinterweb is true...
Even Abe Lincoln said so... On his twitter feed :D
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
It's a simple question that deserves a simple concise answer! ::) :D
It does :y
The simple answer is not just one, but dozens that have been compliled across the globe by established and very respected scientists in this field who have convinced with facts the majority of governments, United Nations, and NGO's, that we are in trouble and action has to be taken now.
That is good enough for me as who am I to argue against that weight of concensus? What is the problem anyway with doing that, when around us is the evidence of environmental 'pressures' and distress on this Planet? Why not work to reduce pollution, waste, and general environmental distruction that is damaging our children, grand children, and every adult lives, often very silently and not obviously?
Why not go on from the basic controls on pollution that this country did with the Clean Air Act 1956 which rid us of the smogs of the 1950's, and be part of the clean up of the World's environment caused by our industrial past, along with current pollution caused by plastics, chemicals, and emissions from many sources? What is the problem in pushing the likes of the USA (Trump!) and China to clean up their acts, and for instance shame the latter into ceasing the building of more coal fired power stations? What is the problem in going for newer, electric, or hydrogen cell forms of transport and rid ourselves of our vehicles that have been proved to be polluting the air in cities that in the mildest form children are having breathing ailments in growing numbers, and at worst, 1950's style London smogs as seen in China? Why argue against clearing the World's seas of at least some of our waste plastic, and the dumping of the West's waste on third World countries?
If you or anyone else think I am going to cut and paste endless reports backing the need for action, and citing endless examples of what is happening out in the big wide world, as somebody else continues to do on this forum, with pages of text, with 'conspiracies' being suggested to back up their argument, you must be joking!
But, the bottom line is why worry about cleaning up our act? What is wrong in doing what we know, in (most of ) our brains and hearts is the right thing? Do we as people really think the dumping of waste where ever we like is fine, or tipping pollutants into the air or our waters, is OK?
What harm can come out of doing that right thing? What are some worried about? Or is it they just like to argue against wiser scientists and international bodies to look good, and again enjoy a good 'conspiracy' theory on their cut and paste contributions online for political reasons? ::) ::) :-X :-X
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The education "professionals" who encourage / permit / allow these children to go on srtrike from their schools should all be dismissed from their jobs and banned from the profession for life. Its beyond outrageous that they are as childish and immature as the children they teach.
The worst aspect is that children aren't taught how to think any more. They are taught what to think.
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Yes Albs, and there is a massive difference between "how to" and "what to" think.
Ron.
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The education "professionals" who encourage / permit / allow these children to go on srtrike from their schools should all be dismissed from their jobs and banned from the profession for life. Its beyond outrageous that they are as childish and immature as the children they teach.
The worst aspect is that children aren't taught how to think any more. They are taught what to think.
You think?
During my school years everything was about conformity, and how you had to fit in to society and think within the box.Then during the second half of the sixties, as an impressionable young teenager there were at least three teachers that taught our classes who made very clear what we should think in political terms, both from the hard left through to the hard right of the spectrum. Our individual views though, according to them, did not exist!
At home conformity was the rule, being in a Royal Navy family, although my dear dad was pushing the boundaries towards the communist point of view which, I was reliably told by a close friend and naval colleague of his, led to men in "dark suits" watching him!! At home my parents reinforced their political and general views on us. That seemed to be very typical of parents of the era. How we must think, not learning how to think came first, with the latter second.
It was only from the very late sixties and then seventies that a more liberal way of thinking came generally into being. The kids of today are far more open minded, especially with the internet and media now around, than we ever were in "conformist" Britain. In fact they are far more argumentative and combatant in approach than we were allowed to be, which in other threads would attract much criticism for those children "not just doing what they are told to do" with the punishments of the past being threatened and suggested!
So, make up your minds and think twice about criticising the majority of the great kids around today, having to mature far earlier and becoming "worldly" before their time ::) ::) ;)
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The head of economics at my school was sickeningly pro EU, which had an impact across the school in terms of projects and trips.
This is probably the single biggest reason that I am so anti EU because I simply refuse to be coerced into a particular mindset.
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Good for you, DG. I was lucky; the masters at my school absolutely refused to give a political opinion, for fear of influencing our young minds. :y
Ron.
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Good for you, DG. I was lucky; the masters at my school absolutely refused to give a political opinion, for fear of influencing our young minds. :y
Ron.
The headmaster at my school said that Harold Wilson was a communist spy during assembly one morning. He also said we were lucky that no 'coloured children' were at the school.
Nice chap called Mr York. Caned me more times than I can remember. :)
Those were the days. ;)
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
It's a simple question that deserves a simple concise answer! ::) :D
It does :y
The simple answer is not just one, but dozens that have been compliled across the globe by established and very respected scientists in this field who have convinced with facts the majority of governments, United Nations, and NGO's, that we are in trouble and action has to be taken now.
That is good enough for me as who am I to argue against that weight of concensus? What is the problem anyway with doing that, when around us is the evidence of environmental 'pressures' and distress on this Planet? Why not work to reduce pollution, waste, and general environmental distruction that is damaging our children, grand children, and every adult lives, often very silently and not obviously?
Why not go on from the basic controls on pollution that this country did with the Clean Air Act 1956 which rid us of the smogs of the 1950's, and be part of the clean up of the World's environment caused by our industrial past, along with current pollution caused by plastics, chemicals, and emissions from many sources? What is the problem in pushing the likes of the USA (Trump!) and China to clean up their acts, and for instance shame the latter into ceasing the building of more coal fired power stations? What is the problem in going for newer, electric, or hydrogen cell forms of transport and rid ourselves of our vehicles that have been proved to be polluting the air in cities that in the mildest form children are having breathing ailments in growing numbers, and at worst, 1950's style London smogs as seen in China? Why argue against clearing the World's seas of at least some of our waste plastic, and the dumping of the West's waste on third World countries?
If you or anyone else think I am going to cut and paste endless reports backing the need for action, and citing endless examples of what is happening out in the big wide world, as somebody else continues to do on this forum, with pages of text, with 'conspiracies' being suggested to back up their argument, you must be joking!
But, the bottom line is why worry about cleaning up our act? What is wrong in doing what we know, in (most of ) our brains and hearts is the right thing? Do we as people really think the dumping of waste where ever we like is fine, or tipping pollutants into the air or our waters, is OK?
What harm can come out of doing that right thing? What are some worried about? Or is it they just like to argue against wiser scientists and international bodies to look good, and again enjoy a good 'conspiracy' theory on their cut and paste contributions online for political reasons? ::) ::) :-X :-X
You miss the point Lizzie! ::)
You are completely right that we should stop polluting and contaminating our planet in so many ways and you won't find an argument from me about that! :y
My query though is to the extent that our activities affect the climate and I'm sceptical about that. :P
People say the science is irrefutable, but they are just believing without question what they are being told by their governments and international NGO's, in the same way people used to believe whatever their local vicar/priest used to tell them without question.... ;)
I come from an area where the ground is full of fossils of animals that lived in a tropical climate. In medieval times, vine yards were common in southern England and as mentioned earlier there was a mini ice age 300-400 years ago which in geological terms and the grand scheme of things we are still coming out of. :)
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Yes indeed, some are just not looking around, using their eyes and ears, and watching what is actually happening around this planet we rely on. Instead they spend time just reading non-mainstream, "reports" that completely ignore what the real environmental scientist and other specialists in that areana, from around the World, are stating backed up by their factual reports.
How do you know they are factual? ???
Did you really just ask that? You'll be sorry ;D
It's a simple question that deserves a simple concise answer! ::) :D
It does :y
The simple answer is not just one, but dozens that have been compliled across the globe by established and very respected scientists in this field who have convinced with facts the majority of governments, United Nations, and NGO's, that we are in trouble and action has to be taken now.
That is good enough for me as who am I to argue against that weight of concensus? What is the problem anyway with doing that, when around us is the evidence of environmental 'pressures' and distress on this Planet? Why not work to reduce pollution, waste, and general environmental distruction that is damaging our children, grand children, and every adult lives, often very silently and not obviously?
Why not go on from the basic controls on pollution that this country did with the Clean Air Act 1956 which rid us of the smogs of the 1950's, and be part of the clean up of the World's environment caused by our industrial past, along with current pollution caused by plastics, chemicals, and emissions from many sources? What is the problem in pushing the likes of the USA (Trump!) and China to clean up their acts, and for instance shame the latter into ceasing the building of more coal fired power stations? What is the problem in going for newer, electric, or hydrogen cell forms of transport and rid ourselves of our vehicles that have been proved to be polluting the air in cities that in the mildest form children are having breathing ailments in growing numbers, and at worst, 1950's style London smogs as seen in China? Why argue against clearing the World's seas of at least some of our waste plastic, and the dumping of the West's waste on third World countries?
If you or anyone else think I am going to cut and paste endless reports backing the need for action, and citing endless examples of what is happening out in the big wide world, as somebody else continues to do on this forum, with pages of text, with 'conspiracies' being suggested to back up their argument, you must be joking!
But, the bottom line is why worry about cleaning up our act? What is wrong in doing what we know, in (most of ) our brains and hearts is the right thing? Do we as people really think the dumping of waste where ever we like is fine, or tipping pollutants into the air or our waters, is OK?
What harm can come out of doing that right thing? What are some worried about? Or is it they just like to argue against wiser scientists and international bodies to look good, and again enjoy a good 'conspiracy' theory on their cut and paste contributions online for political reasons? ::) ::) :-X :-X
You miss the point Lizzie! ::)
You are completely right that we should stop polluting and contaminating our planet in so many ways and you won't find an argument from me about that! :y
My query though is to the extent that our activities affect the climate and I'm sceptical about that. :P
People say the science is irrefutable, but they are just believing without question what they are being told by their governments and international NGO's, in the same way people used to believe whatever their local vicar/priest used to tell them without question.... ;)
I come from an area where the ground is full of fossils of animals that lived in a tropical climate. In medieval times, vine yards were common in southern England and as mentioned earlier there was a mini ice age 300-400 years ago which in geological terms and the grand scheme of things we are still coming out of. :)
Now again I actually agree in part with that. However, I favour erroring on the side of caution, and as I am no scientist in any form, I would sooner do what seems to be the correct thing to do, and not do any more damage to the environment that in my life I probably have - and still do when I drive my 3.2 the limited miles compared to my "bad" business days - rather than carry on regardless, then realise all the scientists and environmentalists were absolutely right, and me and everyone else keeping on doing what we have all our lives has added to the deaths of millions of children.
My argument is we take stock, clean up our act, and if nature decides to wipe us all out regardless of what we do, at least we did something to reduce any possible human effect on the Armageddon to come, which probably will be the result of war given our history! ::) ::)
My conscience at least may be feeling a little less guilty!
So, again, I would say, why not take that route with the environment, regardless of business and political messages to the contrary from those who wish to protect their source of massive wealth at the cost of our children, the future? ;)
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So, again, I would say, why not take that route with the environment, regardless of business and political messages to the contrary from those who wish to protect their source of massive wealth at the cost of our children, the future? ;)
Because according to the climate fanatics we have to be carbon neutral by 2025 otherwise we will face armageddon! ::)
Carbon neutral by 2050 (which is government policy) is bloody ambitious in my view and probably will involve moving heaving emitting business and industry out of the UK to countries with less onerous regulations, with all the job losses and wealth drain from ordinary people that it will entail.
And what will we achieve? The source of emissions will be transferred elsewhere, the source of wealth will be transferred elsewhere and we will just import stuff that we used to produce here.... ::)
The UK has one of the cleanest economies on the planet and accounts for about 1% of global emissions, but apparently we have to put ourselves back to the stoneage to save the planet! ::) It's just madness! ;D
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A minor detail, but one seemingly not covered/conveniently ignored*, if we stop producing tat in order to become carbon neutral, what happens to all the newly unemployed people whose wages were paid by everyone buying said tat?
Do they enter the food chain?
* you decide...
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A minor detail, but one seemingly not covered/conveniently ignored*, if we stop producing tat in order to become carbon neutral, what happens to all the newly unemployed people whose wages were paid by everyone buying said tat?
Do they enter the food chain?
* you decide...
It doesn't matter as long as we save the planet! :y
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In that case, it might be time to become a wholesale butcher. In China...
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In that case, it might be time to become a wholesale butcher. In China...
No good, as we all have to become vegans........ :-X
To save the planet! ;D
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So, again, I would say, why not take that route with the environment, regardless of business and political messages to the contrary from those who wish to protect their source of massive wealth at the cost of our children, the future? ;)
Carbon neutral by 2050 (which is government policy) is bloody ambitious in my view and probably will involve moving heaving emitting business and industry out of the UK to countries with less onerous regulations, with all the job losses and wealth drain from ordinary people that it will entail.
And what will we achieve? The source of emissions will be transferred elsewhere, the source of wealth will be transferred elsewhere and we will just import stuff that we used to produce here.... ::)
The UK has one of the cleanest economies on the planet and accounts for about 1% of global emissions, but apparently we have to put ourselves back to the stoneage to save the planet! ::) It's just madness! ;D
Yes the 2025 target is not achievable, but the 2050 should be if everyone in power puts there efforts into cutting emissions. Targets are never easy to achieve; they normally drive business and people to work harder and focus their minds on meeting the objectives. So that is why even the latter one appears "hard" to achieve.
As for the movement of emissions elsewhere, you are about 30 years too late with that one. When the coal mines closed down, the steel plants were dramatically reduced, and our car plants greatly minimised, did our economy become even more the "poor man of Europe" as it had in the 1970's? No, our economy moved into the high tech industries, with us being the fifth largest economy in the World - we really lost the top spot for engineering output, and everything else by 1900 - and our environment has gained from that tremendously.
Why should then the movement of our emissions, which you state is only 1% of the World, emissions, be greatly detrimental to the UK? No, it is the likes of China that must be brought back from highly polluting the World's environment, and we must stop buying from them until they do. The USA is also guilty of not doing more to reduce emissions, with Trump standing in the way of progress.
So, the whole World must, in it's own interests, do all it can to protect the environment, both at government and individuals levels. ;)
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In that case, it might be time to become a wholesale butcher. In China...
No good, as we all have to become vegans........ :-X
To save the planet! ;D
OR Cannibals :y
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In that case, it might be time to become a wholesale butcher. In China...
No good, as we all have to become vegans........ :-X
To save the planet! ;D
OR Cannibals :y
Now that's a fickin good idea :y
I'm not eating any fat people, though, my cholesterol is a bit high.
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As for the movement of emissions elsewhere, you are about 30 years too late with that one. When the coal mines closed down, the steel plants were dramatically reduced, and our car plants greatly minimised, did our economy become even more the "poor man of Europe" as it had in the 1970's? No, our economy moved into the high tech industries, with us being the fifth largest economy in the World - we really lost the top spot for engineering output, and everything else by 1900 - and our environment has gained from that tremendously.
Actually car production has increased dramatically in recent years. Longbridge and Dagenham closed down sure, but others like Nissan, Honda, Peugeot, Mini, JLR have set up and thrived! :y (Until very recently of course... ::)) Don't forget other thriving manufacturers like JCB as well! :y
Why should then the movement of our emissions, which you state is only 1% of the World, emissions, be greatly detrimental to the UK?
Well lets take JCB for example. They decide that it's become too expensive to manufacture in the UK with carbon taxes, expensive energy etc and they are no longer competitive, so they move to Indonesia (say) where the environmental controls are lax. That's 7600 jobs lost, plus the wider impact on the economy and then UK construction firms, farmers etc who are JCB customers end up importing the product which now probably has a bigger impact on the environment due to the lax laws, plus transportation. :)
A quick google tells me the 2.7 million people are employed in manufacturing in the UK, earning an average of £32,000 and it accounts for 11% of GDP. That would be very detrimental if we make this country too expensive and uncompetitive with over stringent laws that drives businesses overseas! ;)
You are right though, the pressure should be applied to the likes of China, Russia and Trumpyland! :y
I think that the climate 'rebels' should go and fly their drones around airports in New York, Moscow or Beijing! :y
See how they get on! ::) ;D
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As for the movement of emissions elsewhere, you are about 30 years too late with that one. When the coal mines closed down, the steel plants were dramatically reduced, and our car plants greatly minimised, did our economy become even more the "poor man of Europe" as it had in the 1970's? No, our economy moved into the high tech industries, with us being the fifth largest economy in the World - we really lost the top spot for engineering output, and everything else by 1900 - and our environment has gained from that tremendously.
Actually car production has increased dramatically in recent years. Longbridge and Dagenham closed down sure, but others like Nissan, Honda, Peugeot, Mini, JLR have set up and thrived! :y (Until very recently of course... ::)) Don't forget other thriving manufacturers like JCB as well! :y
Why should then the movement of our emissions, which you state is only 1% of the World, emissions, be greatly detrimental to the UK?
Well lets take JCB for example. They decide that it's become too expensive to manufacture in the UK with carbon taxes, expensive energy etc and they are no longer competitive, so they move to Indonesia (say) where the environmental controls are lax. That's 7600 jobs lost, plus the wider impact on the economy and then UK construction firms, farmers etc who are JCB customers end up importing the product which now probably has a bigger impact on the environment due to the lax laws, plus transportation. :)
A quick google tells me the 2.7 million people are employed in manufacturing in the UK, earning an average of £32,000 and it accounts for 11% of GDP. That would be very detrimental if we make this country too expensive and uncompetitive with over stringent laws that drives businesses overseas! ;)
You are right though, the pressure should be applied to the likes of China, Russia and Trumpyland! :y
I think that the climate 'rebels' should go and fly their drones around airports in New York, Moscow or Beijing! :y
See how they get on! ::) ;D. ^^^^^ THIS^^^^ So true.
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In that case, it might be time to become a wholesale butcher. In China...
No good, as we all have to become vegans........ :-X
To save the planet! ;D
OR Cannibals :y
Now that's a fickin good idea :y
I'm not eating any fat people, though, my cholesterol is a bit high.
obviously you'd check they where fit and healthy BEFORE you eat them ::)
slow cooking makes meat tender and the fat falls off the meat
though rapid crisping like grilling with a sprinkle of salt ,produces a very moreish dish, pork scratchings and crispy bacon has been the downfall of many ,less strong willed "Vegetarians " ;D
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Lizzie for someone who speaks so passionately about climate change/saving the planet to then say she's going to run a 3.2 Omega to the death is slightly contradictory don't you think ??? You may not do a lot of mileage but surely that could be achieved in something more economical/less polluting?
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Lizzie for someone who speaks so passionately about climate change/saving the planet to then say she's going to run a 3.2 Omega to the death is slightly contradictory don't you think ??? You may not do a lot of mileage but surely that could be achieved in something more economical/less polluting?
less pollution than scrapping an omega, which uses lots of energy to recycle,add to that the energy required (and pollution produced) to build a new car ,ship it around the world to the end user .
cars are manufactured to last 8 to 10 years of use , so anyone driving a car 16+ years has got 2 cars worth of use out of it ;D
plus ,when I took mine for MOT, with a fancy emissions test machine plugged in , the emissions where zero
I follow some much newer cars that are chucking out more smoke than a 90s rave :P
add electric cars into the mix,the pollution and environmental impact of mining and processing the raw material to make the batteries ,let alone the rest of the car, and all the energy and pollution to get the electricity to charge the battery . which may last 8 years ::)
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As for the movement of emissions elsewhere, you are about 30 years too late with that one. When the coal mines closed down, the steel plants were dramatically reduced, and our car plants greatly minimised, did our economy become even more the "poor man of Europe" as it had in the 1970's? No, our economy moved into the high tech industries, with us being the fifth largest economy in the World - we really lost the top spot for engineering output, and everything else by 1900 - and our environment has gained from that tremendously.
Actually car production has increased dramatically in recent years. Longbridge and Dagenham closed down sure, but others like Nissan, Honda, Peugeot, Mini, JLR have set up and thrived! :y (Until very recently of course... ::)) Don't forget other thriving manufacturers like JCB as well! :y
Why should then the movement of our emissions, which you state is only 1% of the World, emissions, be greatly detrimental to the UK?
Well lets take JCB for example. They decide that it's become too expensive to manufacture in the UK with carbon taxes, expensive energy etc and they are no longer competitive, so they move to Indonesia (say) where the environmental controls are lax. That's 7600 jobs lost, plus the wider impact on the economy and then UK construction firms, farmers etc who are JCB customers end up importing the product which now probably has a bigger impact on the environment due to the lax laws, plus transportation. :)
A quick google tells me the 2.7 million people are employed in manufacturing in the UK, earning an average of £32,000 and it accounts for 11% of GDP. That would be very detrimental if we make this country too expensive and uncompetitive with over stringent laws that drives businesses overseas! ;)
You are right though, the pressure should be applied to the likes of China, Russia and Trumpyland! :y
I think that the climate 'rebels' should go and fly their drones around airports in New York, Moscow or Beijing! :y
See how they get on! ::) ;D
Yes, exactly, FOREIGN car manufacturers who ship in many of their parts for the cars purely to be assembled - unlike the true BRITISH car manufacturers of the past - so any emissions reduction will not affect them as a great percentage of the parts are made in foreign lands.
As for the industry doing so well:
July 2019 Overview
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnNjytTw/UK-new-car-production-Jul-2019.png)
So, don't think so!!
As for the example of JCB, that is just one company who decided some time ago to get cheaper workers in distant countries to make their products, so nothing to do with emission controls.
As for UK manufacturing, it has increased by 1.4% since 1948, even after the savage cuts of the 1960's/70's.
However, just 18% of the UK's GDP came from the manufacturing industry, with over 70% from the services sector. So, an enormous part of the UK's GDP is generated by the services sector, and tourism in particular keeps the economy going.
Therefore, any additional emissions controls will have an absolutely minimal effect. In any case, UK manufacturing is "thriving" according to the themanufacturer.com website, with , rarely for me, cutting and pasting the following from their pages to reinforce my argument:
"Manufacturing contributes £6.7 trillion to the global economy. Contrary to widespread perceptions, UK manufacturing is thriving, with the UK currently the world’s eighth largest industrial nation. If current growth trends continue, the UK will break into the top five by 2021. In the UK, manufacturing makes up 11% of GVA, 44% of total UK exports, 70% of business R&D, and directly employs 2.6 million people."[/i
I have also heard that UK companies are bringing manufacturing back to the UK from abroad, for various reasons, and the "threat" of additional emissions controls are doing nothing to stop that trend. Why should it? If modern British companies, using modern technology, do not produce anything like the emissions, and waste, that damaged our environment in the past, what is their further to cut? Even the power supply has reached a renewable capacity of 42.1GW in 2018 from 1.4 Gigawatt (GW) in 2000, out of a total generated of 62GW, with 75GW maximum capacity :y :y :y.
So everyone can panic over what effect the further cutting of emissions will have, but there is absolutely no need in the UK.
It is, I repeat, now down to China and the USA. So, let us ALL stop buying products made in China, when quality alternatives are available in the UK, even if they cost a few pence more! ;)
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Lizzie for someone who speaks so passionately about climate change/saving the planet to then say she's going to run a 3.2 Omega to the death is slightly contradictory don't you think ??? You may not do a lot of mileage but surely that could be achieved in something more economical/less polluting?
Why? ??? ??? ::)
My car has been built, the emissions created during that build went up into the sky long ago. Another, much newer, electric or hybrid car would mean the manufacturer producing even more emissions, so it is far better to 'recycle' my car in the best possible way. That fact is compounded by the fact I could not possibly afford a new electric or hybrid car, and so far there are no provisions around our low rise blocks of flats to provide recharging points.
No, the best thing I can now continue to do is keep my annual mileage to below 4,000 - it was over 100,000 per year - and keep 'recycling' the vehicle I have until my driving days are over, which is probably not that far off!
I have also cut my use of electricity, gas, and water by using my washing machines only half the times I did - not 52+ times a year, but about 26 times a year. My home is also fully equipped with energy saving light bulbs and appliances, that has dramatically reduced my energy use. I also cook all my own meals, often in bulk to save gas and electric, freezing them down in portions, so not causing unnecessary energy use 'elsewhere' by buying any form of ready cooked meals. I shower and not use the bath. I have also cut my clothes shopping dramatically, recycling and re-using as much as possible, which a new trend in women's fashion is echoing. I have also gone completely "paperless" with all bills and statements doing as much business as I can online, not driving my car to distant shopping locations. Oh, and yes, I recycle everything I can!!
I am doing my bit as much as age and finances allows! 8) 8) ;)
So, my conscience is as clear as it can be, given I am a child of the polluted, and constantly polluting, 1950's.
Is all your consciences as clear? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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You don't have to buy a new car of any type.A smaller/more economical car of similar age to your 3.2 would do just as well.My conscience is very clear,I use very little electricity and gas,many of the foodstuffs I buy loose therefore cutting down on packaging.I have the smallest wheelie bin size available and at the end of a fortnight[the collection rota] if the general waste bin is a third full I've over used it that fortnight,the plastics/cardboard bin I can easily fit a fortnights worth in something the size of a carrier bag.
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You don't have to buy a new car of any type.A smaller/more economical car of similar age to your 3.2 would do just as well.My conscience is very clear,I use very little electricity and gas,many of the foodstuffs I buy loose therefore cutting down on packaging.I have the smallest wheelie bin size available and at the end of a fortnight[the collection rota] if the general waste bin is a third full I've over used it that fortnight,the plastics/cardboard bin I can easily fit a fortnights worth in something the size of a carrier bag.
A car that I would have to spend money, I have not got spare, to get, of uncertain mechanical condition, another probably would not be that much more economical given the low mileage I do, when I do what I can anyway.
Now if those who are interested in my car use would like to pay into crowd funding for me to get a nice, new, hybrid.........................!! ;D ;D ;D
I was not having a go at you Baza, but just asking that general question as many do NOT do already what we do but are the first to complain about everyone "banging" on about environmental issues! ::) ::) ::) :P
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Um... Where to start? ::) ;D
Yes, exactly, FOREIGN car manufacturers who ship in many of their parts for the cars purely to be assembled - unlike the true BRITISH car manufacturers of the past - so any emissions reduction will not affect them as a great percentage of the parts are made in foreign lands.
As for the industry doing so well:
July 2019 Overview
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnNjytTw/UK-new-car-production-Jul-2019.png)
So, don't think so!!
I think that you'll find that the main reason for the recent decline in the fortunes of the car manufacturers not just in the UK, but globally, has been because of tougher emissions regulations for diesel engines. ::) A tad ironic perhaps? :-X
As for the example of JCB, that is just one company who decided some time ago to get cheaper workers in distant countries to make their products, so nothing to do with emission controls.
Yes JCB are global Lizzie and have plants worldwide including the UK where they employ 7600 people. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse, and doubt they would have any particular loyalty to this country if we regulate ourselves into uncompetitiveness. ;)
Manufacturing might well be thriving at the moment and the weaker pound has helped the exporters, but that's because we are largely competitive for a modern, advanced economy. That is key though.. competitiveness.. which if we follow the demands of the climate fanatics we won't be anymore, and we'll end up living in mudhuts eating grass and trying not to fart! ::) ;D
I'm not going to get into a tit for tat with on this Lizzie. You are welcome to the last word. :)
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Hmmm......I use as much electricity and gas as I like, drive everywhere and throw 'newish' stuff away all the time.
I'll come quietly, officer. ::)
I see 'mister moneybags' Mike Mansfield has finally gone off his rocker. In a speech to a lunatic vegan fringe at the Labour party conference, he is calling for meat eating to be outlawed and perpetrators charged with ecocide. ;D
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Don't forget a 32 hour working week. As opposed to the current (lazy) 40 hour one ::)
That's an extra 8 hours to consume. Surely not good from the saving everything perspective...
Although the funny part was the notion that we would all be earning the same wages for less hours...
I can see the likes of DHL falling for that. Not ;D
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No worries Lizzie,I didn't take it as a personal thing.I too use as much electricity/gas as I like Stemo but it still doesn't amount to much.I only buy clothes out of absolute necessity[I hate spending money on them and I only buy new stuff when I can see a long term benefit from doing so and very rarely throw anything out until it is no longer useable.
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Um... Where to start? ::) ;D
Yes, exactly, FOREIGN car manufacturers who ship in many of their parts for the cars purely to be assembled - unlike the true BRITISH car manufacturers of the past - so any emissions reduction will not affect them as a great percentage of the parts are made in foreign lands.
As for the industry doing so well:
July 2019 Overview
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnNjytTw/UK-new-car-production-Jul-2019.png)
So, don't think so!!
I think that you'll find that the main reason for the recent decline in the fortunes of the car manufacturers not just in the UK, but globally, has been because of tougher emissions regulations for diesel engines. ::) A tad ironic perhaps? :-X
As for the example of JCB, that is just one company who decided some time ago to get cheaper workers in distant countries to make their products, so nothing to do with emission controls.
Yes JCB are global Lizzie and have plants worldwide including the UK where they employ 7600 people. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse, and doubt they would have any particular loyalty to this country if we regulate ourselves into uncompetitiveness. ;)
Manufacturing might well be thriving at the moment and the weaker pound has helped the exporters, but that's because we are largely competitive for a modern, advanced economy. That is key though.. competitiveness.. which if we follow the demands of the climate fanatics we won't be anymore, and we'll end up living in mudhuts eating grass and trying not to fart! ::) ;D
I'm not going to get into a tit for tat with on this Lizzie. You are welcome to the last word. :)
You are offering that to me, a women Sir Tigger!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
All I will add, to the last full paragraph, is that ALL industrial countries of the World are made to comply with the demands of of The Kyoto Protocol, that the vast majority nations voted for then everyone will be on a level playing field with the same environmental restrictions.
However, as I touched on, the USA - Trump - pulling itself out of that Treaty does NOT help at all and is a disgrace! It gives no encouragement at all for China to do what it should, and instead continue with it's anti environmental actions! China is a menace to this World, environmentally and, in particular, politically. A grave danger to our democracy as well as the air we breath!
Therefore we must do more than the USA is trying to do, for merely political reasons, and apply more commercial sanctions that stop their cheap tat (I noted your comment DG!! ;)) from being sold in the Western World. We also, as "the people" who WILL be gravely affected by the overall menace of a growing China, MUST stop buying Chinese products and instead, whenever possible, only buy those produced in the free World. ;)
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You are offering that to me, a women Sir Tigger!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
You'll be determined to have the last word whatever Lizzie! ::) :-* ;D
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No worries Lizzie,I didn't take it as a personal thing.I too use as much electricity/gas as I like Stemo but it still doesn't amount to much.I only buy clothes out of absolute necessity[I hate spending money on them and I only buy new stuff when I can see a long term benefit from doing so and very rarely throw anything out until it is no longer useable.
Ah, that's good Baza! :-* :-*
This subject, like the "B" one, has become a very emotive subject throughout a high proportion of the human race, and I think will run, and run, until well after we have gone! :o :o ;D ;D ;)
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You are offering that to me, a women Sir Tigger!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
You'll be determined to have the last word whatever Lizzie! ::) :-* ;D
:-* :-* ;D ;D :y
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Although the funny part was the notion that we would all be earning the same wages for less hours...
Did they forget to mention the money tree, then? ;D
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So my employer will have to pay me the same for 32 hours a week as they do when I work 99 hours a week,as is sometimes the case at the moment ? !
Employers will either go bust or just move overseas. Im just the kid who didn't bother to turn up to the local Comprehensive, but I think I may be more economically literate than John (I love terrorists) McDonnell.
Meanwhile, they are planning on abolishing OFSTED. OFSTED is responsible (among other things) for child protection, so they are going to abolish that as well, as they haven't yet realised this small fact.
On a slightly different note, they are holding their conference next door to the Grand hotel in Brighton. In the 80,s the IRA blew up that hotel and tried to murder the whole of the elected UK Govt. in one hit. A few weeks later Corbyn invited some of the leaders of the IRA to be his personal guests at the House of commons, and later campaigned on behalf of one of the men known to have been one of the bombers.
A Sinn Fein councillor has been invited to speak at a meeting inside the hotel. His constituency office is named after IRA terrorists who died while "on active service". And these creatures talk about democracy.
You couldn't make it up. If only we could still hang them for high treason.
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We could play them at their own game...
Bbq anyone?
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On a slightly different note, they are holding their conference next door to the Grand hotel in Brighton. In the 80,s the IRA blew up that hotel and tried to murder the whole of the elected UK Govt. in one hit. A few weeks later Corbyn invited some of the leaders of the IRA to be his personal guests at the House of commons, and later campaigned on behalf of one of the men known to have been one of the bombers.
A Sinn Fein councillor has been invited to speak at a meeting inside the hotel. His constituency office is named after IRA terrorists who died while "on active service". And these creatures talk about democracy.
You couldn't make it up. If only we could still hang them for high treason.
Fully agree about that summary :y
Corbyn is a nasty piece of Marxist work, and to see that, apart from what he has spouted over the decades, just watch and listen to him when he gets rattled. He snaps and snarls at those in his way, or just asking pointed questions of him like some dictator who should not be treated in such a manner! I cannot think of another politician within our democracy who shows such nastiness and extremely rude behaviour, with evil intent, which I personally can see in his eyes. He should be leading an effective opposition, scoring unlimited 'goals' into an open Conservative goal mouth, but instead he has lead Labour into the depths that even Michael Foot never achieved. >:( >:(
From what has been coming out about his 'inner circle' over the months and from those who have tried to disagree with him and his policies, such as on the issue of anti-Semiticism, he shows his true colours of pure hate. If he was clever he would be dangerous, but he is now constantly displaying his political and personal weakness. Just look at his indecision over Brexit and how Labour should support it or not. At least Buffoon Boris has nailed his flag to the mast and is going for it! :D
Thank God many from within the Labour Party are now really questioning his ability to lead the Party into the next General Election, let alone run the country. The truth is coming out, and his time is / should be expiring. 8) 8)
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You’ll come around to Borris Lizz ...it’s just a matter of charm and time :y :-*
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We have two options, do something or do nothing. If we do reduce our carbon output to the required levels, but the climate change deniers are correct, the worse that happens is that the world becomes far more energy efficient, and our descendants still survive. However, if we make no, or an insufficient, attempt, to reduce carbon output, and the scientists are correct, we will destroy the planet, and our descendants are no more.
It seems a no brainer to me. :y
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We have two options, do something or do nothing. If we do reduce our carbon output to the required levels, but the climate change deniers are correct, the worse that happens is that the world becomes far more energy efficient, and our descendants still survive. However, if we make no, or an insufficient, attempt, to reduce carbon output, and the scientists are correct, we will destroy the planet, and our descendants are no more.
It seems a no brainer to me. :y
Exactly Shackeng, that is how I see it and have said so repeatedly in this thread. :y :y
The climate change deniers do not like it though, even though there is nothing to lose ::) ::) ;)
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Absolutely no point trying to do anything when people are buying £14 microwaves just because they like the colour rather than because the old one no longer works :-X
Also there's no way we can celebrate becoming carbon neutral as a country when the British government is happy to turn a blind eye to all our electrical crap being sent to places like Port Harcourt so that people can burn the copper out of it for 25 cents a day :-X
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You’ll come around to Borris Lizz ...it’s just a matter of charm and time :y :-*
I have said repeatedly that I want to; I want him to prove me wrong; I want him to make me proud to be a Conservative again. But he keeps on living up to my image of Boris; the guffer, the fool, the bluffer, the over-inflated ego (although perhaps that goes with the territory of all politicians!! ::) ::)) and the one who can get things so terribly wrong all too many times. He has torn the Conservative Party to shreds, with the constant bluff that he is going to sort "B" out - I really hope he can by 31st October - but he is not convincing me at all. :( :(
As for "charm", for me he has zero amount of that, and he has very little "time" to prove me, and the majority of the country, wrong about him! :o :o ::) ::) :D ;)
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Did you see the look little Greta gave Donald Trump. For a brief moment I thought she was going to run across and kick him in the balls. :)
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.....that would have knocked the decision of the supreme court from the front page. :)
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Every tabloid worth it's salt will now be on her tail, and if she so much as turns the central heating on............. ;D
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Did any of you listen to her "You stole my childhood!" rant?
All I could think of was "Oh fduck off, you melodramatic spoilt little brat" ::) if she wants to know what a stolen childhood is like, perhaps she should go and visit North Korea, or the arse end of Africa where children starve to death on a regular basis?
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Every tabloid worth it's salt will now be on her tail, and if she so much as turns the central heating on............. ;D
She doesn't look like she eats much because she looks more like 11 or 12 rather than 16.
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Wonder what she will be doing in fifteen years time?
Leader of the world?
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Wonder what she will be doing in fifteen years time?
Leader of the world?
Frozen to death in the ice age she helped create.
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Wonder what she will be doing in fifteen years time?
Leader of the world?
Frozen to death in the ice age she helped create.
This was the perceived wisdom when I was at school.
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Little Greta. The patron saint off attention seeking adolescents.
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Did you see the look little Greta gave Donald Trump. For a brief moment I thought she was going to run across and kick him in the balls. :)
I half expected to see her eyes blaze red in the death stare she gave Trumpy! ;D
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Ahhh ,she's just an obnoxious little pixie who should be seen and not heard .
I hope she is hounded until her , and her sponsers , hypocrisies are laid bare , she'll enter melt down then.
"The next big thing ......until the next big thing comes along ."
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If she fails to save the planet, she could always make a living winning gurning competitions. ;D
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I hope that there's no wind for her return trip... Rowing will give her plenty of thinking time...
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I hope that there's no wind for her return trip... Rowing will give her plenty of thinking time...
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I hope there’s too much wind and it blows her to oblivion.
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What a Brat
Kids today eh ::)
maybe we need an extinction level event and start again ;D
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Asteroid perhaps?
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An ice age would do it too :D
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or a clip round the ear and sent to her room with the internet turned off .
An ice age would do it too :D
NO ! I don't like the cold ;D
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I’m in where’s the coal?
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I’m in where’s the coal?
"we've got LUMPS of it round the back " (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE17sNjmW7c)
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I’m in where’s the coal?
I believe we sold it all to China and they burnt it making plastic tat...
Best get a boat and harvest the plastic from the sea* to burn that instead...
*Oh, wait a moment... doh ::)
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Ha ha ;D
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we can still grow our own coal here in the UK and slate ,plenty already planted in the ground
we choose to ship it from half way round the world :(
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Bloody kids, you couldn’t fart out of tune....or in tune for that matter without either getting a clip around the ear or for worse crimes a bloody good shaking in my day.
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we can still grow our own coal here in the UK and slate ,plenty already planted in the ground
we choose to ship it from half way round the world :(
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Too true, but Thatcher and Scargil fkd that up perfectly :(
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maybe we need an extinction level event and start again ;D
If you listen to some people (like TB :P), I think that's called "Brexit" :D
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we can still grow our own coal here in the UK and slate ,plenty already planted in the ground
we choose to ship it from half way round the world :(
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Too true, but Thatcher and Scargil fkd that up perfectly :(
I'm burning Colombian coal , yeah , shipped half way around the world on high sulpher producing, cheap diesel burning ships .......although I'm sure the margin made on the black coal is augmented by some secreted white powder within.
Great heat and thick black smoke off it though . :y
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we can still grow our own coal here in the UK and slate ,plenty already planted in the ground
we choose to ship it from half way round the world :(
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Too true, but Thatcher and Scargil fkd that up perfectly :(
Because UK coal had become too expensive to extract, with it's commercial viability in serious decline, and with miners who, rightly, were pushing to be paid far more for their very hot, tough, and bloody dangerous work. Who in their right mind would be a miner now? ::) ::) Would anyone on here do it? ??? ??? ::)
It is also an out of date means of fueling whoes time will eventually run out, especially when if China conforms and stops building coal fired power stations, let alone stop using the ones they have! But, when you have unlimited slave labour in an authoritarian state, which we in the West are supporting by buying their crap, it will not stop quickly!! >:( >:(
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as I said if it wasn’t for them pair of fannies we could probably still be burning our own coal instead of importing it from halfway around the world supporting their miners/economy/country, and causing more pollution to get it here, not to mention all the lost jobs and the effect on the villages the miners lived in here, and believe me there are still colliers here who would love to be doing their job, our miners are/were far better treated and paid far more than what the Chinese are getting.
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as I said if it wasn’t for them pair of fannies we could probably still be burning our own coal instead of importing it from halfway around the world supporting their miners/economy/country, and causing more pollution to get it here, not to mention all the lost jobs and the effect on the villages the miners lived in here, and believe me there are still colliers here who would love to be doing their job, our miners are/were far better treated and paid far more than what the Chinese are getting.
Sorry, but this is 2019 not 1979, so you are way out of date ;)
Let this graph say everything that has to be said about UK coal consumption, and therefore the importance, or not, of UK coal production:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bv8Y9j2w/UK-Coal-Consumption2018.png)
I love steam engines, but I know as a woman of the 21st century, coal for the UK is coming to an end, and only countries like China and India still feel the need for it big time. ;)
Just to add to that other historical facts are that UK coal production peaked in 1913 at 287 million tonnes. Until the late 1960s, coal was the main source of energy produced in the UK, peaking at 228 million tonnes in 1952. Now look at those figures above to see how King Coal is now no more. 8) 8) ;)
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I’m aware of the decrease in consumption but we are still burning coal, it should be coal taken from our own country. Besides you don’t have to tell me The history of coal production I happen to live in the place which was the biggest coal exporter in the world at one time.
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I’m aware of the decrease in consumption but we are still burning coal, it should be coal taken from our own country. Besides you don’t have to tell me The history of coal production I happen to live in the place which was the biggest coal exporter in the world at one time.
Sorry, but your post #103 gave a different impression ;)
I know how it affected the valleys, as on business I regularly covered that area, and during the 1984/85 strike period watched the lorries on the motorways moving coal around, and a close police friend of mine was shipped in to help control it, causing much resentment.
It hit you all hard there, and in other pit communities, but it's time had come, certainly encouraged by the foolish actions of Scargill. Now coal is rapidly declining down to not far short of zero, why would anyone invest in pits anywhere in the UK to supply a reducing demand, even if you could encourage the high tech young of today to work down them?
I just do not understand that logic. ??? ??? ;)
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Am I right in thinking that they had got close to solving the conundrum of how to burn coal cleanly? But they didn't quite get there before EU law compelled them to close down the coal fired power stations? ??? :-\
It seems bonkers to me, just to abandon a massive resource like that. :-\ ::)
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Am I right in thinking that they had got close to solving the conundrum of how to burn coal cleanly? But they didn't quite get there before EU law compelled them to close down the coal fired power stations? ??? :-\
It seems bonkers to me, just to abandon a massive resource like that. :-\ ::)
They have created a far cleaner way to burn coal, but renewables will always be cleaner and the decision has been made to go down that road ;)
In anycase, can digging the coal out of the ground in the UK, with all that implies for those who would have to do it, then transporting it all again to the six coal fired plants only still operating, or more if a change of policy was to occur, be justified? ???
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Am I right in thinking that they had got close to solving the conundrum of how to burn coal cleanly? But they didn't quite get there before EU law compelled them to close down the coal fired power stations? ??? :-\
It seems bonkers to me, just to abandon a massive resource like that. :-\ ::)
They have created a far cleaner way to burn coal, but renewables will always be cleaner and the decision has been made to go down that road ;)
In anycase, can digging the coal out of the ground in the UK, with all that implies for those who would have to do it, then transporting it all again to the six coal fired plants only still operating, or more if a change of policy was to occur, be justified? ???
Could always flog the surplus to China or India, or even the U.S. They don,t really give a stuff about clean air. ;)
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That isn't strictly true, a lot of the US power comes from Nuclear ;)
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That isn't strictly true, a lot of the US power comes from Nuclear ;)
Yes indeed, and it is echoed by the following I noted before when looking at UK coal consumption:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37692
Use of coal in the US for power generation is going down, even with the Trump factor ;)
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And one for the Climate Change deniers:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49817804
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I’m aware of the decrease in consumption but we are still burning coal, it should be coal taken from our own country. Besides you don’t have to tell me The history of coal production I happen to live in the place which was the biggest coal exporter in the world at one time.
Sorry, but your post #103 gave a different impression ;)
I know how it affected the valleys, as on business I regularly covered that area, and during the 1984/85 strike period watched the lorries on the motorways moving coal around, and a close police friend of mine was shipped in to help control it, causing much resentment.
It hit you all hard there, and in other pit communities, but it's time had come, certainly encouraged by the foolish actions of Scargill. Now coal is rapidly declining down to not far short of zero, why would anyone invest in pits anywhere in the UK to supply a reducing demand, even if you could encourage the high tech young of today to work down them?
I just do not understand that logic. ??? ??? ;)
. That’s rubbish, as said new technologies were well on the way at that time for cleaner burning, and the time had certainly not come, you’re talking out of your arse, as proven by the miners buy out at Hirwaun which is still operational and Thatcher was just as bad as Scargill on this issue. It was never going to be resolved. Besides who did you want to invest? It was already there!
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So you would rather burn coal from abroad than our own? Honest question
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I just do not understand that logic. ??? ??? ;) That’s right you’ve no idea, your not from here, you’ve never worked underground, you’ve heard this,. your friends did this and that. Pack it in girl and watch the lorries.
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2008 was official ending but there’s still a lot going on there.
Coal had been commercially mined at Tower Colliery near the village of Hirwaun in the South Wales Cynon Valley since 1864, first as a drift mine and later (in the 1940s) as a deep mine.
In the aftermath of the 1984/85 Miner’s strike, the then Conservative government instructed British Coal to undertake a huge closure programme, involving many of the UK’s deep mines, on economic grounds. The official axe fell on Tower in April 1994, and many experts thought that was that…. But what happened next was totally unexpected.
Rather than accept the fate decreed for them, the Tower miners, led by NUM Branch Secretary Tyrone O’Sullivan, came to a decision: they would buy their own pit and continue to work it successfully. Two hundred and thirty nine miners each pledged their £8,000 redundancy payouts; they developed a business plan; and they attracted financial support from the banks.
In spite of strong official resistance, and in the face of other competing bids, the Tower miners won the day and their bid for the colliery was accepted, with the result that on January 2nd, 1995 they marched triumphantly back into Tower and began work in earnest the following day.
For the next thirteen years, the re-opened Tower Colliery successfully produced coal, and made a decent profit for its’ many owner-shareholders until, in January 2008, with the last economically viable deep coal deposits worked out, the pit closed for the second – and last – time.
Now, some three and a half years later, the Tower story is set to begin one last chapter, with permission gained to extract about 5.8 million tonnes of shallow coal deposits…
We were ordinary men;
We wanted jobs;
We bought a pit.
Historical
The Cynon valley is the oldest mining area in Wales. Predates the more famous Rhondda valleys having its roots on the Hirwaun common mining ironstone followed by coal. Following the demise of iron industry replaced by demand for coal.
HISTORY INTRINSICALLY LINKED WITH COAL & IRONSTONE HISTORY OF HIRWAUN COMMON
1631 - EARLIEST RECORDED COMMERCIAL EXPLOITATION.
GROUND LET FOR DIGGING BY EARL of PEMBROKE
1757 - JOHN MAYBERRY SECURED LEASE of 250 acres in 1757 on HIRWAUN COMMON TO SUPPLY RAW MATERIALS FOR IRON FURNACE CONSTRUCTED AT HIRWAUN IN SAME YEAR.
IRONWORKS AQUIRED IN 1780 ANTHONY BACON ( PARTNER FRANCIS HOMFRAY ) OF CYFARTHA
PURCHASED 1819 BY WILLIAM CRAWSHAY.
1800 - TURN 18TH CENTURY GROWTH OF IRONSTONE & COAL MINING FROM SURFACE DRIFT MINES
1847 - KNOBBY DRIFT ( CNAPIOG DRIFT ) IRONSTONE & COAL ( 5’ SEAM )
1848 - CRAWSHAY TOWER BUILT (FOLLY?, SHELTER ?, CELEBRATE SUPPRESSION MERTHYR RISING ? )
1859 - HIRWAUN IRONWORKS CLOSED
FOLLOWING CLOSURE OF IRONWORKS TRANSITION FROM IRONSTONE TO COAL MINING
1850 - LONG RANGE LEVEL ( Aberdare Steam Coal Co.)
1859 on FOLLOWING CLOSURE, TO MEET DEMAND FOR STEAM COAL, ATTENTION GIVEN TO MINING SEAMS IN LOWER COAL MEASURES
1864 - BUTE ESTATE RENAMED CRAWSHAYS GOITRE MACHINE LEVEL AS TOWER COLLIERY
OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED COAL MINE IN UK – POSSIBLY WORLD
1864 - NEW DRIFT (4’)
1894 - 3RD DRIFT (6’)
4’ & 6’ DRIFTS LATER RENAMED 1 & 2 DRIFTS
1920 - No.3 DRIFT – “ OLD DRIFT “
1941 - No. 4 SHAFT
1958 - No. 3 NEW DRIFT ( DESIGNED FOR LONG HAUL CONVEYORS )
1993 - TOWER CLOSED by B.C.
2008 - ECONOMICALLY EXHAUSTED AND CLOSED
MINING DISASTERS / INCIDENTS
MANY FATALITIES OVER YEARS,
THE WORSE ON 12.04.62 WHEN 9 MEN WERE KILLED AND 9 SERIOUSLY INJURED BY GAS EXPLOSION.
Charlie Dyton
SERIOUS THREATS TO LIFE / SURVIVAL OF THE MINE
Almost Lost Colliery 3 Times:
1972 - Water inrush – from Rhigos O.C.C.S.
Potential multiple fatalities
1982 - Water inrush into N.21 from Rhigos Colliery
Potential multiple fatalities
2000 - Gas inrush from Glyncorrwg Colliery
Potential multiple fatalities
Tower Colliery
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But.... all I’m saying is.... let’s burn our own coal if we have to burn any at all.
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I just do not understand that logic. ??? ??? ;) That’s right you’ve no idea, your not from here, you’ve never worked underground, you’ve heard this,. your friends did this and that. Pack it in girl and watch the lorries.
Why are you getting so angry and pissy over numerous posts about something out of your, and my control? Why should I be "from here" to be allowed by you to comment on this matter?! What I know is my experience of that filthy stuff that blighted our childhoods and led to dramatic changes of government policy after the public demanded it. Getting covered in soot, and breathing it in was not good, let alone 'cutting' ourselves through the smogs caused by burning a prehistoric fuel that had certainly had it's day. If you cannot recognise that......!!!!
I have also not made the decisions that obviously you have a real issue with, that have been made about using coal by those fully qualified to do so over recent DECADES, recognising that fuel is costly, inefficient, and generally bad for human health, let alone damaging to the planet when burnt. As I have said, this is 2019, not the 1979, or even 1949, that you seem to reside in, and use the condescending language of against women which I find as an educated women highly offensive. >:( >:(
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2008 was official ending but there’s still a lot going on there.
Coal had been commercially mined at Tower Colliery near the village of Hirwaun in the South Wales Cynon Valley since 1864, first as a drift mine and later (in the 1940s) as a deep mine.
In the aftermath of the 1984/85 Miner’s strike, the then Conservative government instructed British Coal to undertake a huge closure programme, involving many of the UK’s deep mines, on economic grounds. The official axe fell on Tower in April 1994, and many experts thought that was that…. But what happened next was totally unexpected.
Rather than accept the fate decreed for them, the Tower miners, led by NUM Branch Secretary Tyrone O’Sullivan, came to a decision: they would buy their own pit and continue to work it successfully. Two hundred and thirty nine miners each pledged their £8,000 redundancy payouts; they developed a business plan; and they attracted financial support from the banks.
In spite of strong official resistance, and in the face of other competing bids, the Tower miners won the day and their bid for the colliery was accepted, with the result that on January 2nd, 1995 they marched triumphantly back into Tower and began work in earnest the following day.
For the next thirteen years, the re-opened Tower Colliery successfully produced coal, and made a decent profit for its’ many owner-shareholders until, in January 2008, with the last economically viable deep coal deposits worked out, the pit closed for the second – and last – time.
Now, some three and a half years later, the Tower story is set to begin one last chapter, with permission gained to extract about 5.8 million tonnes of shallow coal deposits…
We were ordinary men;
We wanted jobs;
We bought a pit.
Historical
The Cynon valley is the oldest mining area in Wales. Predates the more famous Rhondda valleys having its roots on the Hirwaun common mining ironstone followed by coal. Following the demise of iron industry replaced by demand for coal.
HISTORY INTRINSICALLY LINKED WITH COAL & IRONSTONE HISTORY OF HIRWAUN COMMON
1631 - EARLIEST RECORDED COMMERCIAL EXPLOITATION.
GROUND LET FOR DIGGING BY EARL of PEMBROKE
1757 - JOHN MAYBERRY SECURED LEASE of 250 acres in 1757 on HIRWAUN COMMON TO SUPPLY RAW MATERIALS FOR IRON FURNACE CONSTRUCTED AT HIRWAUN IN SAME YEAR.
IRONWORKS AQUIRED IN 1780 ANTHONY BACON ( PARTNER FRANCIS HOMFRAY ) OF CYFARTHA
PURCHASED 1819 BY WILLIAM CRAWSHAY.
1800 - TURN 18TH CENTURY GROWTH OF IRONSTONE & COAL MINING FROM SURFACE DRIFT MINES
1847 - KNOBBY DRIFT ( CNAPIOG DRIFT ) IRONSTONE & COAL ( 5’ SEAM )
1848 - CRAWSHAY TOWER BUILT (FOLLY?, SHELTER ?, CELEBRATE SUPPRESSION MERTHYR RISING ? )
1859 - HIRWAUN IRONWORKS CLOSED
FOLLOWING CLOSURE OF IRONWORKS TRANSITION FROM IRONSTONE TO COAL MINING
1850 - LONG RANGE LEVEL ( Aberdare Steam Coal Co.)
1859 on FOLLOWING CLOSURE, TO MEET DEMAND FOR STEAM COAL, ATTENTION GIVEN TO MINING SEAMS IN LOWER COAL MEASURES
1864 - BUTE ESTATE RENAMED CRAWSHAYS GOITRE MACHINE LEVEL AS TOWER COLLIERY
OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED COAL MINE IN UK – POSSIBLY WORLD
1864 - NEW DRIFT (4’)
1894 - 3RD DRIFT (6’)
4’ & 6’ DRIFTS LATER RENAMED 1 & 2 DRIFTS
1920 - No.3 DRIFT – “ OLD DRIFT “
1941 - No. 4 SHAFT
1958 - No. 3 NEW DRIFT ( DESIGNED FOR LONG HAUL CONVEYORS )
1993 - TOWER CLOSED by B.C.
2008 - ECONOMICALLY EXHAUSTED AND CLOSED
MINING DISASTERS / INCIDENTS
MANY FATALITIES OVER YEARS,
THE WORSE ON 12.04.62 WHEN 9 MEN WERE KILLED AND 9 SERIOUSLY INJURED BY GAS EXPLOSION.
Charlie Dyton
SERIOUS THREATS TO LIFE / SURVIVAL OF THE MINE
Almost Lost Colliery 3 Times:
1972 - Water inrush – from Rhigos O.C.C.S.
Potential multiple fatalities
1982 - Water inrush into N.21 from Rhigos Colliery
Potential multiple fatalities
2000 - Gas inrush from Glyncorrwg Colliery
Potential multiple fatalities
Tower Colliery
So you believe that awful historical safety record backs up your argument for use of coal in the UK, and risking what will be young miners lives to get it out of the ground?! ::) ::) ::)
You really are backward, or deranged, in thought! >:( >:(
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Im not either angry or pissy and don’t pull the feminist . You can say what you want as can I. I haven’t questioned your education so don’t question mine. Coal kept us here alive, it’s all we had!
We’re still burning the filth as you put it, but people like you would rather support outside supplies from abroad, I’ve not insulted you yet, on the contrary I feel you have a problem with me. Oh I know what timescale I’m in. 1949 is far later than the times I was referring to earlier, but I suppose I’m going to have to wait for your research and the resulting crappy reply that you will undoubtably create from it.
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I know what I'd rather 'ave ......
I tried that smokeless shit but , Nah, smokier the better . ;D
And as said yesterday , not a single gram of f--k will ever be given.
(https://i.ibb.co/dGHgnyb/IMG-0236.jpg)
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Im not either angry or pissy and don’t pull the feminist . You can say what you want as can I. I haven’t questioned your education so don’t question mine. Coal kept us here alive, it’s all we had!
We’re still burning the filth as you put it, but people like you would rather support outside supplies from abroad, I’ve not insulted you yet, on the contrary I feel you have a problem with me. Oh I know what timescale I’m in. 1949 is far later than the times I was referring to earlier, but I suppose I’m going to have to wait for your research and the resulting crappy reply that you will undoubtably create from it.
I'm sure Frau Google is downloading the reply right now.
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Backward? Deranged?.. Strange uncalled for remarks from a women you’re trying to portray.
You’re an idiot.
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Im not either angry or pissy and don’t pull the feminist . You can say what you want as can I. I haven’t questioned your education so don’t question mine. Coal kept us here alive, it’s all we had!
We’re still burning the filth as you put it, but people like you would rather support outside supplies from abroad, I’ve not insulted you yet, on the contrary I feel you have a problem with me. Oh I know what timescale I’m in. 1949 is far later than the times I was referring to earlier, but I suppose I’m going to have to wait for your research and the resulting crappy reply that you will undoubtably create from it.
No you had children that were not kept alive! Yes, you have quietly, conveniently, forgotten the Aberfan School mining disaster of 1966 that killed 116 children and 28 adults which shocked Britain and the World, along with all of us who watched the dreadful scenes on B&W televisions ::)
Then you have all the other mining disasters from right across the country.....that killed! ::) ::)
"I've not insulted you yet". ?!! Do you read what you have expressed in this short post, let alone the previous ones?! ::) ::)
All I have done in this thread is to express my ideas in a quiet manner, calmly, and referring to the facts as known and published by others, coupled with my observations based on life experience. You are the one who has continually jumped down my throat over what I have written, because I believe it in all good faith, without fear or favour, as I hope we can all do on this forum. ::) ::) :P
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the UK coal can be dug out by the criminals that we currently pamper in heated cells with sky television etc
because crime is on the increase ,we need a deterrent. ;)
many coal power stations where fitted with expensive and effective emission control systems ,yet they still got shut down
leaving the national grid dangerously close to capacity ,and I said this long before the recent massive power outages ::)
any coal and slate imported from China or elsewhere still needs transporting once it's landed in the UK ,so cut the pollution of the massive ships delivering it.
Another recent trend that is meant to be green and carbon neutral is the use of home wood burning stoves and biomass boilers, such sources of home heat take a great deal of skill and maintenance to get an efficient burn ,many don't have a clue.as can be seen by a return of smoking chimneys .
oh and then,while I type , Mr Olympia5776 posts that ^^^ ;D :D
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Im not either angry or pissy and don’t pull the feminist . You can say what you want as can I. I haven’t questioned your education so don’t question mine. Coal kept us here alive, it’s all we had!
We’re still burning the filth as you put it, but people like you would rather support outside supplies from abroad, I’ve not insulted you yet, on the contrary I feel you have a problem with me. Oh I know what timescale I’m in. 1949 is far later than the times I was referring to earlier, but I suppose I’m going to have to wait for your research and the resulting crappy reply that you will undoubtably create from it.
I'm sure Frau Google is downloading the reply right now.
And you are another one who seems to have a personal grudge or issue against me, expressing this type of demeaning attitude, without any smilies, whenever I make a comment, and seemingly trying to put the boot in beyond the banter level that most of us enjoy! Why? ??? ???
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Forgotten Aberfan?!! You’re not worth my time you are a disgrace fu(k off
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Forgotten Aberfan?!! You’re not worth my time your a disgrace fu(k off
Oh, how lovely >:( >:( >:(
Thank God the the great majority of people on here can accept personal points of view without stooping to those levels of insult, and against a women! Not good! >:( >:(
Just read Dave the builders queit, considered, and politely put point of view and learn.
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I know what I'd rather 'ave ......
I tried that smokeless shit but , Nah, smokier the better . ;D
And as said yesterday , not a single gram of f--k will ever be given.
(https://i.ibb.co/dGHgnyb/IMG-0236.jpg)
I can actually close my eyes and smell the Irish turf burning in that. Lovely.
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I couldn’t give a toss who or whatever sex or mixture of sex you are, you’ve crossed the line there pal, that’s far more personal than your pretend caring portfolio. As an act of chivalry I will not answer you again on this as I’m seething and I do not wish to upset you.
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A VERY SHORT REMINDER TO ANYONE THOWING PERSONAL INSULTS....REPEAT BEHAVIOR WILL SEE BANS
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As above.
Thread locked.