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Title: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 21 September 2019, 14:05:10
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 21 September 2019, 14:07:09
As is this XJ....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201908090988031?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201908090988031?atmobcid=soc4)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2019, 14:09:21
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)

Just one major problem with this car. Can you guess what it is? :)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 21 September 2019, 14:11:33
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)

Just one major problem with this car. Can you guess what it is? :)

Diesel  :)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2019, 14:13:53
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)

Just one major problem with this car. Can you guess what it is? :)

Diesel  :)

But of course. ;D

Looks as though it has the uprated 18 way seats same as my car though. :y.......pretty good value if it is as it seems.


I take that back. I've had a look and find I have an extra knob to play with. I think the car has 14 way rather than 18 way seats.........not that it matters once you have set them up.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 21 September 2019, 14:15:43
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)

Just one major problem with this car. Can you guess what it is? :)

Diesel  :)

But of course. ;D

Looks as though it has the uprated 18 way seats same as my car though. :y.......pretty good value if it ia as it seems.

Yeah, like the upgraded seats.

It’s in Bedford though, so probably stolen.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 September 2019, 14:21:07
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)

Just one major problem with this car. Can you guess what it is? :)

Diesel  :)

But of course. ;D

Looks as though it has the uprated 18 way seats same as my car though. :y.......pretty good value if it ia as it seems.

Yeah, like the upgraded seats.

It’s in Bedford though, so probably stolen.

If it was for sale in Liverpool there would be no 'probably' about it. :)

Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 21 September 2019, 14:38:47
The 270bhp TDV6 is a pretty nice motor, for a tractor.  Allegedly same economy and its the same tax as the 230bhp one, so why would anyone by the lower powered one.

Cabin space is an issue in both those, which may or may not be an issue.  The XJ is a bloody long car. Do not underestimate its length if parking is tight.  I scrapped 2 opposite wheels in a city centre carpark before I went away, as it simply would not get around the ramp.

Clearly, the XJ is far better equipped as standard (if it genuinely is a Portfolio - many dealers class all Jags as Portfolios due to certain options being ticked), but is more of a detached drive than the XF.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Viral_Jim on 21 September 2019, 21:58:52
The 270bhp TDV6 is a pretty nice motor, for a tractor.  Allegedly same economy and its the same tax as the 230bhp one, so why would anyone by the lower powered one.

Any difference between them, other than an engine map?

That XF looks a bargain, at that kind of money you could just run it until it (seriously) breaks.  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Andy B on 21 September 2019, 22:05:38
....  I scrapped 2 opposite wheels in a city centre carpark before I went away, as it simply would not get around the ramp. ....

All my alloys were refurb'd before I bought my ML and I caught my rear offside wheel going down the ramps of a multi-storey car park within a couple of weeks of buying it  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: STEMO on 22 September 2019, 06:43:27
Multi storeys, even the newer ones, are just not built with 4x4's or luxury limos in mind. The older ones are even worse. I worked at London Olympia for a couple of years. The multi storey there was built in 1937, the first in London, imagine the problems we had there.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2019, 08:57:17
Multi storeys, even the newer ones, are just not built with 4x4's or luxury limos in mind. The older ones are even worse. I worked at London Olympia for a couple of years. The multi storey there was built in 1937, the first in London, imagine the problems we had there.

Just buy an Austin 7.  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 September 2019, 08:58:03
Multi storeys, even the newer ones, are just not built with 4x4's or luxury limos in mind. The older ones are even worse. I worked at London Olympia for a couple of years. The multi storey there was built in 1937, the first in London, imagine the problems we had there.

Just buy an Austin 7.  :y

Oh, wait! The envirotards probably won't let you drive one there any more. :'(
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2019, 17:47:59
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 17:54:54
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2019, 18:09:45
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 18:12:26
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.

If I went XF 4 pot diesel, it would be the later 2.0 engines. In the x260 shape around 2016 era.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2019, 18:34:06
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.

If I went XF 4 pot diesel, it would be the later 2.0 engines. In the x260 shape around 2016 era.


Perhaps the very slightly smaller XE could be a consideration. :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 18:35:24
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.

If I went XF 4 pot diesel, it would be the later 2.0 engines. In the x260 shape around 2016 era.


Perhaps the very slightly smaller XE could be a consideration. :y

Not a fan of the back end looks of it, personally. I think XF is a better looking car
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 September 2019, 18:37:44
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.

If I went XF 4 pot diesel, it would be the later 2.0 engines. In the x260 shape around 2016 era.


Perhaps the very slightly smaller XE could be a consideration. :y

Not a fan of the back end looks of it, personally. I think XF is a better looking car

Looks are subjective but I find it hard to tell an XE from an XF.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 19:47:38
My son has one, eight speed box and goes very well, unbelievable on fuel returning 46 to 50mpg on a run without driving like miss daisy. The have a couple of faults one being they often crack inlet manifolds (especially if they’ve been remapped :D) but a lovely ride with all the toys and looks to match and a sure bargain at that price.  Timing belt change at 105,000 or 10 years, mind you would be braver than me to take a chance!
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 19:50:03
This is tempting for the money....

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906239317726?atmobcid=soc4)
Thought I thought you were after a V8 petrol. Not a V6 tractor

 :-\

That caught my eye, still also like that XJ posted as well. I can hardly deploy full power of 3.2 on my commute so V8 would be a bit wasted. But still considering options.
A 2l tractor XF will probably have nearly the same power as a 3.2 Omega, if the opens up cheaper options (though I think at that age, the 4 pot diesels are a bit wheezy)

The 3l petrols from that era might be cost effective (not looked lately) as well.

If I went XF 4 pot diesel, it would be the later 2.0 engines. In the x260 shape around 2016 era.


Perhaps the very slightly smaller XE could be a consideration. :y

Not a fan of the back end looks of it, personally. I think XF is a better looking car

Looks are subjective but I find it hard to tell an XE from an XF.

Front yes, not from back though!
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 19:50:15
My son has one, eight speed box and goes very well, unbelievable on fuel returning 46 to 50mpg on a run without driving like miss daisy. The have a couple of faults one being they often crack inlet manifolds (especially if they’ve been remapped :D) but a lovely ride with all the toys and looks to match and a sure bargain at that price.  Timing belt change at 105,000 or 10 years, mind you would be braver than me to take a chance!

Thanks.  :y

What age/spec?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 September 2019, 20:10:14
Can you fit three child seats in it?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 20:14:48
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2019, 20:17:47
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 20:19:51
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

Rarely agree with you, but on this occasion we are aligned.

I would be expecting low to mid 30’s at best from V6 diesel, mid 40’s with 2.0 latest XF.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2019, 20:28:58
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

Rarely agree with you, but on this occasion we are aligned.

I would be expecting low to mid 30’s at best from V6 diesel, mid 40’s with 2.0 latest XF.
I suspect you will achieve better than me, given your style and your commute.  If I keep mine on the motorway and at 70mph, I reckon I'm in the genuine mid/high 30s. Cant prove it, as life is too short to do that over a whole tank.  I was doing well on this tank, but all ruined on my dash of mercy to get Mrs TB off the hard shoulder, and middle lane hoggers getting in my way, causing heavy braking and hard acceleration.

General consensus from those that have bothered checking (most owners don't, as Jaguar would never tell porkies, and the dealers are the best people to service/fix the car, because they make nice coffee) is Jags from that era over read by 10-15% at least
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 20:36:44
Just asked him he gets 50mpg sometimes, and he doesn’t crawl in it. I made a slight mistake on the car, it is a 2012, 3.0 diesel portfolio S. And does 75mph at 1200rpm in eighth.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 20:40:02
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response



Right let's have a bet then tomorrow I will be driving 350 ish miles I will reset when I leave my house and video the reset and video the trip computer reset then when I finish up at carlisle we will see what average I've got
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 20:54:42
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response



Right let's have a bet then tomorrow I will be driving 350 ish miles I will reset when I leave my house and video the reset and video the trip computer reset then when I finish up at carlisle we will see what average I've got

I think the point here is that the computer is not accurate.

He should do it old school way of brimming tank before and after and crunching numbers that way.  :y  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Viral_Jim on 22 September 2019, 21:01:20
The sh!troen Berlingo sets a new benchmark for inaccuracy. Towing horsebox full of furniture after emptying the former mother-in-law's house.

Trip computer 38.1mpg, brim to brim, 24.5.  :o
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:04:15
He’s old school don’t worry about that being my kid :y he’s going to do it both ways for us and report on Thursday it will be accurate :y and we will know how far the computer is out too (if it is on a 70grand car).
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:07:11
I can just beat that,  6.3 mpg at Donington park.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Viral_Jim on 22 September 2019, 21:09:11
£70 grand?!

Jeebus, I had no idea you could spend that much on an xf.  :o
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:13:18
Think the top of the rage as mentioned was that when new
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:25:34
53 grand, book but his has every available extra.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Viral_Jim on 22 September 2019, 21:26:38
I don't doubt it, it's just surprising - to me at least  ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:28:32
Me too >:(he’s earning far more than me ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 21:32:05
I am very tempted by XF-S, but concerned on reliability and my ability to service it.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 21:35:55
 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909021763666?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909021763666?atmobcid=soc4)

Hummmm. Also tempting!
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:39:05
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909021763666?atmobcid=soc4 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909021763666?atmobcid=soc4)

Hummmm. Also tempting!
.      Now you’re talking, that’s beautiful but check if it’s had a belt  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 21:48:07
What’s belt interval on these?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 21:54:35
I put it up earlier 105,000 or 10 years
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: YZ250 on 22 September 2019, 22:01:49
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response ......

My E92 330d would average mid 30's around town but could easily achieve 48mpg on a run. Figures are real world miles travelled from empty to full to empty again. That thing would go from my house to a place we stay in Cornwall and back on a tank, a round trip of over 526 miles, and I don't hang about. I loved that car, it had a cracking engine.  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 22 September 2019, 22:06:26
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response ......

My E92 330d would average mid 30's around town but could easily achieve 48mpg on a run. Figures are real world miles travelled from empty to full to empty again. That thing would go from my house to a place we stay in Cornwall and back on a tank, a round trip of over 526 miles, and I don't hang about. I loved that car, it had a cracking engine.  :y

How did you find the ride?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 September 2019, 22:10:43
Indeed these big long geared turbo diesels are only at a fast tickover at the legal limit very surprising.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: YZ250 on 22 September 2019, 22:23:11
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response ......

My E92 330d would average mid 30's around town but could easily achieve 48mpg on a run. Figures are real world miles travelled from empty to full to empty again. That thing would go from my house to a place we stay in Cornwall and back on a tank, a round trip of over 526 miles, and I don't hang about. I loved that car, it had a cracking engine.  :y

How did you find the ride?

I found it ok, even if it was running on 19's. The drivers seat automatically tightened the bolsters if you cornered fast, something my 4 series doesn't do. It was fast and economical.  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 September 2019, 09:22:07
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

But the wrong gearbox.....the 8 speed makes a massive MPG improvement (as it has the extra 2 cogs plus the ZF8 also locks the torque converter in every gear).
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2019, 09:52:30
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

But the wrong gearbox.....the 8 speed makes a massive MPG improvement (as it has the extra 2 cogs plus the ZF8 also locks the torque converter in every gear).

Was this fitted to X250?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2019, 10:12:06
It appears the X250's in 3.0-S trim around 2012/13 vintage, go for same amount of cash as 2016 X260 2.0's.

Given later 2.0's will be as punchy as my current 3.2, wonder if the 6 pot is needed. Think some test drives are required!
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Viral_Jim on 23 September 2019, 11:10:42
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

But the wrong gearbox.....the 8 speed makes a massive MPG improvement (as it has the extra 2 cogs plus the ZF8 also locks the torque converter in every gear).

Best gearbox of any car I've driven (had it in the M140i).
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:04:17
Looking good so far 84 miles and 60mpg showing!!
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2019, 12:06:52
Looking good so far 84 miles and 60mpg showing!!

Not sure I can believe that with a 3.0 V6, I could get similar when I had my VW CC, but that was a 2.0 manual.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:07:03
 It do r know how to post the pics he’ll show me when he’s home on thursday
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:08:41
I’m not asking you to believe anything and we are doing a brim and computer test (and it’s for you mostly) >:(
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2019, 12:12:37
I'm generally regarded as one of the most light footed here and can eeek the most MPG, my record was 76mpg with my VW back in the day on a very long motorway run at truck speeds.

I'm also strongly considering XF of that vintage, so keen to know outcome. But when a JLR employee here can get close to those figures, but on much newer 2.0 inline 4 pots. Not to sure how you can get 60mpg average from a 3.0 apart from the odd second on an instant consumption view.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:19:51
Christ read the post I said 84 miles ....and 60mpg so far....and I don’t care what others get or not the results will be posted and verified.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:23:18
Besides I’m just as surprised as you :o
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2019, 12:38:28
It’s a 2011 facelift XF 3.0. V6 diesel portfolio beautiful car.
Methinks his fuel computer is telling porkies, as no way will he get that sort of MPG unless driving everywhere at 50mpg.

My XJ - same engine, same weight - averages 32.5mpg over several tankfuls. Manually calculated, as the fuel computer is worse than a cheap watch.

But the wrong gearbox.....the 8 speed makes a massive MPG improvement (as it has the extra 2 cogs plus the ZF8 also locks the torque converter in every gear).

Was this fitted to X250?


My car has the 8 speed ZF auto and it is an excellent choice. Very smooth and the changes are extremely quick considering it is an old torque converter.

Top gear (8th) gives an almost 'dieselesque' 50 MPH/1000 RPM.

Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 12:54:08
Just to add, he’s had the cats removed and the dpf delete and remap around 330bhp and ridiculous torque figure (wonder who he’s following? ::) ::))don’t know how long it will last but been 3 years already and he certainly doesn’t pussy foot around, however I know he’s trying on this journey for mpg as I asked him to. :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 September 2019, 13:06:10
I'm generally regarded as one of the most light footed here and can eeek the most MPG, my record was 76mpg with my VW back in the day on a very long motorway run at truck speeds.

I'm also strongly considering XF of that vintage, so keen to know outcome. But when a JLR employee here can get close to those figures, but on much newer 2.0 inline 4 pots. Not to sure how you can get 60mpg average from a 3.0 apart from the odd second on an instant consumption view.

It can be done  :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: tunnie on 23 September 2019, 13:20:49
Just to add, he’s had the cats removed and the dpf delete and remap around 330bhp and ridiculous torque figure (wonder who he’s following? ::) ::))don’t know how long it will last but been 3 years already and he certainly doesn’t pussy foot around, however I know he’s trying on this journey for mpg as I asked him to. :y

Ahh ok so it’s been fiddled with a fair bit!!! Might explain much improved mpg over standard.

How was DPF delete done? As I recall MOT rules now check if ones fitted when it should be.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 13:31:41
No comment on any of that ;)  He says it’s a little better since the remap etc but not a lot,however it now has 50 bhp more too! And......... he changed the inlet manifolds before the map one was slightly leaking, Jaguar says they aren’t a weak point but they are, they have not said but the new pair he the fitted were discreetly upgraded from the original I would bet.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: YZ250 on 23 September 2019, 13:31:41
Just to add, he’s had the cats removed and the dpf delete and remap around 330bhp and ridiculous torque figure (wonder who he’s following? ::) ::))don’t know how long it will last but been 3 years already and he certainly doesn’t pussy foot around, however I know he’s trying on this journey for mpg as I asked him to. :y

Ahh ok so it’s been fiddled with a fair bit!!! Might explain much improved mpg over standard.

How was DPF delete done? As I recall MOT rules now check if ones fitted when it should be.

It might still be fitted but it might have been hollowed out just after a regen.  :-X
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 13:34:37
 ;) ;).   Just had an update 161.7 miles so far and average has gone up to 61.7 :)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 September 2019, 13:34:50
https://mobile.hyundai.co.uk/offers/scrappage-scheme

£2,700 off the i40. The diesel version of which will get to John O'Groats from the south coast on two thirds of a tank. And you won't have to waste time opening the bonnet :-X
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 September 2019, 14:02:23
https://mobile.hyundai.co.uk/offers/scrappage-scheme

£2,700 off the i40. The diesel version of which will get to John O'Groats from the south coast on two thirds of a tank. And you won't have to waste time opening the bonnet :-X


Is this figure off the full list price, or a hard negotiated figure?

One is much better than the other.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 September 2019, 14:33:12
Off the list price, but no harm in asking for more :y

Also any preregistered stock should be cheaper still :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 14:35:13
220 miles and 64.7 it’s getting better..I’ve changed the plan and asked him to brim it in Carlisle when he gets there.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2019, 18:44:32
He loves his car and when I told him his mpg was being questioned this was his response



Right let's have a bet then tomorrow I will be driving 350 ish miles I will reset when I leave my house and video the reset and video the trip computer reset then when I finish up at carlisle we will see what average I've got
I don't want his money. But get him to do a brim to brim test and calc manually. Then compare to FC.  He will find, if he's man enough to be honest, a significant discrepancy.

If he gets a genuine high 30s, even on a run, our ideas of Miss Daisy are radically different ;)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2019, 18:47:12
OK, many remaps do make the FC even more out.

So genuinely interested in the real figure.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2019, 18:48:51
I'm generally regarded as one of the most light footed here and can eeek the most MPG, my record was 76mpg with my VW back in the day on a very long motorway run at truck speeds.

I'm also strongly considering XF of that vintage, so keen to know outcome. But when a JLR employee here can get close to those figures, but on much newer 2.0 inline 4 pots. Not to sure how you can get 60mpg average from a 3.0 apart from the odd second on an instant consumption view.

It can be done  :y
Downhill, backwind, and not me driving.

I reckon it will be possible to get (genuine) high 40s/low 50s are a constant 50mpg, which will read over 60mpg on an older Jag FC
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: dave the builder on 23 September 2019, 18:49:14
maybe the trip is set to Kilometers/gallon not miles
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2019, 18:53:30
maybe the trip is set to Kilometers/gallon not miles
It don't allow that. MPG or l/100km
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 September 2019, 19:19:20
No heard off him yet, but 60 odd is surely impossible. However when he’s finished we will see how far it is out which it looks like it must be, but I know for a fact it will do at least high 40s as for miss daisy there’s a person on here who has had a spin with me and I’m sure he will let you know that I know what’s brisk and what’s crawling :y he’s sticking to around 70/75 and it’s Around 1300RPM
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 17:49:53
No heard off him yet, but 60 odd is surely impossible. However when he’s finished we will see how far it is out which it looks like it must be, but I know for a fact it will do at least high 40s as for miss daisy there’s a person on here who has had a spin with me and I’m sure he will let you know that I know what’s brisk and what’s crawling :y he’s sticking to around 70/75 and it’s Around 1300RPM
Genuine high 40s *IS* my idea of Miss Daisy. Genuine 35mpg is being slow.  Sub 30mpg over a tank is entirely, easily possible without trying. Guess how I know ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 17:55:51
 >:(my  Omega is returning around 13mpg on LPG it’s merciless  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 September 2019, 17:57:48
No heard off him yet, but 60 odd is surely impossible. However when he’s finished we will see how far it is out which it looks like it must be, but I know for a fact it will do at least high 40s as for miss daisy there’s a person on here who has had a spin with me and I’m sure he will let you know that I know what’s brisk and what’s crawling :y he’s sticking to around 70/75 and it’s Around 1300RPM

Did you manage to get that brown stain out of the passenger seat Rae?  ???  :-[

Sorry about that..  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 18:09:26
>:(my  Omega is returning around 13mpg on LPG it’s merciless  :'( :'(
With LPG, who cares :y.  Mind you, with any fuel, I don't care.

I remember a few years back, when testing something I'd done, putting £10 of petrol in the MV6, and managed less than 10 miles ;D. That was when petrol was about £5 a gallon.  Not sure I could average that low across a whole tank mind ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 18:23:20
No heard off him yet, but 60 odd is surely impossible. However when he’s finished we will see how far it is out which it looks like it must be, but I know for a fact it will do at least high 40s as for miss daisy there’s a person on here who has had a spin with me and I’m sure he will let you know that I know what’s brisk and what’s crawling :y he’s sticking to around 70/75 and it’s Around 1300RPM

Did you manage to get that brown stain out of the passenger seat Rae?  ???  :-[
Ha ha just about Steve :y
Sorry about that..  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 18:24:02
No heard off him yet, but 60 odd is surely impossible. However when he’s finished we will see how far it is out which it looks like it must be, but I know for a fact it will do at least high 40s as for miss daisy there’s a person on here who has had a spin with me and I’m sure he will let you know that I know what’s brisk and what’s crawling :y he’s sticking to around 70/75 and it’s Around 1300RPM

Did you manage to get that brown stain out of the passenger seat Rae?  ???  :-[
Ha ha just about Steve :y
Sorry about that..  ::)  ;D
.                 Ha ha, just about Steve.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 18:32:44
Right... just had the news, he’s just completed 560 miles, Carlisle/Leeds etc a little city driving too he’s has brimmed it and it took 49.79 Lts so it is known now that his recent journey mpg was 51MPG however the computer reads 57.6. So although that is amazing MPG for such a big comfortable car with all the toys..   the computer is 11% out!   I find that terrible for such a prestigious car Christ my Omega computer is by far more accurate than that :o



Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 18:51:58
Right... just had the news, he’s just completed 560 miles, Carlisle/Leeds etc a little city driving too he’s has brimmed it and it took 49.79 Lts so it is known now that his recent journey mpg was 51MPG however the computer reads 57.6. So although that is amazing MPG for such a big comfortable car with all the toys..   the computer is 11% out!   I find that terrible for such a prestigious car Christ my Omega computer is by far more accurate than that :o
Yup, all Jags until very recently over estimate by some margin.  Mention it on a Jag forum, and they claim every marque has inaccurate computers ;D. Bless 'em.

51MPG is still very, very Miss Daisy. I hope you remind him regularly ;D


Thanks for the info :y
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 18:53:22
Can you ask him if its the half fat 235bhp or full fat 275bhp (pre chipping)?

Although JLR state same economy, I wonder if there is a difference.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 18:56:48
It’s the 271 but 330 now.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 18:57:26
With every available extra except sunroof
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 19:00:13
It’s the 271 but 330 now.
So same lump as mine, except the chipping, although I'm ratio challenged being slightly older.  I don't think that will dramatically impact MPG, just the availability of suitable cogs in the middle.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 19:01:58
What’s your Rpm at 70/75?
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 19:12:31
What’s your Rpm at 70/75?
In top gear? No idea, because at 70ish, the car should be in 3rd gear ;)

I don't think top gear ratio is massively different between the 6/8 speeds, would have to look it up to confirm.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 19:14:13
Motorway driving the car will be in Eighth gear (if you have one :y ;D)
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2019, 19:18:11
Motorway driving the car will be in Eighth gear (if you have one :y ;D)
Only when I'm in works time ;).

I'll look up the ratios (or try mine - though mine likely has a different diff?).  Though using the FC, there is little difference in MPG when cruising between any gear that's high enough not to spool the 2nd turbo.
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 19:19:21
Yes could be a different final drive ratio too perhaps
Title: Re: Jaguar XF
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 September 2019, 19:53:51
Motorway driving the car will be in Eighth gear (if you have one :y ;D)
Only when I'm in works time ;).

I'll look up the ratios (or try mine - though mine likely has a different diff?).  Though using the FC, there is little difference in MPG when cruising between any gear that's high enough not to spool the 2nd turbo.
                Yes we don’t want the small turbo working too :y