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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 12 December 2019, 11:34:18
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Genuine interest or a bargaining tool for renewing his contract with Mercedes?
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Genuine interest or a bargaining tool for renewing his contract with Mercedes?
I think most top drivers want to drive the red car before they retire :y
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Genuine interest or a bargaining tool for renewing his contract with Mercedes?
I think most top drivers want to drive the red car before they retire :y
My Signum is red. I presume this is what you mean. :)
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Genuine interest or a bargaining tool for renewing his contract with Mercedes?
I think most top drivers want to drive the red car before they retire :y
Hamilton needs to be careful what he wishes for.
Most of his team mates have been pretty average. The young french boy may give him a shock. :)
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His team mates haven't been average. He just makes them look average. Remember Rosberg made Schumacher look very average indeed when they both drove Mercedes. Then Hamilton replaced Schumacher and made Rosberg look average.
Not that long ago Bottas was the next big thing, the future star etc. Then he moved up to race with the big boys and it became apparent he was fast, but couldn't be fast every race weekend over a whole season.
I think its a bargaining tool. Ferrari are shambolic much of the time and he is there to win races and Championships. I could possibly see him driving for them for a year right at the end of his career when he has no more records left to break, but other than that, he would be mad to go there.
However, much depends on the future of Mercedes and Woolff. Both are in a degree of doubt at the moment, and if Woolff leaves or Mercedes announce they are leaving to concentrate on Formula E, then all bets are off for Hamiltons future.
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Rosberg didn't look that average when he won the world championship.
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And he only won it because Hamilton had more breakdowns than he did that year. He was intelligent enough to realise he got lucky and would never get that lucky again, so immediately retired. He never once beat Hamilton in a straight fight on track.
To me, Hamilton is extremely under valued here in his home country. Outside the UK he is a global superstar.
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Rosberg didn't look that average when he won the world championship.
Yes.....and he was racing against a German who was 104 years old at the time.
Bottas......average.
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He won the Championship in 2016. Schumacher retired in 2012.
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He's talented. But not yet one of the greats IMHO.
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Try living in Spain. The best driver in the whole world is a guy called Sainz.
It is a very British thing not to be patriotic and talk our guys down. We are unique in that respect.
Why shouldnt he talk to Ferrari? Might be a better car? Might be more money? Might be less media gigs.
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Try living in Spain. The best driver in the whole world is a guy called Sainz.
It is a very British thing not to be patriotic and talk our guys down. We are unique in that respect.
Why shouldnt he talk to Ferrari? Might be a better car? Might be more money? Might be less media gigs.
And he's coming towards the end of his career, so if he wants to do the Ferrari thing, he has to soon....
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He's talented. But not yet one of the greats IMHO.
Why ?
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He's talented. But not yet one of the greats IMHO.
Why ?
Because he's not talented enough.
I even rate (pre retirement) Shithead Schu higher.
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I would like a bit more detail on that claim about his talent. I believe he is so talented he makes winning look easy.
The only drivers I have seen who could be compared with him on talent were Gilles Villeneuve and Senna.
The wins and championships don't tell the whole story as that isn't just about driving talent. His record on poles speaks volumes though. Qualifying is about driving the car as fast as it or the driver can get around the track, and he has no peers when it comes to qualifying.
Plus he very rarely makes any mistakes in any conditions or circumstances.
And as Ive said before, its well known Schuey and his cars were bent as a nine bob note, so we can never tell how talented he was or wasn't. He simply made no attempt to compete within the rules throughout his career. I can only imagine that he, or those around him had some serious dirt on Max Mosley, to be able to get away with the things they did.
Senna begged the Williams team to protest the Benetton, after he followed it around the track in 94. He said there was no doubt whatsoever it had traction control, which was banned at the time. Unfortunately Williams didn't want to rock the boat, and the rest, as they say, is history.
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Its hard to compare between eras. And there is talent, there is (controlled) desire, and there is those few that have both.
IMHO, Hamilton has a good degree of talent and of desire. But his peers are a bit wet really - Leclerc aside. Button, for example had loads more talent, though lacked the desire. Vettel has the desire, a bit of talent, but the desire is a bit uncontrolled. Hamilton is a Brit, so I support him in the same way I do/did other British winners, with a hint of rose tinted specs. I quite liked Mr Nice Guy Damon Hill - talented but Schu had more desire, and the big oaf reasonably talented Mansell. But that's more because they are Brits ;D
Shithead Schu, irrespective of how much over the rules his team went, had the talent and desire in abundance - though couldn't deal with the changed cars that happened during his retirement. Senna I think nobody would disagree with on the talent front. I also rated Prost to an extent, but accept he's French, so you will disagree no matter what ;D.
But I lack your confidence that Hamilton is one of the greats, and not sure he ever will be in my mind. His stats are good, but for me, most of that is because his peers are mostly a bunch of Nancy boy poofs*.
*actually, there was that rumour that Hamilton might have had a "liaison" with a well known footballer a couple of years back :P
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Its hard to compare between eras. And there is talent, there is (controlled) desire, and there is those few that have both.
IMHO, Hamilton has a good degree of talent and of desire. But his peers are a bit wet really - Leclerc aside. Button, for example had loads more talent, though lacked the desire. Vettel has the desire, a bit of talent, but the desire is a bit uncontrolled. Hamilton is a Brit, so I support him in the same way I do/did other British winners, with a hint of rose tinted specs. I quite liked Mr Nice Guy Damon Hill - talented but Schu had more desire, and the big oaf reasonably talented Mansell. But that's more because they are Brits ;D
Shithead Schu, irrespective of how much over the rules his team went, had the talent and desire in abundance - though couldn't deal with the changed cars that happened during his retirement. Senna I think nobody would disagree with on the talent front. I also rated Prost to an extent, but accept he's French, so you will disagree no matter what ;D.
But I lack your confidence that Hamilton is one of the greats, and not sure he ever will be in my mind. His stats are good, but for me, most of that is because his peers are mostly a bunch of Nancy boy poofs*.
*actually, there was that rumour that Hamilton might have had a "liaison" with a well known footballer a couple of years back :P
.....and because he has the best car. :)
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Its hard to compare between eras. And there is talent, there is (controlled) desire, and there is those few that have both.
IMHO, Hamilton has a good degree of talent and of desire. But his peers are a bit wet really - Leclerc aside. Button, for example had loads more talent, though lacked the desire. Vettel has the desire, a bit of talent, but the desire is a bit uncontrolled. Hamilton is a Brit, so I support him in the same way I do/did other British winners, with a hint of rose tinted specs. I quite liked Mr Nice Guy Damon Hill - talented but Schu had more desire, and the big oaf reasonably talented Mansell. But that's more because they are Brits ;D
Shithead Schu, irrespective of how much over the rules his team went, had the talent and desire in abundance - though couldn't deal with the changed cars that happened during his retirement. Senna I think nobody would disagree with on the talent front. I also rated Prost to an extent, but accept he's French, so you will disagree no matter what ;D.
But I lack your confidence that Hamilton is one of the greats, and not sure he ever will be in my mind. His stats are good, but for me, most of that is because his peers are mostly a bunch of Nancy boy poofs*.
*actually, there was that rumour that Hamilton might have had a "liaison" with a well known footballer a couple of years back :P
He is just a little bit camp. :)
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Its hard to compare between eras. And there is talent, there is (controlled) desire, and there is those few that have both.
IMHO, Hamilton has a good degree of talent and of desire. But his peers are a bit wet really - Leclerc aside. Button, for example had loads more talent, though lacked the desire. Vettel has the desire, a bit of talent, but the desire is a bit uncontrolled. Hamilton is a Brit, so I support him in the same way I do/did other British winners, with a hint of rose tinted specs. I quite liked Mr Nice Guy Damon Hill - talented but Schu had more desire, and the big oaf reasonably talented Mansell. But that's more because they are Brits ;D
Shithead Schu, irrespective of how much over the rules his team went, had the talent and desire in abundance - though couldn't deal with the changed cars that happened during his retirement. Senna I think nobody would disagree with on the talent front. I also rated Prost to an extent, but accept he's French, so you will disagree no matter what ;D.
But I lack your confidence that Hamilton is one of the greats, and not sure he ever will be in my mind. His stats are good, but for me, most of that is because his peers are mostly a bunch of Nancy boy poofs*.
*actually, there was that rumour that Hamilton might have had a "liaison" with a well known footballer a couple of years back :P
.....and because he has the best car. :)
He hasn't had the best car for most of this year, or last year, and he definitely didn't have the best car when he won the championship at McLaren.
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P.S. Who did Schumacher have for competition during his glory years ? Jacque Villenueve for one season until he took his career down a blind alley with the BAR debacle. Then Hakkinen for a couple of years when McLaren produced a really quick car. Hakkinen wasn't much quicker than Coulthard, though, which suggests to me that he wasn't that special.
Schumie had it relatively easy competition wise throughout his career, especially as his team mates were never ever allowed to beat him.
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Never mind all that. Seems there are only two Hamilton fans on the forum. Hey Ho.
At least we have the spectacle of Bottas 3.0 to look forward to next year with yet another new assault on the world championship only to end up the worst team mate of any team ( except perhaps Red Bull.) Bottas has his fans apparently. ::)
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Good driver, but I can’t fu)in& stand the prick.
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Bottas 2.77 apparently for next year. At least he has a sense of humour. ;D
Eddie Jordan predicts Toto Wolff to go to Ferrari with Hamilton in 2020. That would be when Vettel finally retires as he couldn't go back to Red Bull and be thrashed by Max.
Hamilton Leclerc. Good pairing. Leclerc would learn from Hamilton and become a rounded driver to be their number one when Hamilton retires.
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Well, it aint gonna happen then. Eddie Jordan has never been right in any of his predictions. The wee Leprechaun, he talks shite.