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Title: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Varche on 31 January 2020, 22:19:25
Gone down here in Euroland.

Is it going down in the UK?

Could it be usage has dropped in China due to lock down? More price drops to come with a glut?
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 31 January 2020, 22:29:02
Oil prices have dropped due to lack of demand because China is closed.
On January 7th it was $72 a barrel, currently $58
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: biggriffin on 01 February 2020, 08:39:32
O and they will pass the drop in price, back to the customer, because there nice people..   

I think last time crude was $50-$55 a barrel, petrol was about a £1..   
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 February 2020, 13:15:11
No, they have gone up!
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 01 February 2020, 14:29:06
Down 1p per litre on average.

Whooooopey!! ::) ::) ::)

 :D ;)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 05 February 2020, 11:10:01
Asda diesel this morning 120.7p.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 10:41:43
Asda diesel £118.7 this morning.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 February 2020, 10:46:53
Not for long if rumours that the Chancellor plans to increase fuel duty in the forthcoming budget are true.  ::)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 10:51:36
Not for long if rumours that the Chancellor plans to increase fuel duty in the forthcoming budget are true.  ::)
Not this March budget, may later in the year. I think an extra 2-3p on a litre fuel wouldn't be a massive cost for the average driver, especially when you see different forecourts with as much as 12p difference. But I think there should be some relief for hauliers.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 10:54:28
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 February 2020, 10:55:09
Like free parking on smart motorways?
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 10:56:04
Like free parking on smart motorways?
Erm...yes....I think. What are you on about?  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 February 2020, 10:56:55
Like free parking on smart motorways?
Erm...yes....I think. What are you on about?  ;D
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.
Equally, those that can afford it could have a private element using NHS facilities. We get proper health care, and they get paid...
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 February 2020, 10:57:26
Like free parking on smart motorways?
Erm...yes....I think. What are you on about?  ;D
Haulier relief ;)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 February 2020, 11:20:49
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.

You think the NHS is short of money ?
Higher taxation almost always causes more problems than it solves. Every Labour Govt. in history should have learned this lesson, but they never have, which is why most people in work vote Tory.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 11:41:24
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.

You think the NHS is short of money ?
Higher taxation almost always causes more problems than it solves. Every Labour Govt. in history should have learned this lesson, but they never have, which is why most people in work vote Tory.
It doesn't matter what I think. The manifesto promised no rises in NI, Income tax or VAT, so they will have to find more creative ways of squeezing our pips.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Viral_Jim on 26 February 2020, 11:46:06
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.

You think the NHS is short of money ?
Higher taxation almost always causes more problems than it solves. Every Labour Govt. in history should have learned this lesson, but they never have, which is why most people in work vote Tory.

I think it depends on exactly how much you increase taxation. When it comes to personal tax, we still have some of the lowest rates in Europe, particularly for middle to high earners. That said, if you get towards some of the nonsense Labour tried in the 1970's, its easy to see why people don't play ball.

It doesn't matter what I think. The manifesto promised no rises in NI, Income tax or VAT, so they will have to find more creative ways of squeezing our pips.

Yes, because manifestos are typically set in stone.... :y

TBH, until Labour cotton on to the idea that they first and foremost need a leader who is actually electable, the tories are free to do more or less as they choose.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 12:03:01
I think Boris will stick to those pledges.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Rangie on 26 February 2020, 12:13:52
Never bother even checking prices , just fill them up when necessary I've got pals at work who drive out of their normal route just to save a few pence seems daft to me.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 13:06:50
Asda diesel £118.7 this morning.

When I can get it I pay about £1.24 for 99 octane rocket fuel for the Tata......... :)

Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 13:10:43
Momentum I believe they call it.

Nothing to do with comrade Corbyn. :)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 February 2020, 14:13:57
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.

You think the NHS is short of money ?
Higher taxation almost always causes more problems than it solves. Every Labour Govt. in history should have learned this lesson, but they never have, which is why most people in work vote Tory.

I think it depends on exactly how much you increase taxation. When it comes to personal tax, we still have some of the lowest rates in Europe, particularly for middle to high earners. That said, if you get towards some of the nonsense Labour tried in the 1970's, its easy to see why people don't play ball.

It doesn't matter what I think. The manifesto promised no rises in NI, Income tax or VAT, so they will have to find more creative ways of squeezing our pips.

Yes, because manifestos are typically set in stone.... :y

TBH, until Labour cotton on to the idea that they first and foremost need a leader who is actually electable, the tories are free to do more or less as they choose.

We are more highly taxed than we have been since the Labour nonsense in the 70,s. Much of the rest of Europe is addicted to ever increasing taxes, which is why their economies are in terminal decline.
As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.
An NHS consultant pretty much told me this less than a fortnight ago. He now tells his patients to completely ignore the wholeNHS appointment system and its associated bureaucracy, and deal with him via personal email as that is the only way he can even attempt to give his patients the treatment they need.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Viral_Jim on 26 February 2020, 14:38:27

As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.

This I agree with, in part. Its biggest issues are a) advancements in medical science, which are expensive and people believe should be provided free at the point of use, most of which link to quality of life, which was not in the remit of the original NHS. b) a rapidly ageing population. Only about half of employed people pay any income tax at all (and about 1/3 is paid by the top 1% of earners). While it has been funded comparatively well of late, what hasn't been is social care, particularly for adults, which pushes a significant burden onto the NHS for activities which, by rights should never have been with its remit.

NHS inefficiency is probably the most well loved UK cliche but if you compare it to other systems, it is reasonably efficient, but doesn't produce as strong health outcomes as some other systems.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 26 February 2020, 14:40:02
I called the GP this morning to try and get an appointment .. according to the receptionist I don't need one.

Good to know that the reception staff are highly trained medical personnel these days  :y :D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Viral_Jim on 26 February 2020, 14:52:54
 :D

Our local one has a system where you ring up, speak to a GP and they do an initial assessment over the phone.

I like this method as it weeds out those with the sniffles and the old people who just want somewhere out of the rain where they can go and talk at someone until Weatherspoons opens.

Funnily enough, when I phoned to say I'd just got off a plane from China, felt like cr@p and had a rash, they had an appointment for me that morning  ;D.*


* I should add this was 2017, before anyone labels me as a Covid 19 carrier.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 15:35:39
I called the GP this morning to try and get an appointment .. according to the receptionist I don't need one.

Good to know that the reception staff are highly trained medical personnel these days  :y :D

What really annoys me is when the receptionist (usually in front of a line of waiting people) asks " What do you want to see the doctor for?"

I always tell the middle aged menopausal bitch that I will discuss such things with the doctor and not her. The NHS seems to delight in employing receptionists who lack discretion. Gobby slappers who probably can't keep their gob shut after a couple of gins.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: BazaJT on 26 February 2020, 15:38:06
My GP has a similar system where you first speak to a receptionist explaining your problem/symptoms and then have a "phone consultation" with the doctor and a course of action is then decided from there.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 15:40:46
My GP has a similar system where you first speak to a receptionist explaining your problem/symptoms and then have a "phone consultation" with the doctor and a course of action is then decided from there.

The job of any receptionist is to arrange an appointment to see the doctor. ........and nothing more. :)

They have no medical training. They are not doctors , just like to believe they are. :-\

 :)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 16:28:39
I just tell the receptionist something like I have a huge growth on my arsehole, that stops them dead. Then I tell the doctor what's really going on. There is no communication between receptionist and doctor, so they're non the wiser.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 26 February 2020, 16:29:41
I just tell the receptionist something like I have a huge growth on my arsehole, that stops them dead. Then I tell the doctor what's really going on. There is no communication between receptionist and doctor, so they're non the wiser.

But.. how are you getting on with that huge growth?  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 26 February 2020, 16:30:58
* I should add this was 2017, before anyone labels me as a Covid 19 carrier.

Hm. In China three years before the outbreak. Weren't you due to go there again, or have been there again, recently?

Clearly not the carrier but rather ground zero  :P :D Where's a helpful Admin? Can someone rename Jimmy944 to Typhoid Jimmy? ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 16:31:59
I just tell the receptionist something like I have a huge growth on my arsehole, that stops them dead. Then I tell the doctor what's really going on. There is no communication between receptionist and doctor, so they're non the wiser.

But.. how are you getting on with that huge growth?  ;D
It's actually around the front directly opposite said areshole and it hasn't seen huge for quite some years now.  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 16:32:38
* I should add this was 2017, before anyone labels me as a Covid 19 carrier.

Hm. In China three years before the outbreak. Weren't you due to go there again, or have been there again, recently?

Clearly not the carrier but rather ground zero  :P :D Where's a helpful Admin? Can someone rename Jimmy944 to Typhoid Jimmy? ;D
Jimmy the virus  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 16:33:18
Ahem.....anyway.....I see fuel prices are down  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 16:52:11
* I should add this was 2017, before anyone labels me as a Covid 19 carrier.

Hm. In China three years before the outbreak. Weren't you due to go there again, or have been there again, recently?

Clearly not the carrier but rather ground zero  :P :D Where's a helpful Admin? Can someone rename Jimmy944 to Typhoid Jimmy? ;D
Jimmy the virus  ;D
Viral_Jim.........near enough  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: TheBoy on 26 February 2020, 18:11:53
Been 124.9 for lorry juice here since long before the media started wanking themselves over an ineffective virus.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: biggriffin on 26 February 2020, 19:27:27
I'm gonna get shot here, but I also think that 1-2p on income tax would not affect people that much, but would certainly make a difference to the money available for NHS, etc.

You think the NHS is short of money ?
Higher taxation almost always causes more problems than it solves. Every Labour Govt. in history should have learned this lesson, but they never have, which is why most people in work vote Tory.

I think it depends on exactly how much you increase taxation. When it comes to personal tax, we still have some of the lowest rates in Europe, particularly for middle to high earners. That said, if you get towards some of the nonsense Labour tried in the 1970's, its easy to see why people don't play ball.

It doesn't matter what I think. The manifesto promised no rises in NI, Income tax or VAT, so they will have to find more creative ways of squeezing our pips.

Yes, because manifestos are typically set in stone.... :y

TBH, until Labour cotton on to the idea that they first and foremost need a leader who is actually electable, the tories are free to do more or less as they choose.

We are more highly taxed than we have been since the Labour nonsense in the 70,s. Much of the rest of Europe is addicted to ever increasing taxes, which is why their economies are in terminal decline.
As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.
An NHS consultant pretty much told me this less than a fortnight ago. He now tells his patients to completely ignore the wholeNHS appointment system and its associated bureaucracy, and deal with him via personal email as that is the only way he can even attempt to give his patients the treatment they need.


 We are taxed more indirectly, than directly, that's why council tax goes up every year,so councils get shouted at not HMG.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 19:37:27

As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.

This I agree with, in part. Its biggest issues are a) advancements in medical science, which are expensive and people believe should be provided free at the point of use, most of which link to quality of life, which was not in the remit of the original NHS. b) a rapidly ageing population. Only about half of employed people pay any income tax at all (and about 1/3 is paid by the top 1% of earners). While it has been funded comparatively well of late, what hasn't been is social care, particularly for adults, which pushes a significant burden onto the NHS for activities which, by rights should never have been with its remit.

NHS inefficiency is probably the most well loved UK cliche but if you compare it to other systems, it is reasonably efficient, but doesn't produce as strong health outcomes as some other systems.

This argument is a red herring.

The burden of tax as  a percentage of earnings has always fallen on the poor.

For example. When the poor man fills his shagged out old Vectra   with petrol he pays the same tax  and VAT as the rich man. However, as a proportion of his wages the poor man pays far more.

Besides, most wealthy people and business corporations employ bent tax lawyers to avoid paying tax in the first place. Just look at Amazon and Starbucks, they pay SFA.  :-\

 
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 February 2020, 20:39:18
Whats the point of letting politicians take your money. They only waste it. Might as well hang on to it if you can and spend it how you see fit. You did earn it after all.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 20:47:21

As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.

This I agree with, in part. Its biggest issues are a) advancements in medical science, which are expensive and people believe should be provided free at the point of use, most of which link to quality of life, which was not in the remit of the original NHS. b) a rapidly ageing population. Only about half of employed people pay any income tax at all (and about 1/3 is paid by the top 1% of earners). While it has been funded comparatively well of late, what hasn't been is social care, particularly for adults, which pushes a significant burden onto the NHS for activities which, by rights should never have been with its remit.

NHS inefficiency is probably the most well loved UK cliche but if you compare it to other systems, it is reasonably efficient, but doesn't produce as strong health outcomes as some other systems.

This argument is a red herring.

The burden of tax as  a percentage of earnings has always fallen on the poor.

For example. When the poor man fills his shagged out old Vectra   with petrol he pays the same tax  and VAT as the rich man. However, as a proportion of his wages the poor man pays far more.

Besides, most wealthy people and business corporations employ bent tax lawyers to avoid paying tax in the first place. Just look at Amazon and Starbucks, they pay SFA.  :-\

 
This was JC's assertion in the bible...........and look what happened to him.  :-X
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Rods2 on 27 February 2020, 12:37:07

As for the NHS. Gormless McRuin more than doubled its budget and made it worse in the process. Its problem isn't money. Its problem is that it doesn't work and cant work in the 21st century. Someone needs to scrap the whole thing and start over again with a clean sheet of paper.

This I agree with, in part. Its biggest issues are a) advancements in medical science, which are expensive and people believe should be provided free at the point of use, most of which link to quality of life, which was not in the remit of the original NHS. b) a rapidly ageing population. Only about half of employed people pay any income tax at all (and about 1/3 is paid by the top 1% of earners). While it has been funded comparatively well of late, what hasn't been is social care, particularly for adults, which pushes a significant burden onto the NHS for activities which, by rights should never have been with its remit.

NHS inefficiency is probably the most well loved UK cliche but if you compare it to other systems, it is reasonably efficient, but doesn't produce as strong health outcomes as some other systems.

This argument is a red herring.

The burden of tax as  a percentage of earnings has always fallen on the poor.

For example. When the poor man fills his shagged out old Vectra   with petrol he pays the same tax  and VAT as the rich man. However, as a proportion of his wages the poor man pays far more.

Besides, most wealthy people and business corporations employ bent tax lawyers to avoid paying tax in the first place. Just look at Amazon and Starbucks, they pay SFA.  :-\

 

Companies articles of association will be along the lines of making profits and paying dividends & to maximise the shareholders dividends, which is a directors fundicial duty. If they don't minimise the tax they pay according to HMG corporate tax guides then they can quite rightly be sued by the shareholders & being US companies the first thing with any perceived shareholder gripe is to reach for your lawyer.

Lord Opti obviously feels he is not getting enough free stuff from HMG, where he should be legally able to steal more of other peoples hard earned economic output. :(

If I'm earning over £150k a year & pay myself dividends from each £100k earned beyond this. then this is the tax you will pay:

£100,000 x 0.8 = £80,000. VAT on sales
£80,000 x 0.81 = £64,800. 19% advanced corporation tax where you can only pay dividends out of profits.
£64,800 x 0.625 = £42,750. 37.5% Income tax.
£42,750 x 0.8 = £34,200. When you actually use the personal money to buy something useful which will then mostly attract VAT.

So out of your £100,000 of hard earned economic output you get to spend £34,200 & the government steals £65,800. If you sensibly have the red line that you keep a minimum of 50.1% of your economic output then you move to IOM, Channel Islands, Virgin Islands et al, Monorco (there is a waiting list so it can take time to do this), Dubai or Singapore. I know quite a few people that have done this & HMG now collects less tax from 45% taxpayers than at 40%, but of course to the left it is not about raising revenue, but appeasing their jealousy & punishing entrepreneurs risk taking, skill, hard work & success where they use our capitalist system to have a comfortable life. Many at the same time will also relocate some or all of their business interests so the UK gets poorer & wage inflation/standard of living for mr & mrs average is reduced. UK still attracts inward investment where is is the least worst in Western Europe for this and where we speak the global language of business English. GMT is also an advantage with +/- 12 hours East to West for time zones.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 13:18:19
What annoys me is how deferential the government (both Labour and Tory) is to big business, and how little tax they are made to pay. HMRC and big business will have a 'cosy little chat'  and agree on a paltry insignificant figure. Then it is smiles all round.

When I have a dispute with a taxman he tells me he will cut off my balls if I don't pay. I will then be sent to prison to share my 'shower time' with an assortment of sodomites and murderers.

Oh to be wealthy. :)

Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 27 February 2020, 13:41:16
Oh to be wealthy. :)

Wealthy starts lower down than you think - if you own your own home, many would consider you wealthy ;)

I definitely fall into that category, which means the tax man bends me over ever year and, trust me, there is no escaping that.

I think what you mean is either:
Oh to be a business with a large turnover, or;
Oh to be in the top 0.5%

(See where you fall - remember it includes the value of your home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:23:02
Oh to be wealthy. :)

Wealthy starts lower down than you think - if you own your own home, many would consider you wealthy ;)

I definitely fall into that category, which means the tax man bends me over ever year and, trust me, there is no escaping that.

I think what you mean is either:
Oh to be a business with a large turnover, or;
Oh to be in the top 0.5%

(See where you fall - remember it includes the value of your home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth)
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That can't be right, Aaron. Those figures put me in the top 1%.

I am fortunate to own more than one property but they are quite modest.

I consider myself pretty average.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Andy B on 27 February 2020, 14:24:09
....
Oh to be in the top 0.5%

(See where you fall - remember it includes the value of your home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth)

There was one of these telly programmes the other day where 2 families, poles apart, swapped lifestyles. Can't think what the 'poor' family did, but he earned c£25k, but in the 'rich' family, he was a surgeon/consultant  :-\ :-\ and she was a general 'entrepreneur' and were in the top 1% of earners.
They swapped holidays ... a week in Isle of Wight vs a week's safari in Africa. The 'cheap holiday' was a little under £1000 but the expensive holiday was just shy of £27000 ....  :o :o :o :o for a week's holiday!!!!!

There are definitely the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Andy B on 27 February 2020, 14:25:54
.....

That can't be right, Aaron. Those figures put me in the top 1%.

I am fortunate to own more than one property but they are quite modest.

I consider myself pretty average.

I'm in the top 5% (just) then but that's only because of my house .....
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:27:53
....
Oh to be in the top 0.5%

(See where you fall - remember it includes the value of your home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth)

There was one of these telly programmes the other day where 2 families, poles apart, swapped lifestyles. Can't think what the 'poor' family did, but he earned c£25k, but in the 'rich' family, he was a surgeon/consultant  :-\ :-\ and she was a general 'entrepreneur' and were in the top 1% of earners.
They swapped holidays ... a week in Isle of Wight vs a week's safari in Africa. The 'cheap holiday' was a little under £1000 but the expensive holiday was just shy of £27000 ....  :o :o :o :o for a week's holiday!!!!!

There are definitely the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS

I consider a wet week in Rhyl to be a good holiday.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:29:25
.....

That can't be right, Aaron. Those figures put me in the top 1%.

I am fortunate to own more than one property but they are quite modest.

I consider myself pretty average.

I'm in the top 5% (just) then but that's only because of my house .....

It looks like those figures are from 2004/5.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:34:01
If you take the whole world as your reference point rather than the UK, I imagine everyone on here would be in the top 1%

There are literally billions of 'properly poor' people in the world. :-\
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 27 February 2020, 14:36:59
If you take the whole world as your reference point rather than the UK, I imagine everyone on here would be in the top 1%

Exactly ;)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 14:46:39
Oh to be wealthy. :)

Wealthy starts lower down than you think - if you own your own home, many would consider you wealthy ;)

I definitely fall into that category, which means the tax man bends me over ever year and, trust me, there is no escaping that.

I think what you mean is either:
Oh to be a business with a large turnover, or;
Oh to be in the top 0.5%

(See where you fall - remember it includes the value of your home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth)
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That can't be right, Aaron. Those figures put me in the top 1%.

I am fortunate to own more than one property but they are quite modest.

I consider myself pretty average.
Because we live in Yorkshire and the Humber, where house prices are very low, we come way down on that list, but in the top 5% for after tax household income. You can't just take one set of figures. People in the north would be very wealthy on about 30% of what you would need in the south. Demographics come into it and it's silly to give figures for the whole of the UK.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 14:49:40
And as for you considering yourself average, Opti, driving around in a car costing twice the average wage....... ::)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:51:53
If you take the whole world as your reference point rather than the UK, I imagine everyone on here would be in the top 1%

Exactly ;)

Yes.....it's all relative.

Billions don't own a house, or car. They live in a shack with a mud floor located right next to an open sewer, where their barefoot kids only form of entertainment is to play with the rabid dogs that roam about. :-\

 
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:53:09
And as for you considering yourself average, Opti, driving around in a car costing twice the average wage....... ::)

When it was new. :)

Worth SFA now. :)

Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 14:53:22
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 14:59:33
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 15:05:40
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 15:08:33
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 15:11:02
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 February 2020, 15:20:49
Speaking of which. My boss told me yesterday that he spends £350 a month on meds for his 12 year old dog. He looked a bitpissed off when I opined that surely a new dog would be a far cheaper option.
Don't mind people loving their dogs, but £350 a month for meds is beyond ridiculous ffs. They aren't people.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 15:27:19
Speaking of which. My boss told me yesterday that he spends £350 a month on meds for his 12 year old dog. He looked a bitpissed off when I opined that surely a new dog would be a far cheaper option.
Don't mind people loving their dogs, but £350 a month for meds is beyond ridiculous ffs. They aren't people.
It's a difficult one, Albs. To someone who doesn't own a dog, it's ridiculous. But to someone who spends most of the day with the dog, and has done for the last ten years or so, it's not.
Plus, £350 a month might not be a lot of money to your boss.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 15:29:47
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.

Sleeping contentedly on fillet steak and lobster, no doubt.

Dogs used to be happy with scraps and a kick up the arse. :)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 15:30:27
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.

Sleeping contentedly on fillet steak and lobster, no doubt.

Dogs used to be happy with scraps and a kick up the arse. :)
So did most kids where I grew up.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 15:33:18
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.

Sleeping contentedly on fillet steak and lobster, no doubt.

Dogs used to be happy with scraps and a kick up the arse. :)
So did most kids where I grew up.

Which bit?

The fillet steak, or a good hiding from the old man when he came back pissed from the pub?
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 15:34:24
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.

Sleeping contentedly on fillet steak and lobster, no doubt.

Dogs used to be happy with scraps and a kick up the arse. :)
So did most kids where I grew up.

Which bit?

The fillet steak, or a good hiding from the old man when he came back pissed from the pub?
The latter. Funny you should mention the bit about the pub..........
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 15:39:56
https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0   ;D


I like the ' brown baby' sketch.

Probably wouldn't show it these days. ;D ;D
Don't change the subject, you are considerably richer than 99% of the population.  ;D

Well, even by your own figures, you are 'considerably richer' than 95% of  people in the UK.

Rich bastard. ;)
I have a high maintenance dog.

Sleeping contentedly on fillet steak and lobster, no doubt.

Dogs used to be happy with scraps and a kick up the arse. :)
So did most kids where I grew up.

Which bit?

The fillet steak, or a good hiding from the old man when he came back pissed from the pub?
The latter. Funny you should mention the bit about the pub..........

My 'old man' was a talented commercial artist. He was more likely to enjoy a small sherry or single malt rather than 15 pints of'wife beater' at the local drinking pit. :)



Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Viral_Jim on 27 February 2020, 15:45:44
Speaking of which. My boss told me yesterday that he spends £350 a month on meds for his 12 year old dog. He looked a bitpissed off when I opined that surely a new dog would be a far cheaper option.
Don't mind people loving their dogs, but £350 a month for meds is beyond ridiculous ffs. They aren't people.
It's a difficult one, Albs. To someone who doesn't own a dog, it's ridiculous. But to someone who spends most of the day with the dog, and has done for the last ten years or so, it's not.
Plus, £350 a month might not be a lot of money to your boss.

Crazy isn't it, I've heard some people spend that much on their children!  :o
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: aaronjb on 27 February 2020, 16:06:21
Billions don't own a house, or car. They live in a shack with a mud floor located right next to an open sewer, where their barefoot kids only form of entertainment is to play with the rabid dogs that roam about. :-\

And that's just in Hull..
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Varche on 27 February 2020, 17:04:48
Speaking of which. My boss told me yesterday that he spends £350 a month on meds for his 12 year old dog. He looked a bitpissed off when I opined that surely a new dog would be a far cheaper option.
Don't mind people loving their dogs, but £350 a month for meds is beyond ridiculous ffs. They aren't people.
It's a difficult one, Albs. To someone who doesn't own a dog, it's ridiculous. But to someone who spends most of the day with the dog, and has done for the last ten years or so, it's not.
Plus, £350 a month might not be a lot of money to your boss.

The other thing to think about is that £350 a week is going back into the economy . We went to a posh hotel today for a coffee and a sandwich. Very nice. The family at the next table had about 350 euros of food and drink!
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: STEMO on 27 February 2020, 17:24:25
Speaking of which. My boss told me yesterday that he spends £350 a month on meds for his 12 year old dog. He looked a bitpissed off when I opined that surely a new dog would be a far cheaper option.
Don't mind people loving their dogs, but £350 a month for meds is beyond ridiculous ffs. They aren't people.
It's a difficult one, Albs. To someone who doesn't own a dog, it's ridiculous. But to someone who spends most of the day with the dog, and has done for the last ten years or so, it's not.
Plus, £350 a month might not be a lot of money to your boss.

The other thing to think about is that £350 a week is going back into the economy . We went to a posh hotel today for a coffee and a sandwich. Very nice. The family at the next table had about 350 euros of food and drink!
£350 a month, yes. £350 a week, the injection.
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 February 2020, 17:29:25
Billions don't own a house, or car. They live in a shack with a mud floor located right next to an open sewer, where their barefoot kids only form of entertainment is to play with the rabid dogs that roam about. :-\

And that's just in Hull..

The nice part. :)
Title: Re: Fuel prices down?
Post by: BazaJT on 27 February 2020, 20:53:42
Yes the price of Woad round here is getting extortionate too :D :D ;D ;D