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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 01 February 2020, 23:59:46
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US and Australia are limiting entry.
Whole cities in China are locked down.
How does that work apart from people just stay home.
If lock down came to a town/city near you, how do you keep getting water, food, electric, gas? How do you pay for it? There are so many issues that will arise after only a few weeks.
Anyone know?
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Australia has always been a bit sensitive when it comes to border controls, and the US are only building a wall next to Mexico so that they don't have to shoot refugees.
There are whole cities in China with no residents.
Exactly this... if after two weeks they haven't contracted anything, then presumably they can go back to the factory, if they have displayed symptoms, then presumably they will either be given treatment or have succumbed.
Utilities get delivered automatically. We'll, they do here, in spite of Brexit ::) . For food, most grocery shops deliver, so dumping stuff on the step and running away will continue. Direct debits and cards, much like normal.
Much like SARS, this will work its way through and in a couple of months, the next big thing will take over. Some will survive and some won't but don't expect roadkill and fish to be on the same market stall ever again.
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That was obviously tongue firmly in cheek, but unless you are Chinese, I wouldn't be unduly worried...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
304 deaths, all Chinese, out of 14,600 global cases. And that means 304 fatalities from a population of 1,400,000,000 Chinese.
Or 304 out of 7,800,000,000 globally.
Or 73/7000000ths of the Chinese population.
There's an awfully large amount of scaremongering going on in the media.
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That was obviously tongue firmly in cheek, but unless you are Chinese, I wouldn't be unduly worried...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
304 deaths, all Chinese, out of 14,600 global cases. And that means 304 fatalities from a population of 1,400,000,000 Chinese.
Or 304 out of 7,800,000,000 globally.
Or 73/7000000ths of the Chinese population.
There's an awfully large amount of scaremongering going on in the media.
Isn't that the truth! :y :y
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Whole cities in China are locked down.
How does that work apart from people just stay home.
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In China? I would imagine it's something along the lines of "Stay at home or get mown down by a tank." ;)
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Some information here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51305566
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See, hysterical over reaction.
No different to panic buying milk on Christmas Eve.
And for the record, not that the Beeb will bother reporting it, nearly 100 more people have been cured than have died.
And we're still only talking about an infintisimally small percentage of the population. Even if you were only talking about the population of Wuhan...
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There was a fatality in the Philippines today. :(
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There was a fatality in the Philippines today. :(
Also Chinese...
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See, hysterical over reaction.
No different to panic buying milk on Christmas Eve.
And for the record, not that the Beeb will bother reporting it, nearly 100 more people have been cured than have died.
And we're still only talking about an infintisimally small percentage of the population. Even if you were only talking about the population of Wuhan...
But but, I'm sure in the other thread Rods just told us that 5 billion people will die in the next 28 days or some such.. which one of you is right!? :P ;D
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Chinese stock market re opens today after their lunar new year break. Down 9% , about 460 billion.
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See, hysterical over reaction.
No different to panic buying milk on Christmas Eve.
And for the record, not that the Beeb will bother reporting it, nearly 100 more people have been cured than have died.
And we're still only talking about an infintisimally small percentage of the population. Even if you were only talking about the population of Wuhan...
But but, I'm sure in the other thread Rods just told us that 5 billion people will die in the next 28 days or some such.. which one of you is right!? :P ;D
No, he actually suggested 5 billion will be INFECTED within the next 28 days, so on current mortality rates the actual number of deaths will be no where near those witnessed in recent or, especially, distant history.
Remember the worst ever as a percentage of deaths of an entire population was the Black Death of 1347 to around 1351 across Europe was 50 million, or approximately 60% of Europe's entire population. In England especially whole villages were wiped out with the tiny number of survivors "moving on".
This virus is not going to have anything like the effect of the Black Death, as we have modern medical science and facilities to counteract the impact, with even now a far greater degree of control of the movements of peoples across countries than, in certainly 1348, when it swept into England, uncontrolled, misunderstood and absolutely deadly with no human answers to it.
So, as DG is saying and I back, stop panicking! ::) ::) :P
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There is also the matter that the Great Plague was a bacterial infection transmitted by the bites of infected rat fleas ... so a totally different type of pathogen with a totally different transmission vector.
The vast majority of folks with viral infections "self recover" as their systems kick in with antibodies ... those with pre-existing weaknesses are the ones at risk ... so again, totally different to the Great Plague .......
However, never let the truth ........... :)
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So, as DG is saying and I back, stop panicking! ::) ::) :P
I'm not panicking - I'm not even really thinking about it - because there's no use panicking about something you can do absolutely SFA about :y I mean, short of cocooning myself in my house and living off the pets once we run out of food ;D
I do have to fly to the US in March, which means transit through some major hubs (Heathrow, Seattle), both of which have significant travel from Asian countries.. but even then, there's nowt I can do about it! I do usually catch every bug going, though, so I'm probably done for already ;D
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Perhaps this will help visualise the scale of the actual problem...
Three hundred and sixty two fatalities.
Five hundred and twenty three recovered.
Seventeen thousand, four hundred and eight cases.
Eleven million people live in the city where it started.
One billion, four hundred million people living in China.
Seven billion, eight hundred million people on earth.
I wouldn't wish anyone catch, let alone die from this, in the same way that would rather my mum not catch pneumonia whenever we have a really cold winter, but that's the way the dice of life rolls.
At as a final observation...
Ten times more children were injured or killed on the UK road network between April and June 2018, than people globally have died from this virus. 3620 vs 364 :-X
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Aaron, you have more chance of catching an STI from the taxi on the way to the airport ;)
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There is also the matter that the Great Plague was a bacterial infection transmitted by the bites of infected rat fleas ... so a totally different type of pathogen with a totally different transmission vector.
The vast majority of folks with viral infections "self recover" as their systems kick in with antibodies ... those with pre-existing weaknesses are the ones at risk ... so again, totally different to the Great Plague .......
However, never let the truth ........... :)
I was just referring to the Black Death, which WAS one of the deadliest pandemics known, to bring things into perspective. How any such event is transmitted amoungst humans is almost immaterial, it is the bottom line that counts, which in the case of the Black Death was utterly devastating to those who lived, and died, through it. They did not care, or know, it was via the rats, just they were suffering very horribly from it's effects! :'( :'(
The latest event in China, which is where it is being 'controlled' as best as possible by the lock down, is still nothing like those of history, not even close to the influenza pandemic, the "Spanish Flue", outbreak of 1918, that infected 500 million worldwide, and killed up to 50 million people. :'( :'(
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Aaron, you have more chance of catching an STI from the taxi on the way to the airport ;)
;D ;D ;D
I usually drive and park at Heathrow .. the Taxis in Seattle often seem to have plastic seat covers though. Can't imagine why ;D
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Wipe on, wipe off... ;D
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Regardless of whether it is or isnt something to be worried about, my original question was about the mechanics of a “ lock down”.
If Boris had to order a lock down when Aaron comes back with it, do you get compensated by the government or at the least “ lockdown dole” . Who decides who still works ? Do you actually have a choice. E.g. ambulance driver . How do you police the actual lockdown. In our society there would always be folk who felt it didnt apply to them.
If you are away on business or holiday and come back to find your town locked down and you cannot go in, where do you live and on what? Not everyone has savings..
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My friend lives in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), Vietnam, where he is a teacher. His school has closed for an extra week after the Tet holiday (New Year) so he's gone into self imposed lockdown. :)
Doesn't sound too bad really.... sofa, Netflix and beer. His messages have got a bit random as the day has gone on! ;D
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You're unnecessarily worrying about a media hyped over reaction.
If you're genuinely worried, pop down the shops and clear the shelves of tinned goods and bottled water. If you need electricity, get the generator serviced and stock up on fuel as well.
Official contingencies will be broadly similar to war.
And if you work for the emergency services, or military, then you don't get a choice as it's part and parcel of what you signed up for.
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Who's worried? :-\
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Who's worried? :-\
Varche apparently :-\
Scratches chin wondering if the single case in Spain is a Chinese student on a seasonal visa to pick olives...
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Who's worried? :-\
Varche apparently :-\
Quite wrong. I am not worried. As it happens our lifestyle and location means we would probably be one of the few to survive a black plague type event.
I am interested in the mechanics of a lock down. Easier to achieve in a country like China. Anyway, no one else is interested which is fair enough.
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Who's worried? :-\
Varche apparently :-\
Quite wrong. I am not worried. As it happens our lifestyle and location means we would probably be one of the few to survive a black plague type event.
I am interested in the mechanics of a lock down. Easier to achieve in a country like China. Anyway, no one else is interested which is fair enough.
Sorry Varche, I will try and answer you as best I can.
I really do not believe a complete lock down is possible without the consent, without exception, of all the population. Yes, a state can stop the running of public transport, and most of the private means to get around, but it is not possible to stop ALL movement, even in a state like China. However, the majority of their population appears to be completely controllable by simply the State saying “you will” or “you will not”. But even if a tiny percentage ignore that official line, and want to travel, they will. The country is just too geographically large to stop it entirely.
Not believable? Well even the totalitarian Nazi Third Reich, with all the ‘instant’ penalties of disobedience available, could stop the resistance fighters, and Germans who opposed Hitler. Movement was always possible, and never stopped entirely. So, without 100% lock down compliance, the disease, like the rats and their fleas, will never be completely stopped from spreading within China (and beyond?) ;)