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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 March 2020, 12:44:20
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just come off the phone to a friend I haven't spoken to for a while.
Informed me in a very sad voice that his 26 year old daughter committed suicide last week.
To say he is a 'broken' man is an understatement.
Very sad. :-\ but there seems to be a lot of it about amongst young people. :-\
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Very sad. I can't ever see a situation so bad that would make me want to do that but, as you say, seems to be a spate of it at the moment. :(
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It does seem, that younger people nowadays are heavily influenced by how many likes or friends they get, and when they start getting lots of negative feedback it affects them, I would say there are lots more suicides of younger people's now than when I was of that age. Different times.
It will take your friend,to a lot of dark places, thinking what could they have done to stop it, thoughts with them, it's a tough time.
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Very sad indeed, my wifes cousin commited suicide a few years ago no note left & no real reason ever discovered, on the face of it they had everything a business doing so well that they lived in Jersey & travelled all over the world, but you never know what is going on in someone's mind.
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Apparently nobody suspected anything was wrong.
Parents, husband, friends, work friends,......nobody.
Absolutely nobody saw it coming. :-\
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That is extremely sad, but is regretfully happening everyday. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
It should remind us all to talk and listen to everyone in our lives as much as possible to understand all our complex human issues.
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As decent and understanding as we think we might be, we can't always see if there are any complex human issues affecting those close to us.
My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
I share your sympathies, I really do. If it's any consolation, time is a great healer.
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As decent and understanding as we think we might be, we can't always see if there are any complex human issues affecting those close to us.
My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
I share your sympathies, I really do. If it's any consolation, time is a great healer.
So sorry to hear that, mate. I'm not sure I'd cope at all.
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As decent and understanding as we think we might be, we can't always see if there are any complex human issues affecting those close to us.
My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
I share your sympathies, I really do. If it's any consolation, time is a great healer.
So sorry to hear that, mate. I'm not sure I'd cope at all.
Thank you.
Forgot to mention, he was in his early 20s.
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As decent and understanding as we think we might be, we can't always see if there are any complex human issues affecting those close to us.
My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
I share your sympathies, I really do. If it's any consolation, time is a great healer.
So sorry to hear that, mate. I'm not sure I'd cope at all.
Thank you.
Forgot to mention, he was in his early 20s.
The most common age for people to take their own life.
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As decent and understanding as we think we might be, we can't always see if there are any complex human issues affecting those close to us.
My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
I share your sympathies, I really do. If it's any consolation, time is a great healer.
Just awful to have to go through this , I often worry about my kids , are they doing ok , how's work , life etc , my son works in an Ambulance call station and hears awful things every day , I just hope it doesn't get him down , on Christmas day he had two suicides to deal with , I don't think I could cope with that :(
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My son committed suicide just over 12 years ago and no one saw it coming. He had a good job, nice house and everything to live for, or so we all thought. The years following that were very dark and difficult to cope with for us all. One thing that did come to mind several times was if we could have done anything different to change what happened. Being racked with guilt is a human reaction to losing someone so close.
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I'm very sorry to hear that. :( :(
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I say this a lot, but it's true. If someone has a knee injury, or a broken arm, they'll go "This isn't working as it should. Please don't aggravate it". And people will talk to them, offer assistance, and it's normal. For some reason, when it's someone's brain that's gone on the wonk*, they won't talk about it freely (understandable), but if there's a hint of mental illness**, people shy away from talking to them about it. And it shouldn't be so. I'm a firm believer in sharing your shit***, and there shouldn't be as much of a stigma as there is.
*not to minimise it, at all. I have personal and professional experience of all manner of MH issues up to and including several messy suicides, and if I can offer help to one person to prevent them taking that step, I will gladly do so. I will use language that makes it more casual, because it's usually less scary for the person I'm talking to.
**covering the whole gamut, but particularly depression, self-harm and suicide ideation
***as often promoted by Bullshire Constabulary
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Was shocked to hear last night that my neighbour has hung himself.
Wife, two kids, good job, nice house, everything you could want, one of the lower risk people when viewed from the outside. :-[
You just never know
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I say this a lot, but it's true. If someone has a knee injury, or a broken arm, they'll go "This isn't working as it should. Please don't aggravate it". And people will talk to them, offer assistance, and it's normal. For some reason, when it's someone's brain that's gone on the wonk*, they won't talk about it freely (understandable), but if there's a hint of mental illness**, people shy away from talking to them about it. And it shouldn't be so. I'm a firm believer in sharing your shit***, and there shouldn't be as much of a stigma as there is.
*not to minimise it, at all. I have personal and professional experience of all manner of MH issues up to and including several messy suicides, and if I can offer help to one person to prevent them taking that step, I will gladly do so. I will use language that makes it more casual, because it's usually less scary for the person I'm talking to.
**covering the whole gamut, but particularly depression, self-harm and suicide ideation
***as often promoted by Bullshire Constabulary
Good on ya...GK :y
I'm fortunate in that I'm pretty well balanced and generally happy and optimistic.......but I'm sure French Albs and STMO will have something to say about the 'well balanced' bit. ;D
We are more reserved in this country but this is changing fast because so many people are willing to speak about their problems. Tyson Fury, Big Frank Bruno, Alastair Campbell among many. Sadly Caroline Flack, who always seemed to be smiling and laughing was deeply unhappy.
In the USA you are nobody unless you can afford an expensive 'shrink'.
Barbra Streisand has already spent more than $400,000 and counting. Most of us are a 'f*uck up' in one way or another. ;D
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It's good to talk :)
An unwelcome side effect of all this is that 'stress' and anxiety' have become the new 'bad back'. Because of all the hype that now surrounds mental health issues, doctors and employers are shit scared to challenge anyone who 'shares', and three month sick notes are handed out to anyone who wants one.
That's my 'sensitive' take on the problem. ;D
And as for a 'well balanced' Opti, well, I haven't heard from him. :-\
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It's good to talk :)
An unwelcome side effect of all this is that 'stress' and anxiety' have become the new 'bad back'. Because of all the hype that now surrounds mental health issues, doctors and employers are shit scared to challenge anyone who 'shares', and three month sick notes are handed out to anyone who wants one.
That's my 'sensitive' take on the problem. ;D
And as for a 'well balanced' Opti, well, I haven't heard from him. :-\
Please, please...don't take this as any sort of sleight on the people mentioned on here. They have my sincere sympathy.
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It's good to talk :)
An unwelcome side effect of all this is that 'stress' and anxiety' have become the new 'bad back'. Because of all the hype that now surrounds mental health issues, doctors and employers are shit scared to challenge anyone who 'shares', and three month sick notes are handed out to anyone who wants one.
That's my 'sensitive' take on the problem. ;D
And as for a 'well balanced' Opti, well, I haven't heard from him. :-\
Tyson Fury doesn't need 3 month sick note. Knocking the head off a big black fella is his therapy. ;D
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It's good to talk :)
An unwelcome side effect of all this is that 'stress' and anxiety' have become the new 'bad back'. Because of all the hype that now surrounds mental health issues, doctors and employers are shit scared to challenge anyone who 'shares', and three month sick notes are handed out to anyone who wants one.
That's my 'sensitive' take on the problem. ;D
And as for a 'well balanced' Opti, well, I haven't heard from him. :-\
Tyson Fury doesn't need 3 month sick note. Knocking the head off a big black fella is his therapy. ;D
A big person of colour, if you don't mind ;D
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It's good to talk :)
An unwelcome side effect of all this is that 'stress' and anxiety' have become the new 'bad back'. Because of all the hype that now surrounds mental health issues, doctors and employers are shit scared to challenge anyone who 'shares', and three month sick notes are handed out to anyone who wants one.
That's my 'sensitive' take on the problem. ;D
And as for a 'well balanced' Opti, well, I haven't heard from him. :-\
Tyson Fury doesn't need 3 month sick note. Knocking the head off a big black fella is his therapy. ;D
A big person of colour, if you don't mind ;D
I like to call a spade a spade. ::)
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Indeed it is good to talk.
Unfortunately for most who contemplate their demise are proficient enough to keep their thoughts very private. This is why it comes as shock to those who were close. I'm not saying there's a textbook scenario for everyone who wants to end their life, but for the determined (as opposed to the cry of help sufferers) the mind set usually ensures success, if that's what you want to call it. Being found midway through the act is a very uncomfortable thought to say the least.
I recently bumped into someone I'd known a long time ago, and he is visually scarred around the neck, after being discovered hanging from a tree - obviously an unsuccessful attempt which he has to live with, but at least he wanted to talk about it and even smiled occasionally.
My own personal circumstances after discovering the suicide of my son, has been to talk openly about it to anyone who wanted to listen / show interest.... so opening up and discussing the event has been some of the best therapy for me and my family.
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I like to call a spade a spade. ::)
Not even slightly funny .... :-X
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As many here know, my old management chain were all Lady bitss. I like to think I'm pretty strong mentally, but day after day after day I can see how its possible to get into a downward spiral, where spur of the moment decisions seem viable, even sensible. Hence I knew a few who have done "silly" things like lost an argument with an Intercity 125 and so on.
I might have mentioned previously, my old boss was a Lady bits, so was his boss. I'm not talking the idiotic nature of most of my company's management, particularly those from LazydockerLand, I'm talking full on Lady bitss. Just so we're clear.
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Bloody censor. Obviously I mean unts with a c.
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Tick Tock. My heart goes out to you. Your posts brought tears to my eyes. I came very close indeed to losing my own son to depression during his teens and into his 20,s, and I will always bear the scars from that time. At one point it seemed he was beyond the point of no return, and I remember feeling how I didn't think I could carry on without him.
Its heartbreaking to feel so helpless, but with hindsight, I believe its an alteration of the chemistry in the brain, and isn't about whether or not the loved ones did enough or did the right / wrong thing.
I have the utmost respect for your attitude and having the strength to talk about it. I don't think I could have done that. I would have at the least shut down and disappeared inside myself.
Hope I haven't said the wrong thing in any of the above. Tact & diplomacy aren't my strong points, but I felt the need to respond.
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I was worried should I post or not too. I’m really saddened to hear all this horrible news as well from the members here, and feel sorry. As been said, it’s best to talk even on here where none of us are qualified to help although I’m sure we will all try, but we all feel the pain when it’s brought up and it could happen to any of us at any time :-\
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
Presumably you know where he is? Broadly speaking...
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
Presumably you know where he is? Broadly speaking...
I do. I drop my grand daughter off at his house into the hand's of his girl friend but he's always at work.
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Posting anonymously, for various reasons.
.. and I remember feeling how I didn't think I could carry on without him.
Thinking of the damage it would do to my parents is one of the things that has kept me on this earth a few times in the past - which, I suppose, means I wasn't "that bad" if I was still thinking rationally about things.
My condolences to those of you who have lost children (for any reason, but in the context of this thread, particularly to suicide).
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
Presumably you know where he is? Broadly speaking...
I do. I drop my grand daughter off at his house into the hand's of his girl friend but he's always at work.
That's something then.
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
Presumably you know where he is? Broadly speaking...
I do. I drop my grand daughter off at his house into the hand's of his girl friend but he's always at work.
That's something then.
It is .....
But I don't want to hyjack the original thread ;)
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The fact that my shithead son hasn't had any contact with us for 14/15 months pales into insignificance .... :(
Presumably you know where he is? Broadly speaking...
I do. I drop my grand daughter off at his house into the hand's of his girl friend but he's always at work.
That's something then.
It is .....
But I don't want to hyjack the original thread ;)
Quite right. That never happens.
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I recently listened to an album by Frank Turner, whilst driving. There was a song https://youtu.be/0LQVMRoglIo
Made me cry.
Title Song for Josh
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I am very sorry to hear about all your posts. We lost someone in the family a few years ago - and we had not seen it coming.
I think that suicide reporting is more common now, whilst in the past the taboo around it was more likely to result in Coroners verdicts which did not state suicide. So I guess it means that the stigma is reducing and the conversation is being had.
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Unfortunately due to the current situation throughout the World there will be a dramatic increase in the suicide rate, as people lose their homes businesses & family members
a truly awful time in our world.
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You can indeed see that the present situation isn't helping much.
Besides any age range, I really feel for those who were looking forward to the rest of the school term and taking their exams, traditionally this age has always been thought of as the most vulnerable where suicide is concerned.