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Title: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 13:52:27
No significant lockdown. The economy still functioning.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Rangie on 02 April 2020, 13:58:31
Our leaders appear to be " talking the talk" saying what's required but  overall it appears to be to little to late. Other countries appear to have been much better prepared  for this outbreak.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 14:19:36
I wonder if the UK will have an economy after a few months of this.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 14:30:22
it's a case of finding a balance
how much is a life worth  :-\
dead people don't go to work, buy things or pay tax
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: STEMO on 02 April 2020, 14:31:47
I wonder if the UK will have an economy after a few months of this.
You'll be ok  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 14:34:50
I wonder if the UK will have an economy after a few months of this.
You'll be ok  ;D

I was hoping you would be willing to lend me a few bob. :-\
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 14:37:37
it's a case of finding a balance
how much is a life worth  :-\
dead people don't go to work, buy things or pay tax

Latest figures I can find show 282 dead in Sweden, although the population is obviously much smaller.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 14:58:23
maybe they want a stronger economy and thinning out of the weaker population  :-\
Volvos for all, blonde hair ,blue eyed ,master race
oh wait  ::)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 April 2020, 15:00:12
You jest, they have a high refugee population in Scandinavia...
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 02 April 2020, 15:03:58
I believe they went down the herd immunity route. Istr our Govt. spent the first week or so considering this option before bottling it.
I suppose only time will tell which one was the best option, but it may be that our lot wasted time in the beginning deciding which way to go, which has caused some of the problems we have now.
Im all for herd immunity as long as I can pick who is in / out of the herd.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 15:15:50

Im all for herd immunity as long as I can pick who is in / out of the herd.

 ;D
Hello friend  :y
how is that fine French automobile of yours  :P
can i NOT be in the herd pretty please  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 15:23:06
I believe they went down the herd immunity route. Istr our Govt. spent the first week or so considering this option before bottling it.
I suppose only time will tell which one was the best option, but it may be that our lot wasted time in the beginning deciding which way to go, which has caused some of the problems we have now.
Im all for herd immunity as long as I can pick who is in / out of the herd.

Keep all the pretty blonde girlies. Get rid of all the pretty blond men. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 02 April 2020, 15:26:48
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 15:34:14
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 02 April 2020, 16:22:33
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:25:01
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:26:44
it's a case of finding a balance
how much is a life worth  :-\
dead people don't go to work, buy things or pay tax

But dead pensioners like me saves a lot of State expense :o :o ;D ;D ;)

.........well I would do if I was dead! ::) ::) :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:29:20
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)

Oh yes, the one that cut off one of his balls!  ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 16:31:17
it's a case of finding a balance
how much is a life worth  :-\
dead people don't go to work, buy things or pay tax

But dead pensioners like me saves a lot of State expense :o :o ;D ;D ;)
Sad news Lizzie  :'( :'(
when did you die  :-\
also, about that Omega you had when you where still alive ..... ;D
first dibs  :P
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:32:34
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)

Oh yes, the one that cut off one of his balls!  ;D ;D ;D ;)


I get the feeling that Eva didn't get much in the way of orgasmic pleasure form Adolf. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:33:35
it's a case of finding a balance
how much is a life worth  :-\
dead people don't go to work, buy things or pay tax

But dead pensioners like me saves a lot of State expense :o :o ;D ;D ;)
Sad news Lizzie  :'( :'(
when did you die  :-\
also, about that Omega you had when you where still alive ..... ;D

You wrote that Dave before I put in my edit ;D ;D ;D

Still very much alive..........as for the Omega,you have no chance.......yet! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 16:34:25
you've edited that Lizzie
are you a Zombie
back form the dead to stop me having your Omega  :-\

*cross posted
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:35:55
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)

Oh yes, the one that cut off one of his balls!  ;D ;D ;D ;)


I get the feeling that Eva didn't get much in the way of orgasmic pleasure form Adolf. :)

It was his power she loved, and the sexual arousal of being shot with his gun :P :P ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:36:03
you've edited that Lizzie
are you a Zombie
back form the dead to stop me having your Omega  :-\

*cross posted

She has a nice red one. ::)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:37:27
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)

Oh yes, the one that cut off one of his balls!  ;D ;D ;D ;)


I get the feeling that Eva didn't get much in the way of orgasmic pleasure form Adolf. :)

It was his power she loved, and the sexual arousal of being shot with his gun :P :P ;D ;D ;)

My guess is that he could barely get it up, let alone keep it up.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 16:38:37


She has a nice red one. ::)

sounds serious
so there is hope   :-X
 ;D only playing with you Lizzie   :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: BazaJT on 02 April 2020, 16:39:08
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:40:02
Past caring about that. Pick all the liberal lefty snowflake whingers and keep all the fans of Thatcher, Churchill, Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg……….so you need to enjoy that Jaaaaaaaag while you still can.

I could be wrong but I'm starting to think you are quite right wing. :) ;)

 Slightly right that lot, I've been classed a bit further right, due to thinking that a little Austrian painter wasn't that bad, just went about it the wrong way. :o

I'm sure Adolf's mum thought he could do no wrong. Assuming he had a mother. :)

Oh yes, the one that cut off one of his balls!  ;D ;D ;D ;)


I get the feeling that Eva didn't get much in the way of orgasmic pleasure form Adolf. :)

It was his power she loved, and the sexual arousal of being shot with his gun :P :P ;D ;D ;)

My guess is that he could barely get it up, let alone keep it up.

He certainly could not in his final months as he was a wreck, fortunately! :y :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 16:41:15
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 16:43:39
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:47:39
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)

More Boudica I would have thought. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 16:48:49
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X

Lizzie is an innocent young girl. She won't know what this means. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 16:53:00
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X

Lizzie is an innocent young girl. She won't know what this means. :)
Absolutely Opti   :y
I'm innocent and don't know what i meant either  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: STEMO on 02 April 2020, 17:10:58
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X
Tee hee  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 02 April 2020, 19:00:09
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: STEMO on 02 April 2020, 19:03:14
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
Look up Angelica Larsons what?
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 02 April 2020, 19:10:55
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
Look up Angelica Larsons what?


 Just google, or Instagram, or you tube.. :' :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 April 2020, 19:14:35
Yorkie bar girl with an impressive rack. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 19:27:38
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X

OMG!! :o :o :o  I have just realised what that means :-[ :-[ :-[

Trust you and Opti pick up on it ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 April 2020, 19:29:21
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)

More Boudica I would have thought. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*

No, I love Italians too much to be like her :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Andy B on 02 April 2020, 19:32:20
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y

Just done so .... they're she's very nice!  ::)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 April 2020, 19:39:13
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X

OMG!! :o :o :o  I have just realised what that means :-[ :-[ :-[

Trust you and Opti pick up on it ;D ;D ;D ;)
I've probably watched one too many Swedish or German videos  :-[
Opti lead me astray Lizzie  ::)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 02 April 2020, 19:45:14
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
Look up Angelica Larsons what?
.   
                  Dress I would strongly suggest  :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 02 April 2020, 19:49:51
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
.   
                 Christ, that’s your best advice yet💅👩‍❤️‍👨🐏
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 April 2020, 21:08:16
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y

With girls like that hanging about, it's no wonder that they don't want to self isolate and practice social distancing!  :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: New POD on 03 April 2020, 00:44:41
No significant lockdown. The economy still functioning.
give it 3 weeks and they'll be bricking it like Every one here.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 03 April 2020, 10:50:39
Lizzie will have an [not too soon I hope]OOF funeral laid out in splendour atop a blazing Omega :D ;D ;D

It will be just like that as a Viking Queen should go down 8) 8) ;D ;)
obviously I won't miss quote what you just put Lizzie   :-X

OMG!! :o :o :o  I have just realised what that means :-[ :-[ :-[

Trust you and Opti pick up on it ;D ;D ;D ;)
I've probably watched one too many Swedish or German videos  :-[
Opti lead me astray Lizzie  ::)

Oh yes, I can quite believe that Dave as Opti is a dirty old bugger! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 03 April 2020, 11:38:55
Sweden.... Look up Angelica Larson :y
.   
                 Christ, that’s your best advice yet💅👩‍❤️‍👨🐏


 She's a very good driver, I think that's why she's popular on the interwebs ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 03 April 2020, 12:17:05
Aye :o
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 April 2020, 13:05:42
I corresponded with a Swedish penfriend from Stockholm when I was 14. Blonde and beautiful I still remember her name, which was Eva Westlund.

After 3 or 4 letters I told her in  she had a nice pair. Didn't hear from her after that. :-\

Strange. ::)



Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 03 April 2020, 15:31:48
I corresponded with a Swedish penfriend from Stockholm when I was 14. Blonde and beautiful I still remember her name, which was Eva Westlund.

After 3 or 4 letters I told her in  she had a nice pair. Didn't hear from her after that. :-\

Strange. ::)

 Have you tried looking her up on social media, :)

  https://www.google.com/search?q=Eva+Westlund.&oq=Eva+Westlund.&aqs=chrome..69i57.2077j0j1&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=_
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 April 2020, 15:34:04
I corresponded with a Swedish penfriend from Stockholm when I was 14. Blonde and beautiful I still remember her name, which was Eva Westlund.

After 3 or 4 letters I told her in  she had a nice pair. Didn't hear from her after that. :-\

Strange. ::)

 Have you tried looking her up on social media, :)

No BG.......She may well be a big slab of lard by now. Women tend to let themselves go as they age. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 April 2020, 20:29:21
I corresponded with a Swedish penfriend from Stockholm when I was 14. Blonde and beautiful I still remember her name, which was Eva Westlund.

After 3 or 4 letters I told her in  she had a nice pair. Didn't hear from her after that. :-\

Strange. ::)

 Have you tried looking her up on social media, :)

No BG.......She may well be a big slab of lard by now. Women tend to let themselves go as they age. :)

Especially those who had big tits when they were about 13-14.  Not their fault, they were just ahead of the curve that's all.  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 03 April 2020, 20:50:53
So you want to flatten the curve Steve? :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 April 2020, 20:52:47
So you want to flatten the curve Steve? :y

It's all the rage these days Rae!  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 03 April 2020, 21:48:29
 ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: JoSheppard on 22 April 2020, 08:21:17
We will see within the next couple of weeks. Event though, the Coronavirus cases already increased during the past week and seems to have a relatively high case fatality rate ("as of April 8, 7.68% of the Swedes who have tested positive for COVID-19 have died of the virus"). If you consider that it is a country of just 10 million citizens, that doesn't sound so good.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: biggriffin on 22 April 2020, 18:10:09
Well if the swedes run out of suitable Males to repopulate after they get it wrong, I might volunteer to help.

I read a lot of swedish Holiday brochure as a youff ;D  if I remember the girlys seem to be very accommodating,  :o
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 18:55:19
You need to survive first
UK total cases =133,495 resulted in 18100 deaths
that's over 13.5%
and the figures are under reported  ::)
worldwide just under 7% cases result in death

You can trust us Brits to exceed the norm  ;D nearly doubling worldwide mortality  :o
perhaps a little early to return to normal then  :-X
 
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 April 2020, 19:54:35
But day after day the same old ....... oh when do you think we can get back to normal, relax rules etc,  some of these so called journalists should play back what they’ve asked and how it sounds when they get home, it’s ridiculous
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Viral_Jim on 22 April 2020, 20:03:03
You need to survive first
UK total cases =133,495 resulted in 18100 deaths
that's over 13.5%
and the figures are under reported  ::)
worldwide just under 7% cases result in death

You can trust us Brits to exceed the norm  ;D nearly doubling worldwide mortality  :o
perhaps a little early to return to normal then  :-X

All uk testing is focussed on hospitals. So they are only testing people who are already very sick. It's impossible to a) work out an accurate mortality rate, b) compare one country with another.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: STEMO on 22 April 2020, 20:17:43
You need to survive first
UK total cases =133,495 resulted in 18100 deaths
that's over 13.5%
and the figures are under reported  ::)
worldwide just under 7% cases result in death

You can trust us Brits to exceed the norm  ;D nearly doubling worldwide mortality  :o
perhaps a little early to return to normal then  :-X

All uk testing is focussed on hospitals. So they are only testing people who are already very sick. It's impossible to a) work out an accurate mortality rate, b) compare one country with another.
Correct, but don't spoil Dave's doom and gloom. He's booked a pitch at Hyde Park Corner.  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 20:18:49


All uk testing is focussed on hospitals. So they are only testing people who are already very sick. It's impossible to a) work out an accurate mortality rate, b) compare one country with another.
OK, that's inspiring ,so we don't have a clue then  ::)
other figures released suggest 40000 + covid deaths in the UK 

I see the UK figures "total recovered" is still showing "N/A" and now Netherlands are doing the same
reading between the lines ,that says to me you don't recover, your in remission  :-\
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: STEMO on 22 April 2020, 20:21:47


All uk testing is focussed on hospitals. So they are only testing people who are already very sick. It's impossible to a) work out an accurate mortality rate, b) compare one country with another.
OK, that's inspiring ,so we don't have a clue then  ::)
other figures released suggest 40000 + covid deaths in the UK 

I see the UK figures "total recovered" is still showing "N/A" and now Netherlands are doing the same
reading between the lines ,that says to me you don't recover, your in remission  :-\
We're doomed, I tell you........doomed  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 April 2020, 20:23:20
There have been reports from South Korea of people getting it a second time, after recovering and testing negative from their first skirmish.  :-\
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 20:23:46

..... don't spoil Dave's doom and gloom. He's booked a pitch at Hyde Park Corner.  ;D
Na way too expensive  :o
which bin do you put my rotting dead corpse in
assuming someone's still alive to collect the bins  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 20:28:01
There have been reports from South Korea of people getting it a second time, after recovering and testing negative from their first skirmish.  :-\
indeed  :)
and now Covid 19 is so well spread throughout the world  ,there should be plenty of mutations ,even if we do get a vaccination for the current strain  :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 April 2020, 20:33:35
There have been reports from South Korea of people getting it a second time, after recovering and testing negative from their first skirmish.  :-\
indeed  :)
and now Covid 19 is so well spread throughout the world  ,there should be plenty of mutations ,even if we do get a vaccination for the current strain  :y

Yes, and that is why our Government is being so cautious about any talk of a release on lock down.  No one actually knows what this virus will do next, or how the hell it can be treated.  It seems a vaccine that can be used in quantity is still 12 months away :(
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 20:41:34
They keep trying to reinforce that point with the graphs.

A good point was made on Dave Ramsey's show yesterday... A caller asked if the (US) government, both Federal and State, was correct in their apparently random approach.

Three points came up...

1. People are equally resilient and rebellious. We can find a way through pretty much anything, but it's easy to distrust legitimate leadership when it's buried behind lots of wrong turns caused by misguided information and media hysteria.

2. Lots of bad/poor data, both regarding economic impact and virus. Without consistent, accurate information, the modelling simply cannot work. Net result is that each government is striving to the best they can at any given moment. In the case of the UK, I think the approach is actually pretty consistent compared to some places.

3. Some people are more scared of the financial implications than the virus. Some people are more scared of the virus than of the economical implications. At the moment, the cure is doing more harm than the virus itself.

If staying at home is what we need to do for the next few weeks or so, then that's fine by me. The economic impact can wait. Yes it will be difficult for any company regardless of size, especially if they are heavily leveraged, but it isn't anything close to the end of the economy. Without looking, Proctor and Gamble etc have probably made three or four times what the oil companies have lost.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 21:01:33
I think we should adapt the UK temporarily until we have it under control
not wait a few weeks then start letting the inmates out at a rate the hospitals can just about cope with
(which i think the government may do  :-X )

OK, we can't carry on in complete lockdown for years
sort out more work from home infrastructure
shelter the vulnerable indefinitely, pay people who have lost jobs to train to be carers /helpers
let UK companies make PPE and other items we need rather than import
continue with social distancing but make everyone wear masks
plenty of jobs in delivery and home shopping etc
nanny state ,because we can't behave
though I still maintain we would be in a much better place if we had locked down/quarantined  all cases and people entering the uk back in the beginning of march instead of "just carry on going to work etc ,we'll all get herd immunity"  >:(
   
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 21:11:45
Millions of items are being made in the UK, often for free*, but the NHS seems to be consuming items at a ridiculous rate.

Once upon a time everything was washed and reused. Nowadays it must be being treated as single use... After all, there can't suddenly be millions of care staff requiring items they should be using anyways... :-\ thinking gloves and scrubs rather than masks, but even so.

*I appreciate the sentiment, but don't miss the opportunity to generate an income from a new business opportunity.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 21:22:11
Millions of items are being made in the UK, often for free*, but the NHS seems to be consuming items at a ridiculous rate.

Once upon a time everything was washed and reused. Nowadays it must be being treated as single use... After all, there can't suddenly be millions of care staff requiring items they should be using anyways... :-\ thinking gloves and scrubs rather than masks, but even so.

*I appreciate the sentiment, but don't miss the opportunity to generate an income from a new business opportunity.
absolutely , i wash my work clothes
it's not even recycling ,single use clothes is bonkers
and yes, the free PPE people are making is not sustainable , but the government could pay ,keeping the money in the UK economy
 
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 21:25:43
Millions of items are being made in the UK, often for free*, but the NHS seems to be consuming items at a ridiculous rate.

Once upon a time everything was washed and reused. Nowadays it must be being treated as single use... After all, there can't suddenly be millions of care staff requiring items they should be using anyways... :-\ thinking gloves and scrubs rather than masks, but even so.

*I appreciate the sentiment, but don't miss the opportunity to generate an income from a new business opportunity.
absolutely , i wash my work clothes
it's not even recycling ,single use clothes is bonkers
and yes, the free PPE people are making is not sustainable , but the government could pay ,keeping the money in the UK economy
They sort of are with the furlough payments etc, but the US seems to be much better at a fluid entrepreneurialist economy.  :-\
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 April 2020, 21:27:58
Once upon a time everything was washed and reused.

Imagine the mountain ranges of single use plastic getting thrown out by the NHS every day.  The greenies are quiet about that though, as thou shalt not criticise the NHS!  ::)

Reusable kit has to be the way forward, and if they had been using reusable PPE they would not be in this mess now.  ::)

though I still maintain we would be in a much better place if we had locked down/quarantined  all cases and people entering the uk back in the beginning of march instead of "just carry on going to work etc ,we'll all get herd immunity"  >:(
   

The purpose of the lockdown isn't to stop people getting it, it's to buy time to prepare the NHS for the inevitable onslaught once restrictions are lifted.  Herd immunity in the absence of a vaccine is the only answer, unpalatable as it seems to many.   ;)

Sweden actually seems to be doing OK, and don't seem to be doing much worse or better than other countries.  I read today that Swedish scientists reckon that they have achieved 60% herd immunity in Stockholm and that's without any kind of draconian measures adopted by many countries around the world that are destroying livelyhoods.   :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 21:34:15
...... US seems to be much better at a fluid entrepreneurialist economy.  :-\
the US population will be thinned quite a bit if they end lockdown at the start of may :(
seems many can't see the bigger picture
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 21:43:42
Their death rate is currently 45% of ours...

142/million population vs 267/million here :-X
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 April 2020, 21:45:41

though I still maintain we would be in a much better place if we had locked down/quarantined  all cases and people entering the uk back in the beginning of march instead of "just carry on going to work etc ,we'll all get herd immunity"  >:(
   

The purpose of the lockdown isn't to stop people getting it, it's to buy time to prepare the NHS for the inevitable onslaught once restrictions are lifted.  Herd immunity in the absence of a vaccine is the only answer, unpalatable as it seems to many.   ;)

Sweden actually seems to be doing OK, and don't seem to be doing much worse or better than other countries.  I read today that Swedish scientists reckon that they have achieved 60% herd immunity in Stockholm and that's without any kind of draconian measures adopted by many countries around the world that are destroying livelyhoods.   :)

I got that wrong.  :-[  It's 20% but they expect 60% in 'weeks'.  :)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html?&qsearchterm=sweden
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 April 2020, 21:46:42
Their death rate is currently 45% of ours...

142/million population vs 267/million here :-X

They are Vikings though!  :y   ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 21:48:56
Their death rate is currently 45% of ours...

142/million population vs 267/million here :-X

They are Vikings though!  :y   ;D
That's the US mortality ratio :-X

Sweden is 192/million, which is better than us, but significantly worse than the States  :-X
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 April 2020, 21:53:09
As Dr Zachary Smith would say.........
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 April 2020, 22:05:22
Their death rate is currently 45% of ours...

142/million population vs 267/million here :-X

They are Vikings though!  :y   ;D
That's the US mortality ratio :-X

Sweden is 192/million, which is better than us, but significantly worse than the States  :-X

Belgium is 540/million  :(

And little San Marino is 1179/million!  :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 22:09:06

though I still maintain we would be in a much better place if we had locked down/quarantined  all cases and people entering the uk back in the beginning of march instead of "just carry on going to work etc ,we'll all get herd immunity"  >:(
   

The purpose of the lockdown isn't to stop people getting it, it's to buy time to prepare the NHS for the inevitable onslaught once restrictions are lifted.  Herd immunity in the absence of a vaccine is the only answer, unpalatable as it seems to many.   ;)

Sweden actually seems to be doing OK, and don't seem to be doing much worse or better than other countries.  I read today that Swedish scientists reckon that they have achieved 60% herd immunity in Stockholm and that's without any kind of draconian measures adopted by many countries around the world that are destroying livelyhoods.   :)

I got that wrong.  :-[  It's 20% but they expect 60% in 'weeks'.  :)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html?&qsearchterm=sweden

I genuinely hope it works in Sweden
but i'm skeptical about long term second infections or mutations and what the coating on the lungs will do after multiple exposures

the world is a petri dish  of death right now
I do hope people playing science get it right
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 22:09:57
GLWT :-X
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 April 2020, 22:14:10
You pay your money.................
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 22 April 2020, 22:18:52
I have to leave the bunker again tomorrow for supplies
I might need luck  :D ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 April 2020, 23:30:17
These old fashioned shoppe places have adapted to modern world.

You can order anything you heart (and stomach) desires on tinterweb and the pixies deliver it.

Saves you leaving the house  :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 April 2020, 12:57:38
Millions of items are being made in the UK, often for free*, but the NHS seems to be consuming items at a ridiculous rate.

Once upon a time everything was washed and reused. Nowadays it must be being treated as single use... After all, there can't suddenly be millions of care staff requiring items they should be using anyways... :-\ thinking gloves and scrubs rather than masks, but even so.

*I appreciate the sentiment, but don't miss the opportunity to generate an income from a new business opportunity.

Indeed.  I was gobsmacked by a report on the BBC that quoted just one major hospital uses a total of 17,000 PPE items PER DAY across the wards and operating theatres!! In fact the quote also stated :

"Even in an area with relatively few Covid-19 infections, the daily use of PPE is pretty staggering: 39,500 surgical masks per day, 11,495 gloves, 1,501 gowns and 4,201 highly-protective FFP3 respirator masks, as well as aprons and eye protectors. That sums to a staggering 72,000 items a day in for one trust"   

Bloody hell, no wonder the supply cannot meet demand!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 April 2020, 13:08:28
As Dr Zachary Smith would say.........

Somebody is showing their age. :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 13:08:55
yep, maybe someone should buy a washing machine
I have 2 , always good to have a spare ,just in case  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 April 2020, 13:13:17
Stock piling domestic appliances? Whatever next...  :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 13:18:50
Stock piling domestic appliances? Whatever next...  :D
toilet roll , i have a spare loo roll as well  :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 April 2020, 16:37:51
Stock piling domestic appliances? Whatever next...  :D

Dave is environmentally conscious and uses the second machine for his terry towelling nappies.  :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 April 2020, 16:41:14
Of course he does...  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 April 2020, 17:09:21
As Dr Zachary Smith would say.........

Somebody is showing their age. :)
.   
                 I loved that show :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 17:30:33
Stock piling domestic appliances? Whatever next...  :D

Dave is environmentally conscious and uses the second machine for his terry towelling nappies.  :y
when i rebuilt the kitchen we had all new integrated appliances
so spare washer,freezer,fridge ,cooker,hob ,all stored just in case
if you have a spare of something then the one in use rarely fails  :y
i don't wear nappies
YET !  ;D :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 April 2020, 17:39:50
Have you dug a bunker under your garden Dave?  ???

I was wondering if your koi pond is actually the food and water supply.  :-\   ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 17:48:02
Have you dug a bunker under your garden Dave?  ???

I was wondering if your koi pond is actually the food and water supply.  :-\   ;D
I couldn't possibly comment as to where the entrance to the bunker is  :-X
the Koi pond IS indeed a store of water ,the complex filtration system includes hydroponics to grow plants  :y
and if needed I could make Koi fish fingers ,
but i hope not as the koi are worth £££, or where,before the world went to ****
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: BazaJT on 23 April 2020, 19:46:08
And we all know the kind of plants hydroponics are usually associated with :-X
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 19:53:46
And we all know the kind of plants hydroponics are usually associated with :-X
technically it's Aquaponics that i do, and no ,I don't grow herbs  :-X  other than mint  :y
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 April 2020, 21:23:23
And we all know the kind of plants hydroponics are usually associated with :-X
technically it's Aquaponics that i do, and no ,I don't grow herbs :-X  other than mint  :y

Shame.  'Erbs might help you through the apocalypse.  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 22:55:22
And we all know the kind of plants hydroponics are usually associated with :-X
technically it's Aquaponics that i do, and no ,I don't grow herbs :-X  other than mint  :y

Shame.  'Erbs might help you through the apocalypse.  :)
I "wouldn't inhale" them type of herbs  :-X
i do like a bit of cake though  ;D :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 April 2020, 23:01:22
Chocolate or coffee and walnut?
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 23 April 2020, 23:25:02
Chocolate or coffee and walnut?
"chocolate brownies " i've said too much  :-X  ;D :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: New POD on 02 August 2020, 12:33:46
Apparently Sweden says they have 40 to 45 % herd immunity.  Some of their scientists are saying that it's not true, but their death rate is 561 per million which is lower than the UK.
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 August 2020, 13:00:26
Apparently Sweden says they have 40 to 45 % herd immunity.  Some of their scientists are saying that it's not true, but their death rate is 561 per million which is lower than the UK.
'dangle berries'. In a word.

They've nearly twice as many cases as us currently.

We've tested twice as many people as there are in Sweden.

We have four times more BAME people here in percentage terms than they do, bearing in mind that our population is NINE times larger, so that's actually something like 8 million vs 40,000 BAME citizens who are automatically more susceptible. (We have ten times more BAME citizens than the ENTIRE population of Sweden)

And inspite of the resurgence, GLOBAL deaths are still out numbered 2:1 by people living in Birmingham.  :-X

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Oh, and apparently the death rate in the US is under 500 per million, but they won't tell you that in the Guardian  ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: dave the builder on 02 August 2020, 13:51:40
the world is still in the early stages od learning about Covid 19
herd immunity isn't the solution , who knows what the second,third ,forth infection will do to someone.


.......
And inspite of the resurgence, GLOBAL deaths are still out numbered 2:1 by people living in Birmingham.  :-X

Coronavirus ? or just lost the will to live  :-\   ;D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 August 2020, 14:08:10
Whichever is agenda appropriate  :D
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 August 2020, 22:49:46
the world is still in the early stages od learning about Covid 19
herd immunity isn't the solution , who knows what the second,third ,forth infection will do to someone.


With no vaccine or cure for Covid 19, herd immunity is all we have.  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 August 2020, 23:24:57
Apparently Sweden says they have 40 to 45 % herd immunity.  Some of their scientists are saying that it's not true, but their death rate is 561 per million which is lower than the UK.
'dangle berries'. In a word.

They've nearly twice as many cases as us currently.

We've tested twice as many people as there are in Sweden.

We have four times more BAME people here in percentage terms than they do, bearing in mind that our population is NINE times larger, so that's actually something like 8 million vs 40,000 BAME citizens who are automatically more susceptible. (We have ten times more BAME citizens than the ENTIRE population of Sweden)

And inspite of the resurgence, GLOBAL deaths are still out numbered 2:1 by people living in Birmingham.  :-X

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Oh, and apparently the death rate in the US is under 500 per million, but they won't tell you that in the Guardian  ;D

The other thing that they won't tell you in the Guardian (or the BBC for that matter), is that the UK is now carrying out more tests than most countries worldwide.   ::)

A quick scan of Worldometers suggests that only Denmark, Iceland, Luxembourg, UAE and Bahrain are currently testing more and Britain's test rate is double that of Germany!  :)
Title: Re: Does Sweden have it right.
Post by: 456lbft on 04 August 2020, 13:21:13
Apparently Sweden says they have 40 to 45 % herd immunity.  Some of their scientists are saying that it's not true, but their death rate is 561 per million which is lower than the UK.
'dangle berries'. In a word.

They've nearly twice as many cases as us currently.

We've tested twice as many people as there are in Sweden.

We have four times more BAME people here in percentage terms than they do, bearing in mind that our population is NINE times larger, so that's actually something like 8 million vs 40,000 BAME citizens who are automatically more susceptible. (We have ten times more BAME citizens than the ENTIRE population of Sweden)

And inspite of the resurgence, GLOBAL deaths are still out numbered 2:1 by people living in Birmingham.  :-X

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Oh, and apparently the death rate in the US is under 500 per million, but they won't tell you that in the Guardian  ;D

The other thing that they won't tell you in the Guardian (or the BBC for that matter), is that the UK is now carrying out more tests than most countries worldwide.   ::)

A quick scan of Worldometers suggests that only Denmark, Iceland, Luxembourg, UAE and Bahrain are currently testing more and Britain's test rate is double that of Germany!  :)
Go Lions,Roar!!