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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dusty on 29 August 2008, 18:56:12
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I need a new telly, mine is on the way out. But I get conflicting advice about which is best. LCD or Plasma?
My friend has just bought a 40" Sonia Bravia 1080 LCD. The colours are extremely vibrant and the still image is exceptionally sharp, but when you are watching any movement, football, athletics etc, all the pixels seem to drag across the screen leaving a trail behind them.
I find this really annoying.
Would plasma be any better, or would they benefit from a HD source. I was thinking of Freesat from BBC and ITV and also wondered if anyone had this already?
Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks Dusty :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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tell him to check his settings. i got a sony bravia lcd and watching sport is excellent. no pixel drag at all. lcd also better for for connecting to laptop and using as a monitor.
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
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Easy decision in the last 18 months as LCD has overtaken plasma on all fronts.
The the blurr you mention is likely to be down to either
1) The source (i.e. freeview and standard sat is not great quality)
2) A poor quality digital enhancement technique that cn be turne off.
Reality is now that LCD response time is close to most plasma sets with equal or better contrast ratios and much lower power.
Do get true HD and dont do like my neighbour (hes an acountant and knows no better!) and get fobbed off with a HD ready TV rather than a true 1080P
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I'll keep a running total that's so far 2-1 in favour of LCD :-*
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
Lol, give me a set of remotes for multiple TV's sat side by side and I could make which ever you wanted look best!
Marketing in the big stores! :y
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I have yet to see an LCD set without significant pixel drag, which drives me crazy. But as someone has said already maybe they have moved on. But as it stands I would go for plasma :y
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I have yet to see an LCD set without significant pixel drag, which drives me crazy. But as someone has said already maybe they have moved on. But as it stands I would go for plasma :y
LCD hs not suffered pixel drag for years....now the response time is 12ms+ on most sets its long gone.
In fact, your now less likely to see it on an LCD than a plasma
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lcd will win. also go into local tv shop at about 4.30 and put your hand flat on the screen of an lcd then go and put it on a plasma. i did this and nearly yelped. plasma tv's get damned hot.
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http://www.gadgetdetective.com/ try this website i listen to him on talksport on friday night on radio hes quite unbiased in his reports on tech gear
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might be worth a read before you make any decisions.
http://www.which.co.uk/advice/lcd-vs-plasma-tvs/index.jsp
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lcd will win. also go into local tv shop at about 4.30 and put your hand flat on the screen of an lcd then go and put it on a plasma. i did this and nearly yelped. plasma tv's get darned hot.
Plasma is an interesting technology as it is little more thn millions of CRT's.
The trouble is the drive electronics are VERY complex. Each pixel has to be pre-charged, struck, held and then discharged in order to excite the phosphor dot. This is very pwoer hungry.
LCD is less complex to operate and although some current is required to excite the LCD's, its considerably less and even more so with the modern small pixel sizes (a key thing that has increased response time).
Plasma fell behind about 18months to 2 years ago.
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If you intend to use your TV as a computer monitor you will get much better quality with LCD.
If you don't care about that but you are passionate about home cinema, plasma may be better because black is (pretty much) absolutely black on plasma. On LCD, black is relative (i.e. a fully black picture still shows some light).
The reliability argument has pretty much dissapeared with recent improvements in plasma.
LCD uses about 30% less electricity IIRC.
Hope this helps.
[edit]Blimey - about 4 good posts beat me to it. MTF...[/edit]
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If you don't care about that but you are passionate about home cinema, plasma may be better because black is (pretty much) absolutely black on plasma. On LCD, black is relative (i.e. a fully black picture still shows some light).
Yet again, this is very much not true on the current LCD technology. People have been suckered into thinking this and forget that phosphors glow for some period after excitation (turn a CRT off in a dark room and look at it glow for upto a minute after).
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Thanks for your all your help.
I'm now more confused than I was earlier.
I was hoping you were all going to say LCD or Plasma, but it seems to be falling somewhere in the middle.
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Your choice is between the Pioneer Kuro Plasmas - get the new 1080P one, or the W series Sony LCDs basically need to do head to head between the two.
Around 50" you have PDPLX508D vs KDL52W4000
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LCD.....every time.
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Mark seems to be pro LCD. I am not sure about the black is black thing with reviews of top of the range LCDs saying 'this is as as good as plasma', which means anything below isn't.
I do think that he is right on the speed of development of LCD. In 2 years time, this debate probably wouldn't be happening... LCD all the way.
All I can say is that I may have to buy a new TV soon and it will be LCD. Partly because I look at all you guys through my current LCDTV and not a dedicated monitor.
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It is not a technology choice but a model choice, the best of each technology are better than most of the competing technology. The two model ranges I have mentioned are about the best there are
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It is not a technology choice but a model choice, the best of each technology are better than most of the competing technology. The two model ranges I have mentioned are about the best there are
But, to be totaly honest, neither of those give a good enough improvement over thier cheaper competitors to warrant the price tags.
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So, of all the brand names, who do you go with?
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LCD..
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Plasma full 1080p wins hands down :y
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It is not a technology choice but a model choice, the best of each technology are better than most of the competing technology. The two model ranges I have mentioned are about the best there are
But, to be totaly honest, neither of those give a good enough improvement over thier cheaper competitors to warrant the price tags.
THe W series SOnys are much better than S series or V series
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You still there, Dusty? I'm as confused as you are, but thankfully i'm not in the market for a new tele. just yet.
Hope you make the right decision at the end of the day. :-/
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I will hopefully be going for a new TV arround December. Was fancying a Panasonic Virra Plasme. Not sure what to get now. :-/ :-/
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
:y And with plasma you get true colours, and NO dead pixels.
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At least I am down to two ranges - price and size means when I can afford it 46" Sony W series
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LCD every time. The old advantages of plasma are no more - blacks and screen size. The downsides of plasma are still there - weight, complexity, reliability.
Oh, and anything Sony is utter shite. Tossers.
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LCD every time. The old advantages of plasma are no more - blacks and screen size. The downsides of plasma are still there - weight, complexity, reliability.
Oh, and anything Sony is utter shite. Tossers.
That comment was predictable. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Been thinking about changing my tv as well. The only thing i would say is make sure you connect via HDMI lead. Saw three identical LCD tv's next to each other to demonstrate picture quality whilst on hol near Exeter. One had cable connection, one had scart lead and the third an HDMI lead. The HDMI was far sharper of the three. :y
Have been advised anything up to 40" screen size lcd is best, over 40" go for plasma. ( full 1080 hd of course )
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Been thinking about changing my tv as well. The only thing i would say is make sure you connect via HDMI lead. Saw three identical LCD tv's next to each other to demonstrate picture quality whilst on hol near Exeter. One had cable connection, one had scart lead and the third an HDMI lead. The HDMI was far sharper of the three. :y
Have been advised anything up to 40" screen size lcd is best, over 40" go for plasma. ( full 1080 hd of course )
The Gadget show a while back said similar. LCD upto 32" and Plasma over that.
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I am thankful to all your comments. Looking like LCD to me with appropriate HD source. Was surprised to hear that there is significant clarity improvement with HDMi leads.
I think I will also be going for the Freesat from BBC and ITV as they will be offering HD broadcasts free in the future.
I was tied to SKY for over a year, and since I stopped their subscriptions , I've hardly noticed. I still get more than enough channels free on their old set box. :-* :-* :-*
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Hi Dusty, I was suprised at the difference in picture quality as well. Just glad the shop had the common sense to put the three sets up as a demo. I had a good chat with the salesman in the shop as well, very knowlegeable and helpful. I have Virgin media xl package with V+ box. When it was installed 8 months ago the young lad who installed it noticed i had an old type tv and i told him i was going to upgrade to a lcd or plasma sometime so he gave me two HDMI leads for when i did. After going into the shop i am glad he did. :)
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i believe that plasma,s run out of gas after a certain amount of time ,but lcd doesnt. :-/
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I have yet to see an LCD set without significant pixel drag, which drives me crazy. But as someone has said already maybe they have moved on. But as it stands I would go for plasma :y
Ive got a cheap Goodmans LCD and believe me the picture is superb... :y
No doubt you get what you pay for but then i just TV and lets face it crap programmes are still crap regardless of the picture quality. ;D
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LCD every time. The old advantages of plasma are no more - blacks and screen size. The downsides of plasma are still there - weight, complexity, reliability.
Oh, and anything Sony is utter shite. Tossers.
So that leaves, of the models mentioned, a pioneer plasma! Exactly what i bought. Trouble with this debate is people will recommend what they have, because they believe they have got the best for them.
For me, the question is not of one or the other, it is, what gives YOU the best picture? End of!
During my search for the 'best' panel tv i was sure i wanted the pioneer. I had seen a Pany, bit poor. But apart from that i also wanted to be sure i was not missing anything, so i looked at as many as poss, nothing could beat the pioneer. It was just better than anything else. In numerous shops with all other makes present, various sources, from coax to scart to component to hdmi,div ex to standard def. to discovery Hd to blu ray disc. For me there was nothing else close. As an average the lcd s had an advantage over other cheaper plasma, maybe, but they still get very hot, you can still pick out the back light bulbs on most models. The pioneer was just better, it did not matter what format. So thats whats on my wall.
Since then about a year later, about 4 months ago now, a mate of a mate looked high and low on the net for the best spec. And chose a samsung 40 inch lcd! A grands worth. Wow i thought, this should be interesting. What a load of crap, a net curtain filter, stepped scanning, pixelation, and anything dark was black no grey shades at all, and that was in HD!And dont say the settings must be wrong, he had it calibrated, with much improvement im told. Wtf did he have before. It just could not process the info quick enough, when the picture stood still it would catch up, a bit like google earth with a crap connection. And this guy knows some his IT. I would rather have his old tube, still sat in the corner of the room.
Dont take anyones word for it, to much cash at stake, look for the best picture, and if does not say pioneer at the bottom of the screen i will be very suprised.
Price tho, now thats another question!
And so is content, not enough in my book, so dont rush your decission, your not missing a great deal of hd tv. Until 2010. And in the mean time you will be looking at a lot of standard def pictures, and THAT is the most important reason for getting the best picture panel tv. People come round and say wow is that hd tv,brilliant picture, and i say ,no, thats standard def,THIS is HD, and put bbc hd on.
Blows em away!
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
:y And with plasma you get true colours, and NO dead pixels.
Again, another myth, the failure rate for plasma pixels now is equal to or higher than that of LCD.....but then you would expect nothing less when you knwo the construction techniques.
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i believe that plasma,s run out of gas after a certain amount of time ,but lcd doesnt. :-/
It is an issue but, not nearly as bad as it used to be. Its not so much they run out of gas but that effectively the tubes go soft.
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Been thinking about changing my tv as well. The only thing i would say is make sure you connect via HDMI lead. Saw three identical LCD tv's next to each other to demonstrate picture quality whilst on hol near Exeter. One had cable connection, one had scart lead and the third an HDMI lead. The HDMI was far sharper of the three. :y
Have been advised anything up to 40" screen size lcd is best, over 40" go for plasma. ( full 1080 hd of course )
The Gadget show a while back said similar. LCD upto 32" and Plasma over that.
Lol, info that is 3 years out of date.
It used to be hard to fabricate a large LCD panel, this has long since been overcome.
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I am very picky and those are the two models which stuck out at me
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i believe that plasma,s run out of gas after a certain amount of time ,but lcd doesnt. :-/
another myth ;D
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
:y And with plasma you get true colours, and NO dead pixels.
Again, another myth, the failure rate for plasma pixels now is equal to or higher than that of LCD.....but then you would expect nothing less when you knwo the construction techniques.
No mything pixthelth there then? ;D ;D ;D
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
:y And with plasma you get true colours, and NO dead pixels.
Again, another myth, the failure rate for plasma pixels now is equal to or higher than that of LCD.....but then you would expect nothing less when you knwo the construction techniques.
No mything pixthelth there then? ;D ;D ;D
Tend not to get missing pixels on plasma, unless that tube leaks. As MDTM hinted at earlier, the tubes go soft in same way as CRT tube does.
Look at a 3yr old plasma now, and you can see it, and the 'pixels' go soft at different rates, which leads to some interesting effects!
The big advantage I can see with Plasma, is the glass screen (also a disadvantage) if you have unruly kids, or you're clumsey like Ljay, and likely to throw the Wii remote at it ;D
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I would say plasma ... i made my chose after seeing each of them side by side .... to me the plasma was sharper and clearer :y
:y And with plasma you get true colours, and NO dead pixels.
Again, another myth, the failure rate for plasma pixels now is equal to or higher than that of LCD.....but then you would expect nothing less when you knwo the construction techniques.
No mything pixthelth there then? ;D ;D ;D
Tend not to get missing pixels on plasma, unless that tube leaks. As MDTM hinted at earlier, the tubes go soft in same way as CRT tube does.
Look at a 3yr old plasma now, and you can see it, and the 'pixels' go soft at different rates, which leads to some interesting effects!
The big advantage I can see with Plasma, is the glass screen (also a disadvantage) if you have unruly kids, or you're clumsey like Ljay, and likely to throw the Wii remote at it ;D
yep, i darent have a party!
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Thanks everyone
I think overall on balance it will have to be an LCD. I want to spend less than a £1000 and I want it to be 40-50" any bigger won't fit in the room.
So which model in the LCD range can you recommend?
Thanks Dusty
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
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Thanks everyone
I think overall on balance it will have to be an LCD. I want to spend less than a £1000 and I want it to be 40-50" any bigger won't fit in the room.
So which model in the LCD range can you recommend?
Thanks Dusty
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try richer sounds
http://www.richersounds.com/productlist.php?cda=productlist&sgroup=PLASMA
http://www.richersounds.com/productlist.php?cda=productlist&sgroup=LCD2
worth going in store, htey can be haggled, and often have better deals in the shop, we got a fifty inch pioneer for 1100 in the end last year. :y
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
hmmm - you might have a good point there ;)
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
hmmm - you might have a good point there ;)
although i doubt i'd get one for £500 :(
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Price up a KDL40W4000 - well worth auditioning
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I have been lusting after the new Samsung series 6. It is about 800 for a 40". I don't have room though, can only fit a 37".
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Price up a KDL40W4000 - well worth auditioning
£827....I can wait....... :y
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Price up a KDL40W4000 - well worth auditioning
£827....I can wait....... :y
That's cheap - normally just over 1000
I have seen SVW and X all fed same source and S & V were not as good as W & X, and X is a lot more money
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
hmmm - you might have a good point there ;)
although i doubt i'd get one for £500 :(
No, but not a great deal extra to achieve what you want
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pl/2-1092542/TVs/Samsung-LE-40A558P3F-Compare-Prices
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
hmmm - you might have a good point there ;)
although i doubt i'd get one for £500 :(
No, but not a great deal extra to achieve what you want
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pl/2-1092542/TVs/Samsung-LE-40A558P3F-Compare-Prices
God - thats good for full HD :D......thinks that make you go hmmmmmm
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this is interesting - me and the missus nearly bought a 42" Samsung HD plasma the other day - £500
Now - I know its not FULL HD (1080), and I've heard a lot about "screen burn" on plasmas
but its £500!!!! with a free 5yr warranty!!!
and tbh would you notice the difference between Full HD and Hd ready?
Yes, you notice the difference as the contrast is not so good.
Its very hard to make true HD plasma sets at below 50inch and hence they are harder to find.
aaah okey doke - i'm always a bit wary of buying cutting edge tech - maybe i'll buy the £500 samsung and wait for full HD to come down in price in a few years - then stick the 42" in the "games room" :y
To be honest, you would be better placed getting a 40 inch true HD LCD........
hmmm - you might have a good point there ;)
although i doubt i'd get one for £500 :(
No, but not a great deal extra to achieve what you want
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pl/2-1092542/TVs/Samsung-LE-40A558P3F-Compare-Prices
I notice Beyond Television are on that list as one of the cheapest. Avoid them like the plague.